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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Very well put, John - I totally
agree.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Both Albrecht and Wolf are addressing
important points - but they are quite different points.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>It's absolutely true that Albrecht
has the right of it within the context of the sort of stuff that this forum is
primarily about. But by the same token, Wolf is raising significant points,
points that just don't really happen to fit with the main substance of this
group 'discussion'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Wolf, I find your input fascinating,
many times I've wanted to exclain "Yes!" - but it tends too much to take us away
from the physical-realm based stuff that really needs to be pinned down if
physics is to progress at that level. The consciousness issue also needs
(very importantly) to be addressed - I believe our progress will be severely
limited until/unless we DO address it - but as quite a different topic.
(Maybe we need a separate discussion group...)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Thanks, John, for drawing that very
helpful distinction.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk
href="mailto:John.Williamson@glasgow.ac.uk">John Williamson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=martin.van.der.mark@philips.com
href="mailto:martin.van.der.mark@philips.com">Mark, Martin van der</A> ; <A
title=piet.delaney.2@gmail.com href="mailto:piet.delaney.2@gmail.com">Pete
Delaney</A> ; <A title=d.e.a.eggenschwiler@gmail.com
href="mailto:d.e.a.eggenschwiler@gmail.com">Darren Eggenschwiler</A> ; <A
title=innesdmorrison@gmail.com href="mailto:innesdmorrison@gmail.com">Innes
Morrison</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:47
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] STR twin
Paradox</DIV>
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Wolf and Albrecht.</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Times; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Please
forgive me if I am wrong, and you are both really communicating deeply, but I
do not think the two of you are really communicating at all on any meaningful
level.</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Times; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Times; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Albrecht,
you do not seem to get what Wolf is talking about at all, and keep trying to
draw him back to the limited grounds of SR, which is quite irrelevant to most
of what he is trying to say. On another forum his approach would be taken to
be the majority view.</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Times; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Times; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Wolf,
you should not be trying to go onto the grounds of the argument with SR as
this is not what you are about. You are going to lose on those grounds as SR
is perfectly self-consistent and does describe the physics of synchrotrons
perfectly. Albrecht is right: otherwise they would not work. This is not to
say that SR is in any way the whole story. It is not, as is being discussed in
some of the other threads.</SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Times; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This
whole back and forth has become a prime example of both of you making up what
you think the other is talking about and then arguing with that instead of
conducting a proper discussion with each other. You are both arguing,
effectively, with yourself. This is not necessarily a bad thing, of course, as
one or both of you may come to the realisation that you have something to
learn and that is always a good thing. It has become pretty tiring for an
outside observer though.</SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Times; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Regards,
John.</SPAN><SPAN style="COLOR: blue" lang=EN-US></SPAN></P>
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