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<p>Dear John W and Grahame,</p>
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<p>I think that I should explain a bit about this discussion between
Wolf and myself. Why this discussion is as it is.<br>
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<p>I find the topic of Wolf about conciousness very interesting and
very important. So I have continued with this discussion. But,
unfortunately in my view, Wolf is basing his thoughts on a wrong
understanding of relativity. The finds that this "incorrect"
theory 'SRT' is an indication of our human failure to understand
physics and so of our misleading consciousness. - But not SRT is
incorrect (as some of you have already and repeatedly written) but
Wolf's understanding is wrong. - I am trying to give Wolf a
correct understanding as a precondition for a successful
development of the issue of consciousness. I see that this may be
boring for those who have understood relativity. But what else can
we do to get ahead?</p>
<p>Any ideas?<br>
<br>
Albrecht<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 24.08.2017 um 11:35 schrieb Dr
Grahame Blackwell:<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Very well put,
John - I totally agree.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Both Albrecht and
Wolf are addressing important points - but they are quite
different points.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">It's absolutely
true that Albrecht has the right of it within the context of
the sort of stuff that this forum is primarily about. But by
the same token, Wolf is raising significant points, points
that just don't really happen to fit with the main substance
of this group 'discussion'.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Wolf, I find your
input fascinating, many times I've wanted to exclain "Yes!" -
but it tends too much to take us away from the physical-realm
based stuff that really needs to be pinned down if physics is
to progress at that level. The consciousness issue also needs
(very importantly) to be addressed - I believe our progress
will be severely limited until/unless we DO address it - but
as quite a different topic. (Maybe we need a separate
discussion group...)</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Thanks, John, for
drawing that very helpful distinction.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Grahame</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] STR
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mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Dear Wolf and Albrecht.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times;
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Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times;
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New
Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Please forgive me if I am wrong,
and you are both really communicating deeply, but I do not
think the two of you are really communicating at all on
any meaningful level.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times;
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New
Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times;
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New
Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Albrecht, you do not seem to get
what Wolf is talking about at all, and keep trying to draw
him back to the limited grounds of SR, which is quite
irrelevant to most of what he is trying to say. On another
forum his approach would be taken to be the majority view.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times;
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Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB"></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times;
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New
Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">Wolf, you should not be trying
to go onto the grounds of the argument with SR as this is
not what you are about. You are going to lose on those
grounds as SR is perfectly self-consistent and does
describe the physics of synchrotrons perfectly. Albrecht
is right: otherwise they would not work. This is not to
say that SR is in any way the whole story. It is not, as
is being discussed in some of the other threads.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Times;
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New
Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
mso-ansi-language: EN-GB">This whole back and forth has
become a prime example of both of you making up what you
think the other is talking about and then arguing with
that instead of conducting a proper discussion with each
other. You are both arguing, effectively, with yourself.
This is not necessarily a bad thing, of course, as one or
both of you may come to the realisation that you have
something to learn and that is always a good thing. It has
become pretty tiring for an outside observer though.</span></p>
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