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<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Chip an' All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>A few 'assumptions' in your response
below, Chip, that I would regard as verging on dogma rather than
science.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>It's my understanding that a photon
is a packet (quantum) of time-varying waveform electromagnetic energy.
Period. By that definition there's absolutely nothing stopping such a
quantum 'chasing its own tail' (or more properly, self-interfering so as to hold
a circular path, once so constrained); there's nothing stopping such a localised
manifestation of such energy exhibiting the quality of 'charge' as an artefact
of its electric and magnetic fields (note that 'charge' is simply an effect,
it's not any more defined than that - and that effect MUST travel with the TEM
wave, including conforming with interference effects (since interference is de
facto for electrons), so it MUST (IMO) be an artefact OF that wave); if we say
that a photon does not EXHIBIT charge effects, rather than 'POSSESSING charge'
(whatever that may mean), I'd say no, in its rectilinear form it doesn't - but
we're discussing a different topology of the same EM quantum; likewise a
rectilinear EM quantum doesn't exhibit 1/2 hbar spin - but consider a rock
travelling in a straight line then that same rock being whirled around in a
circle on the end of a rope...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT color=#000080 face=Arial>As for "a photon does not have
the capacity to be fully confined in three dimensions" - how do you know
that??? This is a statement of belief, not of science. [Eddington
famously said of Chandrasekhar's findings: "I cannot believe that a star would
behave in such a manner" - and so held back advances on our understanding of
black holes for decades.]</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Ok, semantics - but don't let's allow
semantics to limit our open-mindedness with regard to truly scientific
possibilities.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Best regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=chipakins@gmail.com href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">Chip Akins</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">'Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 16, 2017 12:54
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Interference of
Photons</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Hi Grahame<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Yes. Perhaps semantics is
getting in the way regarding a photon within an
electron.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">It seems that the correct half
of what makes a photon would possess a single polarity of electric
charge. That is a portion of my objection to using the term photon for
this form of energy. A photon does not possess a single polarity of
charge. But a photon does not have the capacity to be fully confined in
three dimensions and exhibit ½ hbar spin either.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">So to me, so much has to be
different from the properties of a photon, that calling this propagating
energy within the electron a photon is not really an accurate or clear
description. But if one want to imagine that a photon can have charge,
and a photon can be fully confined (not travel in a straight line at c), and
can possess ½ hbar spin, then they could still call this thing a photon.
Just doesn’t seem correct to me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Chip<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> General
[mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Dr Grahame Blackwell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 16,
2017 6:37 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
<general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[General] Interference of Photons<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Chip
& all,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Having
written of an electron as being a cyclic-photon construct, I have to agree
with Chip that there are compelling reasons why a linear photon could not by
itself form an electron. My concept of a 'cyclic photon' is that of an
electromagnetic waveform like a linear photon, but constrained by its own
electromagnetic field interactions to travel in a cyclic path rather than
linearly. In my parlance this doesn't make it 'not a photon' - it
depends on whether one's definition of a photon is necessarily something that
travels in a straight line or whether one regards it simply as a packet of
electromagnetic energy in the form of a self-propagating time-varying
electromagnetic field effect: the latter is my understanding of the
term.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So
whilst I don't totally agree with Chip's view that there isn't a photon
circulating in (or rather AS) an electron, this is due to our differing views
on what constitutes a photon - it appears that we're agreed on what
constitutes an electron. I'm also fully in agreement with Chip (and all
experimental evidence that I know of) that two half-photons (of requisite
energy) can form an electron.</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Best
regards,</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Grahame</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=chipakins@gmail.com href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">Chip Akins</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">'Nature of Light
and Particles - General Discussion'</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Monday, October
16, 2017 12:20 PM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Re: [General]
Interference of Photons<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Hi John M and
Vivian<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">First, <B>Vivian</B>. I am and
exception apparently, for I do not believe there is a photon circulating
inside an electron. To me the evidence indicates that a whole photon cannot
become an electron. The whole photon does not possess the properties it
takes to be confined to become and electron. Two half photons could
become an electron.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="COLOR: black">John M</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="COLOR: black">. One thing I wanted to mention is related to
your comment…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">“My model obtains the exact
force between two particles at any separation if they had Planck charge
rather than charge <I>e.</I>”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">This is because the model of
space as a two component tension medium suggested, obtains the exact force
between two particles at any separation, and this is precisely the
force of the elementary charge.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">So I will take a look at the
gravitational force between two electrons using this model and get back to
you.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Chip<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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