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    <p>Thank you Andre and Graham:</p>
    <p>Great to have the articles</p>
    <p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                style="line-height:115%">I fully agree with your
                statement  "Each of us thus internally builds a
                personal, thus subjective, model of what is occurring in
                physical reality as the "present moment" progresses,
                which "present moment" is the only moment that we can be
                aware of."</span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                style="line-height:115%">The next question  to ask is "
                if the world in front of our nose can be anything other
                than our experience of the subjective model?"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                style="line-height:115%">I tend to think it is because
                we can only experience the result and subsequent
                explanation of our sensor interactions so we are always
                living in our own model of reality not reality itself.
                This would mean the empty space experience is tied to
                the  background  material of our own mental display.
                Then I'll go one step further and state all material has
                an experiential aspect and "an extension of material is
                experienced as an expanse of space".   <br>
              </span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                style="line-height:115%">I'll send a paper that
                addresses the possibility that every material is
                associated with some primitive feeling of space and
                Einstein did not acknowledge this omnipresent background
                when he envisioned his thought experiments. Please
                ignore the first part of this paper which points out a
                flaw in the Special Relativity argument. I was told I
                did not understand SR , which may be true , but its the
                omnipresent personal space and the speed of "Now" I want
                to emphasize.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                style="line-height:115%">Out for 2 wks in Mexico</span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                style="line-height:115%">best wishes</span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                style="line-height:115%">Wolf</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                style="line-height:115%"><br>
              </span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/6/2017 6:48 AM, André Michaud
      wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:201711061448.vA6Em1LJ002462@mail70c0.megamailservers.com">
      <title></title>
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        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">Hi Grahame,</span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
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                    style="line-height:115%">You write "</span></span><i>
                </i><i><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                      style="line-height:115%">At any given instant in
                      time a snapshot of the physical state of the
                      universe is given by the totality of the leading
                      edges (or wavefronts) of the electromagnetic
                      energy flows that make up all the particles and
                      free energies in the universe at that time</span></span></i><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">I must say that I also drew
                    converging conclusions with regard to time, and so
                    did a group of European researchers.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">You might be interested in
                    an article published last year by Amrit Sorli et al.
                    analyzing what Einstein called the "NOW" moment,
                    title "Cosmology of Einstein's NOW":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%"><a
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf"
                      style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">My personal conclusion is
                    only slightly different from yours, as I would
                    formulate this idea as:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%"> "</span></span><i><span
                    style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                      style="line-height:115%"> At any given instant in
                      time each of us records in his neocortex what his
                      senses let him perceive of  the physical state of
                      the universe given by the totality of the leading
                      edges (or wavefronts) of the electromagnetic
                      energy flows that make up all the particles and
                      free energies in the universe at that instant of
                      time</span></span></i><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">Each of us thus internally
                    builds a personal, thus subjective, model of what is
                    occurring in physical reality as the "present
                    moment" progresses, which "present moment" is the
                    only moment that we can be aware of.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">My own conclusions in this
                    regard can be found in Section "8. The Time
                    Dimension" of this article, titled "</span></span><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                    style="line-height:115%">On the Birth of the
                    Universe and the Time Dimension in the 3-Spaces
                    Model</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"
                  lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%">":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <p style="margin:0in 0in 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span
              style="line-height:115%"><span
                style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
                  style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="line-height:115%"><a
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf"
                      style="color:blue; text-decoration:underline"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
        <span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
            style="line-height:115%"><span
              style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Best
              Regards</span></span></span><br>
         
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            <i>On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:08:29 -0000, "Dr Grahame Blackwell"
              <grahame@starweave.com> wrote:</grahame@starweave.com></i><br>
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      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Wolf [et al.],</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">I have no doubt
          that time is a subjective experience of consciousness - that,
          as you say, the speed of light is in fact the speed at which
          consciousness moves through 'instants' of reality, i.e. as you
          put it: "<font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">Einstein's
            constant becomes <font size="2" face="Arial"
              color="#000080">[IS, in fact]</font>the speed of each
            observer's "Now".</font>"</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">I first presented
          this view myself 10 years ago in an article in published the
          journal of the Scientific & Medical Network [Network
          Review, Issue 95, Dec 2007], in the following words:</font></div>
      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">"</font></div>
      <div>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
          TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
            face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><b><u><span
                    style="COLOR: #333399">The Role of Consciousness in
                    Time Perception</span></u></b></font></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
          TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
            face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
                style="COLOR: #333399">At any given instant in time a
                snapshot of the physical state of the universe is given
                by the totality of the leading edges (or wavefronts) of
                the electromagnetic energy flows that make up all the
                particles and free energies in the universe at that
                time. (In passing it's worth noting that this may have a
                bearing on Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, since the
                'position' of a fundamental sub-atomic particle will at
                that instant be reduced to a single point in the cyclic
                path of the energy flow forming that particle – which
                will vary in position and direction at different points
                in that cycle.)</span></font></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
          TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
            face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
                style="COLOR: #333399">As time progresses successive
                snapshots will be given by corresponding advances in
                each of those energy flows. From the point of view of an
                eternal observer, unhampered by the temporal limitation
                of observing only one instant at a time, each of those
                energy flows will form a continuous thread weaving its
                way through space as it also progresses through what we
                call 'time'.</span></font></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
          TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
            face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
                style="COLOR: #333399">Almost certainly our perception
                of three-dimensional space is a consciousness-mapping of
                some deeper reality, but since we're built to think in
                these terms it makes sense to visualise that succession
                of snapshots by some spatial analogy. A common model is
                to think of a succession of frames from a cine film or
                video recording, but this tends to lose the continuity
                of those energy flows. Perhaps a better model is that of
                a four-dimensional spherical crystal, growing outwards
                from the centre as time progresses (though of course
                from the eternal perspective that crystal simply <b><i>is</i></b>).</span></font></font></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-JUSTIFY: inter-ideograph;
          TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px"><font size="2"
            face="Arial" color="#000080"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
                style="COLOR: #333399">Each instant in time is then an
                infinitely thin three-dimensional layer of that
                hypersphere, like the layers of an onion. The strands of
                light-energy snake outwards from the Source at the
                centre, weaving their intricate patterns of successive
                instants of reality in synchronisation with one another
                as they shape our ongoing cosmic destiny. Consciousness,
                flowing outward from the Source at the speed of light,
                experiences successive layers of this amazing
                hypersphere of light as instants of being, each perfect
                in its own way.</span></font></font></p>
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      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">"</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">[If others think
          this crazy (as they may), I invite them to consider
          observations by Planck and <span class="st">Schrödinger</span>
          on consciousness, which they both considered to bethe
          fundamental driving force of the universe.]</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">I'd agree also
          that "<font size="3" face="Times New Roman" color="#000000">the
            speed of light is constant for every observer because it is
            tied to the material which generates the space of that
            observer</font>" [and, of course, that observer themself].
          This is totally consistent with the logical observation that
          the 'time-experience' of that observer will itself be affected
          by those energy flows and the rate at which they pass
          through/around the observer (and any instruments they may use)
          - and so the time-experience of any observer/instrument will
          be tied to its state of motion ("reference frame") exactly in
          accordance with the findings of SR.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">I.e. SR is an
          observer effect caused by the variation in cyclic-to-linear
          ratio of energy flows in an observer's 'reference frame'
          affecting the rate at which consciousness experiences the
          passage of time.</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">Grahame</font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font size="2" face="Arial" color="#000080">=========</font></div>
      <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT:
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        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
          black"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
            title="wolf@nascentinc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Wolfgang
            Baer</a></div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
            href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
            title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</a></div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 05,
          2017 10:43 PM</div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General]
          Relativity</div>
        <div> </div>
        <p>At the risk of both repeating and sounding crazy</p>
        <p>I've been developing a theory of physics that includes
          subjective experiences and identifies a background space with
          every observer</p>
        <p>It would then seem that the speed of light is constant for
          every observer because it is tied to the material which
          generates the space of that observer. If we look at the
          relationship between observer and the reference frame and
          realize the reference frame defines the space for that
          observer Einstein's constant becomes the speed of each
          observers "Now"</p>
        <p>I have a paper for the Vigier conference tat explores this
          possibility which I will send if interest exists</p>
        <p>Wolf</p>
        <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2017 12:37 PM, André
          Michaud wrote:</div>
        <blockquote
          cite="mid:201711031937.vA3JbwYW009823@mail68c0.megamailservers.com"
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                          style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Hi
                          Chip,</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
            <p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="FONT-SIZE:
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                          style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">I
                          indeed see what you mean.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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                          style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'">Since
                          the constant velocity of light is established
                          in such certain terms as an absolute velocity,
                          what actually came to my mind was the idea of
                          possibly establishing the asymptotic speed of
                          light itself as the absolute reference with
                          respect to which all motion could be measured.</span></span></span></span></span><br>
                <br>
                I'll have a look at Albrecht's work.</span></p>
            <br>
            André<br>
            <br>
            <i>On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:25:40 -0500, "Chip Akins" <chipakins@gmail.com>wrote:</chipakins@gmail.com></i><br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Hi Andre
                  (and Albrecht) and All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">I think
                  that if Einstein’s statement “<i>light is propagated
                    in empty space with a velocity c which is
                    independent of the motion of the source</i>” is
                  true, then the only reference which makes any sense is
                  the frame of space itself. It is implicit within the
                  statement that the reference frame for this velocity
                  is space itself. Lorentz argued that there must be a
                  fixed frame of space for these same reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">What we
                  observe is exactly compatible with this concept, that
                  there is a fixed frame of space, and that we are not
                  able to measure our motion relative to that fixed
                  frame because matter is made of confined propagating
                  energy which moves at the same velocity as light.
                  Then, in a Euclidian three dimensional space, we would
                  experience the exact transformations Lorentz suggested
                  are required. As a result we would always measure the
                  speed of light to be the same speed. In this causal
                  form of relativity there is no room for the
                  supposition that all motion is relative. For motion
                  is, in such a situation, relative to the frame of
                  space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">The
                  impulse which is momentum (a specific force for a
                  finite time) is quite compatible, it seems, with your
                  concept of the importance of kinetic energy in the
                  behavior of propagating disturbances which make up all
                  particles.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">One reason
                  I am interested in the kinetic energy analysis is
                  because it would be nice to better understand the
                  subject of momentum as it refers to the propagation of
                  energy through space. I think it would be helpful if
                  we understood the mechanisms which create this
                  momentum.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Albrecht
                  has done some work in this area, using a novel
                  approach which evaluates the behavior of “extended
                  bodies” in space, which is also very interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Calibri',sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</span></b><span
                      style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri',sans-serif;
                      FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> André Michaud [<a
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                        href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:srp2@srpinc.org</a>]<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 03, 2017 11:23 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">chipakins@gmail.com</a>;
                      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists..natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                      <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">srp2@srpinc.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: [General] Relativity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">Hi Chip,</span><span
                    style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">I have been thinking about what
                    you wrote here:</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                    'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">"Einstein stated that “<i>light
                      is propagated in empty space with a velocity c
                      which is independent of the motion of the source</i>”,
                    which is an incomplete statement, logically
                    inconsistent, because <b>the<i> velocity c in empty
                        space </i>has no meaning, unless we use the
                      fixed frame of space, or some other reference, as
                      the logical reference for that velocity.</b> A
                    velocity simply must be stated in reference to
                    something."</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                    'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">My own view on this hinges on
                    the kinetic energy viewpoint that you seem to have
                    taken an interest in.</span><span
                    style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">On page 14 of my paper on the
                    de Broglie photon hypothesis, you will find my take
                    on this issue, which relates the "<b>some other
                      logical reference</b>" that you mention, to the
                    physical presence of momentum related translational
                    kinetic energy:</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                    'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">"Now this brings up the old
                    issue of what this </span><span style="COLOR:
                    black" lang="EN-CA">"</span><span style="COLOR:
                    black">equilibrium</span><span style="COLOR: black"
                    lang="EN-CA">" </span><span style="COLOR: black">constant
                    velocity of photons in vacuum (free moving kinetic
                    energy) is relative to in reality. Is it relative to
                    the medium? To the point of emission? To the point
                    of absorption? To the observer? To this or that
                    reference frame, or multiple reference frames,
                    inertial, non inertial, Galilean, moving or not,
                    etc.?</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                    'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">A deeply ingrained habit has
                    developed since the beginning of the 20th century to
                    hypothesize various reference frames in attempts to
                    make sense of the experimentally observed data. But
                    in physical reality, velocity depends on only one
                    criterion: the actual presence of translational
                    kinetic energy. If translational kinetic energy is
                    present and if the local electromagnetic equilibrium
                    allows it, there will be velocity in vacuum,
                    relative to there being absence of translational
                    kinetic energy, irrespective of any hypothesized
                    reference frame or frames. </span><span
                    style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><u><span
                      style="COLOR: black">The absolute lower velocity
                      limit</span></u><span style="COLOR: black">, as
                    seen from this perspective, would be an electron
                    possessing zero translational kinetic energy in
                    excess the energy making up its rest mass. Of
                    course, such an electron totally deprived of
                    translational kinetic energy can only be
                    theoretical, because all massive particles are
                    subject to gravitational or electrostatic
                    acceleration in physical reality from the moment
                    they start existing. </span><span
                    style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><u><span
                      style="COLOR: black">The absolute upper velocity
                      limit</span></u><span style="COLOR: black">
                    involving electromagnetic oscillation is reached
                    when an amount of translational (aka unidirectional)
                    kinetic energy propels <b><u>an equal amount</u></b>
                    of kinetic energy captive in transverse
                    electromagnetic oscillation, that is, a free moving
                    photon for example, as described in this paper. </span><span
                    style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><u><span
                      style="COLOR: black">The only other possible case</span></u><span
                    style="COLOR: black"> between these two limits
                    involving electromagnetic oscillation, applies to an
                    amount of kinetic energy captive in transverse
                    electromagnetic oscillation being propelled by <b><u>a
                        lesser amount</u></b> of translational kinetic
                    energy, such as the kinetic energy making up the
                    rest mass of an electron, plus the transversely
                    oscillating half of its carrier-photon's kinetic
                    energy, both quantities being propelled by the
                    unidirectional half of the carrier-photon's quantum
                    of kinetic energy. The velocity of such a system
                    will mandatorily lie between zero and asymptotically
                    close to the speed of light."</span><span
                    style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">This is the one logical
                    possible other reference that I have identified.</span><span
                    style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                  MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><span
                    style="COLOR: black">Best Regards</span><span
                    style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                    'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black">--- André Michaud<br>
                    GSJournal admin</span><br>
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                  <br>
                  <span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                    black"><i>On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45 -0700,
                      Richard Gauthier wrote:</i><br>
                    <br>
                    Forwarded from Chip <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                          'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black">Begin
                          forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                            'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">From:
                          </span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                          'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">"Chip
                          Akins" <</span><a
                          href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif">chipakins@gmail.com</span></a><span
                          style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica',sans-serif;
                          COLOR: black">></span><span
                          style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                          black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                            'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">Subject:
                            [General] Relativity</span></b><span
                          style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                          black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                            'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">Date:
                          </span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                          'Helvetica',sans-serif; COLOR: black">October
                          31, 2017 at 6:46:19 AM PDT</span><span
                          style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial',sans-serif; COLOR:
                          black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Hi Grahame (and Andre)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">A while back, we
                            briefly discussed the idea that SR is not
                            “logically self-consistent” even though many
                            conclude that it is mathematically
                            self-consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Regarding logical
                            self-consistent issues…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">In order to address
                            this point I think we would need to take a
                            look at the “landscape” as it relates to
                            “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">While doing this, if we
                            look at causes, which is to say that we use
                            the concept of cause-and-effect as our
                            guiding principle, as you have properly
                            stressed, we can come to logical conclusions
                            which simply do not agree with SR in all
                            details.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">So we can take a look
                            at many of the known conditions to guide the
                            development of a composite view of the
                            causes for “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Sound waves travel
                            through a medium. Sound waves exhibit the
                            Doppler Effect simply because they travel at
                            a “fixed” speed through a “homogeneous”
                            medium, regardless of the velocity of the
                            object emitting the waves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Light also exhibits the
                            Doppler Effect in space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">So there is an
                            indication that some similarities may exist
                            between the causes of the Doppler Effect in
                            sound and in light.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Einstein stated that “<i>light
                              is propagated in empty space with a
                              velocity c which is independent of the
                              motion of the source</i>”, which is an
                            incomplete statement, logically
                            inconsistent, because the<i>velocity c in
                              empty space</i>has no meaning, unless we
                            use the fixed frame of space, or some other
                            reference, as the logical reference for that
                            velocity. A velocity simply must be stated
                            in reference to something.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Einstein also stated
                            that, “<i>Absolute uniform motion cannot be
                              detected by any means.</i>” Which is
                            indicated by experiment as well. So no
                            problem here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">And he then followed
                            with the assertion that “<i>This is to say
                              that the concept of absolute rest and the
                              ether have no meaning.</i>” (<i>Paraphrased</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">This second conclusion
                            is<i>not</i>fully logically supported by the
                            evidence presented, and is logically
                            inconsistent with the assertion that “<i>light
                              is propagated in empty space with a
                              velocity c which is independent of the
                              motion of the source</i>”. There are
                            alternate interpretations of this evidence
                            which are more causal and logical than this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">First, our inability to
                            measure something does not necessarily make
                            it meaningless. There are a myriad examples
                            we can give of things which we cannot
                            directly measure, but we have come to
                            accept, because of indirect evidence which
                            stipulates their existence.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">We can however, from
                            the evidence, reconstruct a set of
                            conditions, which is causal, and yields
                            results which match observation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">For example, if light
                            is made of “stuff” that propagates through a
                            fixed frame of space at c, and if matter is
                            made of confined versions of the same
                            “stuff” also propagating (in confinement) at
                            c in a fixed frame of space, then we would
                            have exactly this set of circumstances. We
                            would not be able to detect our motion
                            through space by using an apparatus like the
                            Michelson-Morley experiment. Note: This
                            approach does not relegate as meaningless
                            anything which may in fact be quite
                            important.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">But if “<i>the concept
                              of absolute rest and the ether have no
                              meaning.”</i>Then how do we explain<i>“light
                              is propagated in empty space with a
                              velocity c which is independent of the
                              motion of the source”</i>and the resultant
                            Doppler Effect when a moving object emits
                            light?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">While I am fully aware
                            of the explanation that EM radiation is
                            represented by vector “fields”, and that
                            they somehow could propagate through an
                            empty space at a fixed velocity justified
                            only by the math. That is a less
                            satisfactory answer logically because it
                            does not present<i>physical</i>cause. This
                            consideration, and the Doppler Effect,
                            coupled with the underlying physical cause
                            mentioned above, for us not being able to
                            detect our own motion through space, yields
                            two logically consistent reasons for looking
                            at space as a sort of medium, with a “fixed”
                            frame.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Lorentz transformations
                            are a natural result of the situation
                            mentioned above regarding the constitution
                            of light a matter. These transformations are
                            required under the circumstances where light
                            and matter are made of the same “stuff” and
                            that stuff moves at the fixed speed c in a
                            fixed frame of space. This all occurs in a 3
                            dimensional Euclidian space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">So there is a more
                            logically consistent, causal view, than the
                            one proposed by SR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">When we run the math
                            describing the situation where space is a
                            medium in which the propagation of
                            disturbances is a fixed velocity, and light
                            and matter are made of these disturbances,
                            we obtain the set of Lorentz
                            transformations, and cause for “relativity”
                            is shown, precisely and clearly. This is a
                            logically consistent basis, and one which
                            shows cause. In contrast to SR, which is a
                            different interpretation of the same
                            starting information, but does not show
                            cause, and does not appear to be as
                            logically consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Are there ways to
                            present this and related information which
                            better illustrates the case from a logical
                            basis?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span
                            style="COLOR: black">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            style="COLOR: black">Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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