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<p>Chip;</p>
<p>I read your paper and generally like your approach<br>
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for the force. This is a problem I have with Albrecht's
elementary particle model as well. He postulates force and gives
field stregth equations but the only macroscopic force in nature
are gravito-inertial and Electro-magnetic and both require
sourcesof mass and charge respectively. "P c" is twice the
kinetic energy of a particle traveling along the time axis and
is essentially mc<sup>2</sup> so "r" is the radius of curvature
of a time axis. "pc' is also "qA" where q is the charge and A
the Em vector potential . Is this force a kind of self field?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">nice but how does this become a 3D symmetric
presumably the pr is rotating around a kind of spin axis which is
not spherically symetric, or what am I missing?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Enough for now.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">very interesting relationships.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">thanks<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/1/2017 7:03 AM, Chip Akins wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Grahame<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have been jotting down some notes, into
something which may one day become a paper.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is still pretty crude but it might
provide some food for thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am coming to believe that neither gravity
nor relativity are near as strange as we have been led to
think.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That rambling set of notes is attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 01, 2017 8:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] [NEW] SRT twin Paradox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Hi
Chip,</span><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">When
I talk about 'dislodging Relativity' I'm referring to the
mind-set that all states of motion are purely relative and
there is no absolute state of motion/rest - that's exactly
what (Einsteinian) Relativity IS.</span><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">The
reason that I keep saying that Relativity is
mathematically self-consistent is precisely because people
(like you and Wolf) have for the past century tried to
show an inconsistency (aka a paradox) through variations
of the Twins 'Paradox' (not). My absolute main objective,
personally, is to get people - particularly scientists
responsible for leading the world's thinking on physical
reality - to realise that yes, Relativity as an
observational phenomenon is a reality - but NO, Relativity
in the sense of 'no absolute rest-state' (and so also no
absolute measures of motion-states) is NOT a reality, it
IS an 'observational phenomenon' in the sense that the
effects and measurements experienced are in no small part
down to the altered state of perception in a moving
observer. We are clearly both very much in agreement
about this!</span><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I
agree that NO experiment has ever proved that Einsteinian
Relativity actually holds - EVERY experimental result that
appears to do so can be fully explained in terms of
totally predictable observer effects. However, the reason
that I'm banging on about 'SR/GR is self-consistent' is
that we do ourselves a serious disservice by attempting to
show holes in that self-consistency when they don't
exist. By doing this we reinforce the notion (held by
mainsteam physicists) that those who don't agree with
Einsteinian SR/GR just don't really understand it. MY
position is "Yes, I DO understand very fully why and how
it's self-consistent - but it's still wrong!!!"</span><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">As
for 'curved space(time), don't get me started on that! I
agree that it's impossible for something that is in fact
nothing to be curved - but it goes much further than that:</span><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(1)
No-one has ever explained, in direct terms, what they mean
by 'spacetime is curved'; it's only ever 'explained' by
analogy, in terms of objects following 'contours' in
spacetime. What are those contours formed from, and why
would objects follow them - how do they influence object
behaviour?</span><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(2)
How is it that massive objects create those contours?
What is it about massive objects that gives rise to these
mystical contours??</span><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(3)
Not least: if the Higgs boson causes mass (a premise that
I do not subscribe to) then in what way does it give rise
to 'gravitational' effects? We're told that mass creates
space-time contours, we're told that the Higgs Field gives
objects mass - then what exactly is the connection between
the Higgs and gravitation, causally???</span><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">It
appears to me that mainstream physics hs thrown the
concept of causation out the window; it's about time that
they were called to account for that - called to account
for causation, in other words.</span><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">[By
the way, I'm interested in your notion of "logically
self-consistent". I'm not quite sure how that would pan
out or how it could be shown to be not so? Clearly the
Twins Paradox ain't gonna do it!]</span><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Regards,</span><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Grahame</span><span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
title="chipakins@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Chip
Akins</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">'Nature of Light and Particles
- General Discussion'</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Friday, September 01, 2017 12:08 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Re: [General] [NEW] SRT twin Paradox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Grahame<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My intent is not to dislodge relativity.
Relativity is a fact. But one part of SRT is not, the “all
motion is relative” part.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I find it interesting that in order to
“defend” SRT’s all motion is relative postulate, GR is
apparently always used. During the pre GR era, SRT was
interpreted to support the idea that space is not a medium
and that all motion is relative. Then with GR space has to
be curved. And it is hard to curve what does not exist.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You keep saying that “Relativity” is
mathematically self-consistent. And I agree. But nothing
in SRT proves that all motion is relative. It is just an
arbitrary addition to the theory. No experiment has proven
that all motion is relative. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">While SRT may be mathematically
self-consistent, SRT’s “all motion is relative” is not
logically self-consistent.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
General [<a
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 01, 2017 5:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion <<a
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] [NEW] SRT twin Paradox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Sorry
Chip, but you're not going to dislodge Relativity like
that.</span><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Under
Relativity circular motion is NOT absolute - I have most
definitely 'questioned that' in my last several emails.
The whole point of my recent missives is to make it
clear that Relativity allows a person undergoing
circular motion to consider themselves at rest - and
that view is as valid as any other, under Relativity.</span><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">That's
why GR then has to come into it. Because even whilst
considering themselves to be at rest, that person will
experience a force - and GR allows them to regard that
force as a gravitational effect (and considers that as
valid a view as any other).</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">The
whole point of GR was to extend 'relativity' to
non-inertial frames - so to claim that a non-inertial
frame is 'absolute' and then extent that to embrace SR
is a complete misunderstanding of Relativity.</span><span
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Re: [General] [NEW] SRT twin Paradox<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have discussed the “twin paradox”
and many have said that there is no paradox. But using SRT
alone this is not strictly true. The postulate that “all
motion is relative” is an arbitrary and so far
experimentally unsupported part of SRT. This postulate
alone causes a paradox.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But there is another way to consider
these issues<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have established that circular
motion is absolute, and no one has questioned that,
because we have experimentally been able to verify that is
the case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now let us take that circular motion
toward the limit, and continue to enlarge the radius of
that motion. Still, no matter how large the radius,
circular motion is absolute. At what point, at how large a
radius, would you say that the laws of motion change from
absolute to relative?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The fact is, the laws of motion do not
change from absolute to relative, even if the radius is so
large that we cannot measure the curvature. All motion is
not relative.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
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