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    <p>At the risk of both repeating and sounding crazy</p>
    <p>I've been developing a theory of physics that includes subjective
      experiences and identifies a background space with every observer
      <br>
    </p>
    <p>It would then seem that the speed of light is constant for every
      observer because it is tied to the material which generates the
      space of that observer. If we look at the relationship between
      observer and the reference frame and realize the reference frame
      defines the space for that observer Einstein's constant becomes
      the speed of each observers "Now" <br>
    </p>
    <p>I have a paper for the Vigier conference tat explores this
      possibility which I will send if interest exists</p>
    <p>Wolf<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2017 12:37 PM, André Michaud
      wrote:<br>
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                      style="font-family:"Times New
                      Roman","serif"">Hi Chip,</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
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                      style="font-family:"Times New
                      Roman","serif"">I indeed see what
                      you mean.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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                    style="line-height:115%"><span
                      style="font-family:"Times New
                      Roman","serif"">Since the constant
                      velocity of light is established in such certain
                      terms as an absolute velocity, what actually came
                      to my mind was the idea of possibly establishing
                      the asymptotic speed of light itself as the
                      absolute reference with respect to which all
                      motion could be measured.</span></span></span></span></span><br>
            <br>
            I'll have a look at Albrecht's work.</span></p>
        <br>
        André
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          <i>On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:25:40 -0500, "Chip Akins" <chipakins@gmail.com>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi Andre (and
                Albrecht) and All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I think that
                if Einstein’s statement “<i>light is propagated in empty
                  space with a velocity c which is independent of the
                  motion of the source</i>” is true, then the only
                reference which makes any sense is the frame of space
                itself. It is implicit within the statement that the
                reference frame for this velocity is space itself.
                Lorentz argued that there must be a fixed frame of space
                for these same reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">What we
                observe is exactly compatible with this concept, that
                there is a fixed frame of space, and that we are not
                able to measure our motion relative to that fixed frame
                because matter is made of confined propagating energy
                which moves at the same velocity as light. Then, in a
                Euclidian three dimensional space, we would experience
                the exact transformations Lorentz suggested are
                required. As a result we would always measure the speed
                of light to be the same speed. In this causal form of
                relativity there is no room for the supposition that all
                motion is relative. For motion is, in such a situation,
                relative to the frame of space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The impulse
                which is momentum (a specific force for a finite time)
                is quite compatible, it seems, with your concept of the
                importance of kinetic energy in the behavior of
                propagating disturbances which make up all particles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">One reason I
                am interested in the kinetic energy analysis is because
                it would be nice to better understand the subject of
                momentum as it refers to the propagation of energy
                through space. I think it would be helpful if we
                understood the mechanisms which create this momentum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Albrecht has
                done some work in this area, using a novel approach
                which evaluates the behavior of “extended bodies” in
                space, which is also very interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                    André Michaud [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org">mailto:srp2@srpinc.org</a>]<br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 03, 2017 11:23 AM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">chipakins@gmail.com</a>;
                    <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org">srp2@srpinc.org</a><br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: [General] Relativity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p
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                  style="color:black">Hi Chip,</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span
                  style="color:black">I have been thinking about what
                  you wrote here:</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span
                  style="color:black">"Einstein stated that “<i>light is
                    propagated in empty space with a velocity c which is
                    independent of the motion of the source</i>”, which
                  is an incomplete statement, logically inconsistent,
                  because <b>the<i> velocity c in empty space </i>has
                    no meaning, unless we use the fixed frame of space,
                    or some other reference, as the logical reference
                    for that velocity.</b> A velocity simply must be
                  stated in reference to something."</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span
                  style="color:black">My own view on this hinges on the
                  kinetic energy viewpoint that you seem to have taken
                  an interest in.</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span
                  style="color:black">On page 14 of my paper on the de
                  Broglie photon hypothesis, you will find my take on
                  this issue, which relates the "<b>some other logical
                    reference</b>" that you mention, to the physical
                  presence of momentum related translational kinetic
                  energy:</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span
                  style="color:black">"Now this brings up the old issue
                  of what this </span><span style="color:black"
                  lang="EN-CA">"</span><span style="color:black">equilibrium</span><span
                  style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">" </span><span
                  style="color:black">constant velocity of photons in
                  vacuum (free moving kinetic energy) is relative to in
                  reality. Is it relative to the medium? To the point of
                  emission? To the point of absorption? To the observer?
                  To this or that reference frame, or multiple reference
                  frames, inertial, non inertial, Galilean, moving or
                  not, etc.?</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span
                  style="color:black">A deeply ingrained habit has
                  developed since the beginning of the 20th century to
                  hypothesize various reference frames in attempts to
                  make sense of the experimentally observed data. But in
                  physical reality, velocity depends on only one
                  criterion: the actual presence of translational
                  kinetic energy. If translational kinetic energy is
                  present and if the local electromagnetic equilibrium
                  allows it, there will be velocity in vacuum, relative
                  to there being absence of translational kinetic
                  energy, irrespective of any hypothesized reference
                  frame or frames. </span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><u><span
                    style="color:black">The absolute lower velocity
                    limit</span></u><span style="color:black">, as seen
                  from this perspective, would be an electron possessing
                  zero translational kinetic energy in excess the energy
                  making up its rest mass. Of course, such an electron
                  totally deprived of translational kinetic energy can
                  only be theoretical, because all massive particles are
                  subject to gravitational or electrostatic acceleration
                  in physical reality from the moment they start
                  existing. </span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><u><span
                    style="color:black">The absolute upper velocity
                    limit</span></u><span style="color:black"> involving
                  electromagnetic oscillation is reached when an amount
                  of translational (aka unidirectional) kinetic energy
                  propels <b><u>an equal amount</u></b> of kinetic
                  energy captive in transverse electromagnetic
                  oscillation, that is, a free moving photon for
                  example, as described in this paper. </span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><u><span
                    style="color:black">The only other possible case</span></u><span
                  style="color:black"> between these two limits
                  involving electromagnetic oscillation, applies to an
                  amount of kinetic energy captive in transverse
                  electromagnetic oscillation being propelled by <b><u>a
                      lesser amount</u></b> of translational kinetic
                  energy, such as the kinetic energy making up the rest
                  mass of an electron, plus the transversely oscillating
                  half of its carrier-photon's kinetic energy, both
                  quantities being propelled by the unidirectional half
                  of the carrier-photon's quantum of kinetic energy. The
                  velocity of such a system will mandatorily lie between
                  zero and asymptotically close to the speed of light."</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span
                  style="color:black">This is the one logical possible
                  other reference that I have identified.</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span
                  style="color:black">Best Regards</span><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">---
                  André Michaud<br>
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                <span
                  style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><i>On
                    Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45 -0700, Richard Gauthier
                    wrote:</i><br>
                  <br>
                  Forwarded from Chip <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Begin
                        forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">From:
                        </span></b><span
                        style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">"Chip
                        Akins" <</span><a
                        href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">chipakins@gmail.com</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">></span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:
                          [General] Relativity</span></b><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Date:
                        </span></b><span
                        style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">October
                        31, 2017 at 6:46:19 AM PDT</span><span
                        style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                          style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">To:
                        </span></b><span
                        style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">"'Nature
                        of Light and Particles - General Discussion'"
                        <</span><a
                        href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                          style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">></span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Hi Grahame (and Andre)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">A while back, we briefly
                          discussed the idea that SR is not “logically
                          self-consistent” even though many conclude
                          that it is mathematically self-consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Regarding logical
                          self-consistent issues…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">In order to address this
                          point I think we would need to take a look at
                          the “landscape” as it relates to “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">While doing this, if we
                          look at causes, which is to say that we use
                          the concept of cause-and-effect as our guiding
                          principle, as you have properly stressed, we
                          can come to logical conclusions which simply
                          do not agree with SR in all details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">So we can take a look at
                          many of the known conditions to guide the
                          development of a composite view of the causes
                          for “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Sound waves travel through
                          a medium. Sound waves exhibit the Doppler
                          Effect simply because they travel at a “fixed”
                          speed through a “homogeneous” medium,
                          regardless of the velocity of the object
                          emitting the waves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Light also exhibits the
                          Doppler Effect in space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">So there is an indication
                          that some similarities may exist between the
                          causes of the Doppler Effect in sound and in
                          light.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Einstein stated that “<i>light
                            is propagated in empty space with a velocity
                            c which is independent of the motion of the
                            source</i>”, which is an incomplete
                          statement, logically inconsistent, because the<i>velocity
                            c in empty space</i>has no meaning, unless
                          we use the fixed frame of space, or some other
                          reference, as the logical reference for that
                          velocity. A velocity simply must be stated in
                          reference to something.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Einstein also stated that,
                          “<i>Absolute uniform motion cannot be detected
                            by any means.</i>” Which is indicated by
                          experiment as well. So no problem here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">And he then followed with
                          the assertion that “<i>This is to say that the
                            concept of absolute rest and the ether have
                            no meaning.</i>” (<i>Paraphrased</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">This second conclusion is<i>not</i>fully
                          logically supported by the evidence presented,
                          and is logically inconsistent with the
                          assertion that “<i>light is propagated in
                            empty space with a velocity c which is
                            independent of the motion of the source</i>”.
                          There are alternate interpretations of this
                          evidence which are more causal and logical
                          than this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">First, our inability to
                          measure something does not necessarily make it
                          meaningless. There are a myriad examples we
                          can give of things which we cannot directly
                          measure, but we have come to accept, because
                          of indirect evidence which stipulates their
                          existence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">We can however, from the
                          evidence, reconstruct a set of conditions,
                          which is causal, and yields results which
                          match observation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">For example, if light is
                          made of “stuff” that propagates through a
                          fixed frame of space at c, and if matter is
                          made of confined versions of the same “stuff”
                          also propagating (in confinement) at c in a
                          fixed frame of space, then we would have
                          exactly this set of circumstances. We would
                          not be able to detect our motion through space
                          by using an apparatus like the
                          Michelson-Morley experiment. Note: This
                          approach does not relegate as meaningless
                          anything which may in fact be quite important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">But if “<i>the concept of
                            absolute rest and the ether have no
                            meaning.”</i>Then how do we explain<i>“light
                            is propagated in empty space with a velocity
                            c which is independent of the motion of the
                            source”</i>and the resultant Doppler Effect
                          when a moving object emits light?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">While I am fully aware of
                          the explanation that EM radiation is
                          represented by vector “fields”, and that they
                          somehow could propagate through an empty space
                          at a fixed velocity justified only by the
                          math. That is a less satisfactory answer
                          logically because it does not present<i>physical</i>cause.
                          This consideration, and the Doppler Effect,
                          coupled with the underlying physical cause
                          mentioned above, for us not being able to
                          detect our own motion through space, yields
                          two logically consistent reasons for looking
                          at space as a sort of medium, with a “fixed”
                          frame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Lorentz transformations
                          are a natural result of the situation
                          mentioned above regarding the constitution of
                          light a matter. These transformations are
                          required under the circumstances where light
                          and matter are made of the same “stuff” and
                          that stuff moves at the fixed speed c in a
                          fixed frame of space. This all occurs in a 3
                          dimensional Euclidian space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">So there is a more
                          logically consistent, causal view, than the
                          one proposed by SR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">When we run the math
                          describing the situation where space is a
                          medium in which the propagation of
                          disturbances is a fixed velocity, and light
                          and matter are made of these disturbances, we
                          obtain the set of Lorentz transformations, and
                          cause for “relativity” is shown, precisely and
                          clearly. This is a logically consistent basis,
                          and one which shows cause. In contrast to SR,
                          which is a different interpretation of the
                          same starting information, but does not show
                          cause, and does not appear to be as logically
                          consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Are there ways to present
                          this and related information which better
                          illustrates the case from a logical basis?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
                          style="color:black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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