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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Chip,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Your issue about a "causal mechanism
which can tell a charged particle that another charge is in its vicinity"
evaporates once we fully grasp that a 'particle' is NOT the localised tiny
entity of our perceptions (and hence also instrument-based info, since
instruments are modeled on our perceptual awarenesses). The fact is - MUST
be, if particles are indeed electromagnetic constructs - that particles are
actually unlimited in their extent (as electromagnetic field effects are
also). So there is NO need for 'messenger particles' - every particle in
the universe is in reality enmeshed with every other, through their extended
electromagnetic fields. This is the message of gravity, it also fully
explains the 'curvature' of space-time in accordance with Wheeler's paraphrasing
of Einstein's observation on the subject (including causation). [It also
says a lot about quantum entanglement.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Chip, I'm aware that you were
somewhat disparaging of my math(s) in my paper on gravitation. However,
that paper goes further than any I have seen anywhere else in providing a causal
explanation of 'gravitational' interaction, in all its respects - including a
(admittedly very simple) mathematical rationale for that interaction. As a
lifetime mathematician, I have always taught my students that "the simplest
solutions are the best - as long as they work". This one works, without
venturing into any high-flown and 100% hypothetical equations or relationships;
I beg to suggest that a more complex mathematical treatise that rests on a high
degree of speculation is worth little compared with a simple analysis based on
known facts. 'Simple analysis' isn't in vogue these days, I'm all too
aware - but for me an ounce of fact is worth a ton of speculation. It must
surely be fact that, if material particles are in fact constructs of
electromagnetic energy, then the fields from those constructs must extend
without limit - just as gravitation is known to. Those fields will also
give a 'texture' to the whole of space that will determine the behaviour of
other such constructs - just as gravitation is known to. [Wheeler in a
nutshell.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Just sayin' ....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>[Once we get our heads around this
simple stuff, we can then maybe begin to grapple with the fact - in my view -
that spatial separation is actually a construct of consciousness, given to
us by the evolutionary process to enable us to live our physical lives more
effectively. As my picture poetry book on Quantum Physics puts it: "So are
we privileged to navigate, with instruments of time and space, the measureless
tracts of eternity".]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chipakins@gmail.com href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">Chip Akins</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">'Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 08, 2017 6:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Role of observer,
a deeper path to introspection</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Dear Albrecht<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Thank you for your thoughtful response.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>A few items occur to me while reading your
message.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Exchange particles are a difficult concept, especially if
space is empty. For if space is empty then there is no causal mechanism
which can tell a charged particle that another charge is in its
vicinity. Therefore how do they know to “exchange photons” if space is
completely empty? We know that a charged particle at rest is NOT
continually radiating photons. We could imagine that it is continually
radiating and absorbing photons to maintain its energy level, but then we
would be able to detect such radiation, and we do not detect any such
radiation from a charged particle at rest.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Another problem with “exchange particles”, specifically
photons as exchange particles for electric charge, is the phase continuity
problem. The idea, as I understand it, is that the frequency and phase of the
exchange photon determines whether it pushes or pulls on the affected
particle. But charge is constant and very predictable at any given distance,
while phase would change with distance. We simply do not see the kind of
behavior in electric charge we would see if it were mediated by photons. I
have tried to simulate how it is that photons could provide the force we sense
as electric charge, at any distance, without anomaly, and there just does not
seem to be any way that can work without invoking some magical and unseen,
anti-causal, mechanism.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>It is also quite interesting to me that you hold Lorentzian
relativity to be more correct than Special relativity, but reject the
foundation upon which Lorentz formulated his relativity. His concept, as
best I can determine from historical accounts, was that space was a medium,
and that the Pythagorean relationships he formulated were due to the fixed
speed of light and energy propagation in the medium. I also believe that
Lorentzian relativity is more accurate than Special relativity, but I believe
that it is more accurate due to a clear cause and effect, which is only
present if space is a medium.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Yes. Gravity is different than the other forces. And
it is a warping of the fabric of space as Einstein imagined with General
Relativity. The force of gravity is not generated by the gravitational
“field”, for the gravitational “field” is simply a gradient in space which
causes refraction of energy propagating through the gradient. The force we
feel from that refraction is actually created by the momentum of the energy
circulating within fermionic particles. So the force is related to the energy
content (mass) of the object which is in the refracting field. In this way,
the momentum of the energy circulating within the particle causes both
inertial mass and gravitational mass. So there is a causal mechanism, which
makes gravitational and inertial mass appear equivalent, in a specific
manner.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Albrecht, thank you for your thoughtful and intelligent
discussion. While we do not agree on certain aspects, the exchanges are
definitely quite helpful to me. I appreciate that.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>Chip<o:p></o:p></P>
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