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<p>Dear Martin:</p>
<p>I've been reading your Kinematical theory and have made some
comments that I think have been forwarded to you. It is always
difficult to learn someone else's idea and apeals to greoup theory
always give me trouble. However the charge mass =separation idea
is of great interest to me.</p>
<p>Would your Kinematical theory be able to address the Bohr atom
Synchotron situation when we assume mass and charge are connected
by some force that to first approximation can be modeled by a
spring. <br>
</p>
<p><img src="cid:part1.70D907DE.F368AB77@nascentinc.com" alt=""></p>
<p>In the diagram above squares are masses pulled away from their
charges by inertial forces which depending on ones choice of
spring constants absorbs energy in the displacements and modifies
the orbit. Can this problem be solved with your theory? Would
there be a modification of the hydrogen energy levels and if so
would they duplicate the fine structure and require the fine
structure constant of Sommerfeld?</p>
<p>Many versions of this problem are of interest including equal
charge mass particles orbiting about each other.<br>
</p>
<p>Best wishes<br>
</p>
<p>Wolf<br>
</p>
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lang="EN-US">Dear Richard and all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Concerning the idea of an elementary particle
with two separate centers, the center of mass and the center
of charge, I suggest the reading of the Preamble of my
lecture notes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"><a
href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299636714_Kinematical_Theory_of_Elementary_Spinning_Particles_Lecture_Notes"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299636714_Kinematical_Theory_of_Elementary_Spinning_Particles_Lecture_Notes</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">where we give different kinds of arguments
leading to this possibility. It is important for this
possibility the spin dynamical analysis of a particle with
two centers. The main conclusion is that a particle with two
centers, the center of charge has to be moving at the speed
of light and therefore the angular momentum is not
quantized. It just has to have a unique value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Best regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">University of the Basque Country<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">Bilbao, Spain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Richard Gauthier [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> jueves, 21 de septiembre de 2017 5:17<br>
<b>Para:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
Discussion<br>
<b>CC:</b> Andrew Meulenberg; Jean-Luc Paillet; David
Hestenes; Martin Rivas<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [General] A composite electron?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Andrew and all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I communicated with David Hestenes
three years ago about his zitter electron model, and about
the fact that his helical zitter electron model (with
helical radius hbar/2mc = Lcompton/4pi gives only a half
Bohr Magneton in the classical calculation of magnetic
moment. He replied:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"You have given the standard classical
calculation, which is off by a factor of 2. But note that
classical physics assumes a constant charge to mass ratio.
The zitter model requires separation of the center of charge
from the center of mass, as discussed, for example, by
Rivas <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.3253"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.3253</a> "<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have also communicated with Martin
Rivas about his separation-of-mass-and-charge electron
model. I am copying this e-mail to both of them. Their
comments are welcome.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Richard<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Andrew
Meulenberg <<a href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mules333@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Dear
Richard and Albrecht,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Richard
has expressed doubts about Albrecht's 2-body
electron and Albrecht probably has reservations
about Richard's charged photons.<br>
<br>
I just read a paper ("The dynamical equation of
the spinning electron," J. Phys. A, 36, 4703,
(2003), and also LANL ArXiv:physis/0112005,
along.with some background papers) that Richard
has referenced in his: The Dirac Equation and the
Superluminal Electron Model (<a
href="https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research#papers"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research#papers</a>).
I found a concept with which I was previously
unfamiliar: the centers of mass and charge being
different. If this interesting concept is valid;
then it might be possible that the two centers are
the 'objects' that Albrecht has proposed for his
composite electron. It might also apply to the
charged photon.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Has
anyone any comments on this concept (or n the author
of the paper: Martin Rivas)?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Andrew M<o:p></o:p></p>
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