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<p>Thank you Andre and Graham:</p>
<p>Great to have the articles</p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">I fully agree with your
statement "Each of us thus internally builds a
personal, thus subjective, model of what is occurring in
physical reality as the "present moment" progresses,
which "present moment" is the only moment that we can be
aware of."</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">The next question to ask is "
if the world in front of our nose can be anything other
than our experience of the subjective model?"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">I tend to think it is because
we can only experience the result and subsequent
explanation of our sensor interactions so we are always
living in our own model of reality not reality itself.
This would mean the empty space experience is tied to
the background material of our own mental display.
Then I'll go one step further and state all material has
an experiential aspect and "an extension of material is
experienced as an expanse of space". <br>
</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">I'll send a paper that
addresses the possibility that every material is
associated with some primitive feeling of space and
Einstein did not acknowledge this omnipresent background
when he envisioned his thought experiments. Please
ignore the first part of this paper which points out a
flaw in the Special Relativity argument. I was told I
did not understand SR , which may be true , but its the
omnipresent personal space and the speed of "Now" I want
to emphasize.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">Out for 2 wks in Mexico</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">best wishes</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">Wolf</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%"><br>
</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/6/2017 6:48 AM, André Michaud
wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">Hi Grahame,</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">You write "</span></span><i>
</i><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height:115%">At any given instant in
time a snapshot of the physical state of the
universe is given by the totality of the leading
edges (or wavefronts) of the electromagnetic
energy flows that make up all the particles and
free energies in the universe at that time</span></span></i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">I must say that I also drew
converging conclusions with regard to time, and so
did a group of European researchers.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">You might be interested in
an article published last year by Amrit Sorli et al.
analyzing what Einstein called the "NOW" moment,
title "Cosmology of Einstein's NOW":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%"><a
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf"
style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">My personal conclusion is
only slightly different from yours, as I would
formulate this idea as:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%"> "</span></span><i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height:115%"> At any given instant in
time each of us records in his neocortex what his
senses let him perceive of the physical state of
the universe given by the totality of the leading
edges (or wavefronts) of the electromagnetic
energy flows that make up all the particles and
free energies in the universe at that instant of
time</span></span></i><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">Each of us thus internally
builds a personal, thus subjective, model of what is
occurring in physical reality as the "present
moment" progresses, which "present moment" is the
only moment that we can be aware of.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%">My own conclusions in this
regard can be found in Section "8. The Time
Dimension" of this article, titled "</span></span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height:115%">On the Birth of the
Universe and the Time Dimension in the 3-Spaces
Model</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%">":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%"><a
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf"
style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Best
Regards</span></span></span><br>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Wolf [et al.],</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">I have no doubt
that time is a subjective experience of consciousness - that,
as you say, the speed of light is in fact the speed at which
consciousness moves through 'instants' of reality, i.e. as you
put it: "<font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">Einstein's
constant becomes <font size="2" face="Arial"
color="#000080">[IS, in fact]</font>the speed of each
observer's "Now".</font>"</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">I first presented
this view myself 10 years ago in an article in published the
journal of the Scientific & Medical Network [Network
Review, Issue 95, Dec 2007], in the following words:</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">"</font></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><b><u><span
style="COLOR: #333399">The Role of Consciousness in
Time Perception</span></u></b></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="COLOR: #333399">At any given instant in time a
snapshot of the physical state of the universe is given
by the totality of the leading edges (or wavefronts) of
the electromagnetic energy flows that make up all the
particles and free energies in the universe at that
time. (In passing it's worth noting that this may have a
bearing on Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, since the
'position' of a fundamental sub-atomic particle will at
that instant be reduced to a single point in the cyclic
path of the energy flow forming that particle – which
will vary in position and direction at different points
in that cycle.)</span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="COLOR: #333399">As time progresses successive
snapshots will be given by corresponding advances in
each of those energy flows. From the point of view of an
eternal observer, unhampered by the temporal limitation
of observing only one instant at a time, each of those
energy flows will form a continuous thread weaving its
way through space as it also progresses through what we
call 'time'.</span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="COLOR: #333399">Almost certainly our perception
of three-dimensional space is a consciousness-mapping of
some deeper reality, but since we're built to think in
these terms it makes sense to visualise that succession
of snapshots by some spatial analogy. A common model is
to think of a succession of frames from a cine film or
video recording, but this tends to lose the continuity
of those energy flows. Perhaps a better model is that of
a four-dimensional spherical crystal, growing outwards
from the centre as time progresses (though of course
from the eternal perspective that crystal simply <b><i>is</i></b>).</span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="COLOR: #333399">Each instant in time is then an
infinitely thin three-dimensional layer of that
hypersphere, like the layers of an onion. The strands of
light-energy snake outwards from the Source at the
centre, weaving their intricate patterns of successive
instants of reality in synchronisation with one another
as they shape our ongoing cosmic destiny. Consciousness,
flowing outward from the Source at the speed of light,
experiences successive layers of this amazing
hypersphere of light as instants of being, each perfect
in its own way.</span></font></font></p>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">"</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">[If others think
this crazy (as they may), I invite them to consider
observations by Planck and <span class="st">Schrödinger</span>
on consciousness, which they both considered to bethe
fundamental driving force of the universe.]</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">I'd agree also
that "<font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">the
speed of light is constant for every observer because it is
tied to the material which generates the space of that
observer</font>" [and, of course, that observer themself].
This is totally consistent with the logical observation that
the 'time-experience' of that observer will itself be affected
by those energy flows and the rate at which they pass
through/around the observer (and any instruments they may use)
- and so the time-experience of any observer/instrument will
be tied to its state of motion ("reference frame") exactly in
accordance with the findings of SR.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">I.e. SR is an
observer effect caused by the variation in cyclic-to-linear
ratio of energy flows in an observer's 'reference frame'
affecting the rate at which consciousness experiences the
passage of time.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Grahame</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
black"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
title="wolf@nascentinc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Wolfgang
Baer</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 05,
2017 10:43 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General]
Relativity</div>
<div> </div>
<p>At the risk of both repeating and sounding crazy</p>
<p>I've been developing a theory of physics that includes
subjective experiences and identifies a background space with
every observer</p>
<p>It would then seem that the speed of light is constant for
every observer because it is tied to the material which
generates the space of that observer. If we look at the
relationship between observer and the reference frame and
realize the reference frame defines the space for that
observer Einstein's constant becomes the speed of each
observers "Now"</p>
<p>I have a paper for the Vigier conference tat explores this
possibility which I will send if interest exists</p>
<p>Wolf</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2017 12:37 PM, André
Michaud wrote:</div>
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cite="mid:201711031937.vA3JbwYW009823@mail68c0.megamailservers.com"
type="cite">
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<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE:
11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Hi
Chip,</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE:
11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">I
indeed see what you mean.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE:
11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Since
the constant velocity of light is established
in such certain terms as an absolute velocity,
what actually came to my mind was the idea of
possibly establishing the asymptotic speed of
light itself as the absolute reference with
respect to which all motion could be measured.</span></span></span></span></span><br>
<br>
I'll have a look at Albrecht's work.</span></p>
<br>
André<br>
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<i>On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:25:40 -0500, "Chip Akins" <chipakins@gmail.com>wrote:</chipakins@gmail.com></i><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Hi Andre
(and Albrecht) and All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">I think
that if Einstein’s statement “<i>light is propagated
in empty space with a velocity c which is
independent of the motion of the source</i>” is
true, then the only reference which makes any sense is
the frame of space itself. It is implicit within the
statement that the reference frame for this velocity
is space itself. Lorentz argued that there must be a
fixed frame of space for these same reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">What we
observe is exactly compatible with this concept, that
there is a fixed frame of space, and that we are not
able to measure our motion relative to that fixed
frame because matter is made of confined propagating
energy which moves at the same velocity as light.
Then, in a Euclidian three dimensional space, we would
experience the exact transformations Lorentz suggested
are required. As a result we would always measure the
speed of light to be the same speed. In this causal
form of relativity there is no room for the
supposition that all motion is relative. For motion
is, in such a situation, relative to the frame of
space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">The
impulse which is momentum (a specific force for a
finite time) is quite compatible, it seems, with your
concept of the importance of kinetic energy in the
behavior of propagating disturbances which make up all
particles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">One reason
I am interested in the kinetic energy analysis is
because it would be nice to better understand the
subject of momentum as it refers to the propagation of
energy through space. I think it would be helpful if
we understood the mechanisms which create this
momentum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Albrecht
has done some work in this area, using a novel
approach which evaluates the behavior of “extended
bodies” in space, which is also very interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: [General] Relativity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
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style="COLOR: black">Hi Chip,</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
style="COLOR: black">I have been thinking about what
you wrote here:</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
style="COLOR: black">"Einstein stated that “<i>light
is propagated in empty space with a velocity c
which is independent of the motion of the source</i>”,
which is an incomplete statement, logically
inconsistent, because <b>the<i> velocity c in empty
space </i>has no meaning, unless we use the
fixed frame of space, or some other reference, as
the logical reference for that velocity.</b> A
velocity simply must be stated in reference to
something."</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
style="COLOR: black">My own view on this hinges on
the kinetic energy viewpoint that you seem to have
taken an interest in.</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
style="COLOR: black">On page 14 of my paper on the
de Broglie photon hypothesis, you will find my take
on this issue, which relates the "<b>some other
logical reference</b>" that you mention, to the
physical presence of momentum related translational
kinetic energy:</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
style="COLOR: black">"Now this brings up the old
issue of what this </span><span style="COLOR:
black" lang="EN-CA">"</span><span style="COLOR:
black">equilibrium</span><span style="COLOR: black"
lang="EN-CA">" </span><span style="COLOR: black">constant
velocity of photons in vacuum (free moving kinetic
energy) is relative to in reality. Is it relative to
the medium? To the point of emission? To the point
of absorption? To the observer? To this or that
reference frame, or multiple reference frames,
inertial, non inertial, Galilean, moving or not,
etc.?</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
style="COLOR: black">A deeply ingrained habit has
developed since the beginning of the 20th century to
hypothesize various reference frames in attempts to
make sense of the experimentally observed data. But
in physical reality, velocity depends on only one
criterion: the actual presence of translational
kinetic energy. If translational kinetic energy is
present and if the local electromagnetic equilibrium
allows it, there will be velocity in vacuum,
relative to there being absence of translational
kinetic energy, irrespective of any hypothesized
reference frame or frames. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><u><span
style="COLOR: black">The absolute lower velocity
limit</span></u><span style="COLOR: black">, as
seen from this perspective, would be an electron
possessing zero translational kinetic energy in
excess the energy making up its rest mass. Of
course, such an electron totally deprived of
translational kinetic energy can only be
theoretical, because all massive particles are
subject to gravitational or electrostatic
acceleration in physical reality from the moment
they start existing. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><u><span
style="COLOR: black">The absolute upper velocity
limit</span></u><span style="COLOR: black">
involving electromagnetic oscillation is reached
when an amount of translational (aka unidirectional)
kinetic energy propels <b><u>an equal amount</u></b>
of kinetic energy captive in transverse
electromagnetic oscillation, that is, a free moving
photon for example, as described in this paper. </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><u><span
style="COLOR: black">The only other possible case</span></u><span
style="COLOR: black"> between these two limits
involving electromagnetic oscillation, applies to an
amount of kinetic energy captive in transverse
electromagnetic oscillation being propelled by <b><u>a
lesser amount</u></b> of translational kinetic
energy, such as the kinetic energy making up the
rest mass of an electron, plus the transversely
oscillating half of its carrier-photon's kinetic
energy, both quantities being propelled by the
unidirectional half of the carrier-photon's quantum
of kinetic energy. The velocity of such a system
will mandatorily lie between zero and asymptotically
close to the speed of light."</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
style="COLOR: black">This is the one logical
possible other reference that I have identified.</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
style="COLOR: black">Best Regards</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black">--- André Michaud<br>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><i>On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45 -0700,
Richard Gauthier wrote:</i><br>
<br>
Forwarded from Chip <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">From:
</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">"Chip
Akins" <</span><a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">Subject:
[General] Relativity</span></b><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">Date:
</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">October
31, 2017 at 6:46:19 AM PDT</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">To: </span></b><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif;
COLOR: black">"'Nature of Light and Particles
- General Discussion'" <</span><a
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><span
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COLOR: black">></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">Reply-To:
</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">Nature
of Light and Particles - General Discussion
<</span><a
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Hi Grahame (and Andre)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">A while back, we
briefly discussed the idea that SR is not
“logically self-consistent” even though many
conclude that it is mathematically
self-consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Regarding logical
self-consistent issues…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">In order to address
this point I think we would need to take a
look at the “landscape” as it relates to
“relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">While doing this, if we
look at causes, which is to say that we use
the concept of cause-and-effect as our
guiding principle, as you have properly
stressed, we can come to logical conclusions
which simply do not agree with SR in all
details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">So we can take a look
at many of the known conditions to guide the
development of a composite view of the
causes for “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Sound waves travel
through a medium. Sound waves exhibit the
Doppler Effect simply because they travel at
a “fixed” speed through a “homogeneous”
medium, regardless of the velocity of the
object emitting the waves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Light also exhibits the
Doppler Effect in space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">So there is an
indication that some similarities may exist
between the causes of the Doppler Effect in
sound and in light.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Einstein stated that “<i>light
is propagated in empty space with a
velocity c which is independent of the
motion of the source</i>”, which is an
incomplete statement, logically
inconsistent, because the<i>velocity c in
empty space</i>has no meaning, unless we
use the fixed frame of space, or some other
reference, as the logical reference for that
velocity. A velocity simply must be stated
in reference to something.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Einstein also stated
that, “<i>Absolute uniform motion cannot be
detected by any means.</i>” Which is
indicated by experiment as well. So no
problem here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">And he then followed
with the assertion that “<i>This is to say
that the concept of absolute rest and the
ether have no meaning.</i>” (<i>Paraphrased</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">This second conclusion
is<i>not</i>fully logically supported by the
evidence presented, and is logically
inconsistent with the assertion that “<i>light
is propagated in empty space with a
velocity c which is independent of the
motion of the source</i>”. There are
alternate interpretations of this evidence
which are more causal and logical than this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">First, our inability to
measure something does not necessarily make
it meaningless. There are a myriad examples
we can give of things which we cannot
directly measure, but we have come to
accept, because of indirect evidence which
stipulates their existence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">We can however, from
the evidence, reconstruct a set of
conditions, which is causal, and yields
results which match observation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">For example, if light
is made of “stuff” that propagates through a
fixed frame of space at c, and if matter is
made of confined versions of the same
“stuff” also propagating (in confinement) at
c in a fixed frame of space, then we would
have exactly this set of circumstances. We
would not be able to detect our motion
through space by using an apparatus like the
Michelson-Morley experiment. Note: This
approach does not relegate as meaningless
anything which may in fact be quite
important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">But if “<i>the concept
of absolute rest and the ether have no
meaning.”</i>Then how do we explain<i>“light
is propagated in empty space with a
velocity c which is independent of the
motion of the source”</i>and the resultant
Doppler Effect when a moving object emits
light?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">While I am fully aware
of the explanation that EM radiation is
represented by vector “fields”, and that
they somehow could propagate through an
empty space at a fixed velocity justified
only by the math. That is a less
satisfactory answer logically because it
does not present<i>physical</i>cause. This
consideration, and the Doppler Effect,
coupled with the underlying physical cause
mentioned above, for us not being able to
detect our own motion through space, yields
two logically consistent reasons for looking
at space as a sort of medium, with a “fixed”
frame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Lorentz transformations
are a natural result of the situation
mentioned above regarding the constitution
of light a matter. These transformations are
required under the circumstances where light
and matter are made of the same “stuff” and
that stuff moves at the fixed speed c in a
fixed frame of space. This all occurs in a 3
dimensional Euclidian space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">So there is a more
logically consistent, causal view, than the
one proposed by SR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">When we run the math
describing the situation where space is a
medium in which the propagation of
disturbances is a fixed velocity, and light
and matter are made of these disturbances,
we obtain the set of Lorentz
transformations, and cause for “relativity”
is shown, precisely and clearly. This is a
logically consistent basis, and one which
shows cause. In contrast to SR, which is a
different interpretation of the same
starting information, but does not show
cause, and does not appear to be as
logically consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Are there ways to
present this and related information which
better illustrates the case from a logical
basis?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
style="COLOR: black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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