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<p class="MsoNormal">Chip</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Energy pulling on space? <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">so you mean that the energy of a
photon has some mass by E/c<sup>2</sup> and thus like any other
mass produces a
curvature <br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">or perhaps a simpler way of saying it is that
mass collapses unless there is some EM counter force keeping it
apart</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with you contention that time is not
a fourth dimension except when we draw it on a piece of paper
and then a 1cm length corresponds to a time interval of</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1/3 x10<sup>-10</sup> sec. - there is some
relationship between our way of displaying time that makes us
think we are moving through it</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">wolf<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/22/2017 5:59 AM, Chip Akins wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wolf<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for reading the paper.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Your first question, “Is there a mechanism
for the force…<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
</span>Is this force a kind of self-field?”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The source of the force, the mechanism of
confinement, is simply energy which pulls on space to displace
space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The force is created by energy pulling on
space toward the center of the photon. In this way a more
energetic particle becomes a smaller particle because energy
can pull on space more, and therefore confine itself more.
This is part of the reason E=hv for a photon.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Note: The radius, is a radius in Euclidian
3 dimensional space. I do not believe there is a “time axis”
in space. Time is separate from space. Fundamental time is
the serial development of cause and effect, not a 4<sup>th</sup>
dimension.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The spherical symmetry of the electron is
due to (at least) two perpendicular spin components. The
illustration of electron spin in the paper is probably too
simplified, but I am having a hard time figuring out how to
represents this spin graphically.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wolfgang Baer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 22, 2017 12:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Relativity and Gravity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Chip;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I read your paper and generally like your approach<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Light
propagates forward through space at <i>c,</i> and matter is
made of confined “light-speed” energy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So
there is lots of discussion about the size of a photon. MOst
people would say the size of a photon is determined by the
boundary conditions <br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your
claiming and effective radius in flight? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><img
id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part1.F9333677.FDA2F2B9@nascentinc.com" class=""
height="38" width="72"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">and
a force holding it together?<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><img
id="_x0000_i1026"
src="cid:part2.7A94CD0F.B5C0D1F4@nascentinc.com" class=""
height="35" width="114"><br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is
there a mechanism for the force. This is a problem I have
with Albrecht's elementary particle model as well. He
postulates force and gives field stregth equations but the
only macroscopic force in nature are gravito-inertial and
Electro-magnetic and both require sourcesof mass and charge
respectively. "P c" is twice the kinetic energy of a
particle traveling along the time axis and is essentially mc<sup>2</sup>
so "r" is the radius of curvature of a time axis. "pc' is
also "qA" where q is the charge and A the Em vector
potential . Is this force a kind of self field?<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">'"space
is comprised of two components." What would these
components be? I usually think there is a medium of charge
and mass in a background space of in equilibrium that is
perturbed by light and when confined in vertices make
particles .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="line-height:106%"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"Confined
momentum creates the inertial mass property of the electron"</span> <span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="_x0000_i1027"
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height="34" width="223"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">nice but how does this become a 3D
symmetric presumably the pr is rotating around a kind of spin
axis which is not spherically symetric, or what am I missing?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Enough for now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">very interesting relationships.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Wolf<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal">On 9/1/2017
7:03 AM, Chip Akins wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Grahame<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have been jotting down some notes, into
something which may one day become a paper.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is still pretty crude but it might
provide some food for thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am coming to believe that neither
gravity nor relativity are near as strange as we have been
led to think.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That rambling set of notes is attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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General [<a
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 01, 2017 8:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion <a
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] [NEW] SRT twin Paradox</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Hi
Chip,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">When
I talk about 'dislodging Relativity' I'm referring to
the mind-set that all states of motion are purely
relative and there is no absolute state of motion/rest -
that's exactly what (Einsteinian) Relativity IS.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">The
reason that I keep saying that Relativity is
mathematically self-consistent is precisely because
people (like you and Wolf) have for the past century
tried to show an inconsistency (aka a paradox) through
variations of the Twins 'Paradox' (not). My absolute
main objective, personally, is to get people -
particularly scientists responsible for leading the
world's thinking on physical reality - to realise that
yes, Relativity as an observational phenomenon is a
reality - but NO, Relativity in the sense of 'no
absolute rest-state' (and so also no absolute measures
of motion-states) is NOT a reality, it IS an
'observational phenomenon' in the sense that the effects
and measurements experienced are in no small part down
to the altered state of perception in a moving
observer. We are clearly both very much in agreement
about this!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I
agree that NO experiment has ever proved that
Einsteinian Relativity actually holds - EVERY
experimental result that appears to do so can be fully
explained in terms of totally predictable observer
effects. However, the reason that I'm banging on about
'SR/GR is self-consistent' is that we do ourselves a
serious disservice by attempting to show holes in that
self-consistency when they don't exist. By doing this
we reinforce the notion (held by mainsteam
physicists) that those who don't agree with Einsteinian
SR/GR just don't really understand it. MY position is
"Yes, I DO understand very fully why and how it's
self-consistent - but it's still wrong!!!"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">As
for 'curved space(time), don't get me started on that!
I agree that it's impossible for something that is in
fact nothing to be curved - but it goes much further
than that:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(1)
No-one has ever explained, in direct terms, what they
mean by 'spacetime is curved'; it's only ever
'explained' by analogy, in terms of objects following
'contours' in spacetime. What are those contours formed
from, and why would objects follow them - how do they
influence object behaviour?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(2)
How is it that massive objects create those contours?
What is it about massive objects that gives rise to
these mystical contours??</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">(3)
Not least: if the Higgs boson causes mass (a premise
that I do not subscribe to) then in what way does it
give rise to 'gravitational' effects? We're told that
mass creates space-time contours, we're told that the
Higgs Field gives objects mass - then what exactly is
the connection between the Higgs and gravitation,
causally???</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">It
appears to me that mainstream physics hs thrown the
concept of causation out the window; it's about time
that they were called to account for that - called to
account for causation, in other words.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">[By
the way, I'm interested in your notion of "logically
self-consistent". I'm not quite sure how that would pan
out or how it could be shown to be not so? Clearly the
Twins Paradox ain't gonna do it!]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span
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<a href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
title="chipakins@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Chip
Akins</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">'Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion'</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Sent:</span></b><span
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Friday, September 01, 2017 12:08 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Subject:</span></b><span
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Re: [General] [NEW] SRT twin Paradox</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Grahame<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My intent is not to dislodge
relativity. Relativity is a fact. But one part of SRT is
not, the “all motion is relative” part.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I find it interesting that in order to
“defend” SRT’s all motion is relative postulate, GR is
apparently always used. During the pre GR era, SRT was
interpreted to support the idea that space is not a medium
and that all motion is relative. Then with GR space has to
be curved. And it is hard to curve what does not exist.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You keep saying that “Relativity” is
mathematically self-consistent. And I agree. But nothing
in SRT proves that all motion is relative. It is just an
arbitrary addition to the theory. No experiment has
proven that all motion is relative. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">While SRT may be mathematically
self-consistent, SRT’s “all motion is relative” is not
logically self-consistent.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
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General [<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 01, 2017 5:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] [NEW] SRT twin Paradox</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Sorry
Chip, but you're not going to dislodge Relativity like
that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Under
Relativity circular motion is NOT absolute - I have
most definitely 'questioned that' in my last several
emails. The whole point of my recent missives is to
make it clear that Relativity allows a person
undergoing circular motion to consider themselves at
rest - and that view is as valid as any other, under
Relativity.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">That's
why GR then has to come into it. Because even whilst
considering themselves to be at rest, that person will
experience a force - and GR allows them to regard that
force as a gravitational effect (and considers that as
valid a view as any other).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:106%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">The
whole point of GR was to extend 'relativity' to
non-inertial frames - so to claim that a non-inertial
frame is 'absolute' and then extent that to embrace SR
is a complete misunderstanding of Relativity.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Re: [General] [NEW] SRT twin Paradox</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have discussed the “twin paradox”
and many have said that there is no paradox. But using
SRT alone this is not strictly true. The postulate that
“all motion is relative” is an arbitrary and so far
experimentally unsupported part of SRT. This postulate
alone causes a paradox.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But there is another way to consider
these issues<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We have established that circular
motion is absolute, and no one has questioned that,
because we have experimentally been able to verify that
is the case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now let us take that circular motion
toward the limit, and continue to enlarge the radius of
that motion. Still, no matter how large the radius,
circular motion is absolute. At what point, at how large
a radius, would you say that the laws of motion change
from absolute to relative?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The fact is, the laws of motion do
not change from absolute to relative, even if the radius
is so large that we cannot measure the curvature. All
motion is not relative.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
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