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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000080>Hi Richard, <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, Wolf, and
All,</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, I'm delighted that others, too, are now coming
to this conclusion. I don't feel that your conclusion is really in any way
different from mine - my perception of the situation is pretty much identical to
yours. The difference lies, not in how we perceive the situation, but in
what we are describing. I have described the actuality of the totality of
wavefronts at any given instant, you have (as I understand it) described the
experience of that totality as it is mediated/filtered by our physical senses
and interpreted by the brain; this matches exactly how I see our assimilation of
data from our immersive environment (though I would say the whole
brain rather than just neocortex - since limbic system, reptilian brain,
etc all contribute to our picture of the reality that we inhabit [including our
own body]).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In
other writings I have proposed that experience of its environment by, for
example, a bat would be radically different from our own, since its internal
'preprocessor logic' would be dealing with quite a different set of inputs:
presumably a bat has a major part of its brain given over to processing sound
signals to produce a picture of its surroundings, comparable to that produced by
our visual cortex; it would be ludicrous to suppose that a bat would have to
figure out what incoming sound signals meant in terms of the topography of
the fast-moving 'terrain' around it. Similarly for IR sensors in a snake,
and all sorts of other sensors in fish etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Richard, I fully agree that our sense of 'now' must
surely be a 'moving sample' of short duration - I believe this has been shown to
be the case by research, also point sources would not allow for extrapolation of
meaningful observations (e.g. a colour must necessarily require at least a
fragment of wave in order to identify frequency - this is part of the role of
sensors, which must therefore have a 'time-sampling' element about them .. . .
which we know to be the case since photon absorption itself takes a finite
time).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
also agree, without question, that the Pythagorean relationship between
time-experience, velocity and c is a more appropriate representation if the
interrelationship between these qualities than the hyperbolic relationship -
this has been a central tenet of all that I've published on this subject over
the past 20 years. It was for some time a puzzle to me why people would
choose to favour the complexity of the hyperbolic model over the clear (and
clean) reality of the Pythagorean description - I liken it to choosing to
opt for the Greeks' epicycloids for orbits in a geocentric system rather than
the elliptical orbits of a heliocentric system. I concluded (and
calculated) after a while that it's all down to appearances (for us as for the
Greeks): the Pythagorean relationship, coupled with other real-world phenomena
such as electromagnetic foreshortening of objects in motion, leads a moving
observer to experience the illusion of a fully reciprocal relationship -
considering themself to be at rest, the observer will experience the illusion
that others in different states of motion (including the objective rest-state)
are in fact subject to 'relativistic' effects. As I keep saying, SR
is an observer effect.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This
in turn leads to the illusion of full reciprocity - the equivalence (and so also
symmetry) of all intertial 'frames'. The hyperbolic model is fully
symmetric, whereas the Pythagorean is not. If one chooses to go with the
illusion rather than (I contend) objective reality then, just as the Greeks
allowed their illusion to dictate a more complex model of the universe, so do we
(collectively - with some exceptions).</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Clearly the hyperbolic model is faithful to
observation and measurement - this is a point that I have always stressed -
since all observers and measuring instruments are subject to this 'illusion'
(measurements by instruments will be affected by the helical nature of the
energy-flows forming their constituent particles); in this respect of course
that model is hugely useful - one might say absolutely essential. However,
to then on that basis attribute to objective reality the metaphysical
property of 'frame symmetry' - leading, for example, to the same train actually
BEING (not just seeming to be) different lengths depending on whether one is on
the train, watching it from the track-side or observing it from a high-speed
aircraft - makes as much sense to me as the notion that planets ARE in fact
bouncing around a complex path akin to the path of a fly on the rim of a bicycle
wheel being rolled around the outside of a large drum! I reiterate, in
BOTH cases I believe that finding causation for such claimed properties could be
hugely difficult!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One
might ask: if the observed data fits the hyperbolic model so well, why am I (and
others) so sure that the Pythagorean model fits the true reality? My
answer is one word: Occam. The Pythagorean model requires NO additional
explanation for ALL observed effects other than known physical properties,
including the now well-attested principle that particles of matter are (or
at least can be) formed from photons of electromagnetic energy; by contrast,
just an explanation of how a railway train obligingly adjusts its length to
simultaneously suit a passenger, a track-worker and a jet pilot so that frame
symmetry is not breached could involve quite a few as-yet-unknown (and
unimaginable!) properties of material reality. (That 'causation' thing
again.)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
need to reiterate: THIS MATTERS! It matters absolutely hugely!
(Mainstream) Physics is at present (I would contend) stuck in a cul-de-sac of
its own making, unable to move forward on such crucial matters as fundamentals
of gravitation as it insists on finding a frame-independent formulation.
Releasing that self-imposed constraint would free things up absolutely
phenomenally!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm
actually finding this discussion very exciting! We're now talking about
the role of the observer, and of the consciousness of that observer, in the
process. This, to me, is a major step forward.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks guys!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Grahame</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=richgauthier@gmail.com href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">Richard
Gauthier</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=srp2@srpinc.org
href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org">srp2@srpinc.org</A> ; <A
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 06, 2017 6:55
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [General] Relativity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Hi Grahame, <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, Wolf, Chip and
others,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> I also have a sense that our experienced
sense of “now” (which is probably not a mathematical point in time but a
very short experienced interval which could be different for different people)
is related to the speed of light. The best objective measure of experienced
time that I know of is one's “wristwatch time” or proper time tau, which moves
with a person or object and indicates passing moments of “now” for that
person or object (c tau is zero for a photon). Several people, the first I
think being Lewis Carroll Epstein in his 1981 book “Relativity
Visualized”, discovered that proper time tau (or rather c tau) can be
the 4th orthogonal dimension on a Minkowski-type diagram, rather than
coordinate time t (or ct) in the usual Minkowski spacetime diagram. This
approach simplifies Minkowski diagram math (from hyperbolic to pythagorean),
removes the need for light cones, and also suggests the idea that every
person (or object with mass) is traveling through time at light-speed, whether
standing still or moving. Please see "</FONT>Relativity Simplified by
Modified Minkowski Metric Spacetime and Momentum-Energy Diagrams” at <A
href="https://richardgauthier.academia.edu">https://richardgauthier.academia.edu</A> .</DIV>
<DIV> Richard</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:48 AM, André Michaud <<A
href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org">srp2@srpinc.org</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">Hi
Grahame,</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">You write "</SPAN></SPAN><I><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></I><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">At any
given instant in time a snapshot of the physical state of the universe is
given by the totality of the leading edges (or wavefronts) of the
electromagnetic energy flows that make up all the particles and free
energies in the universe at that time</SPAN></SPAN></I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-CA><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">"</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">I must say that I also drew
converging conclusions with regard to time, and so did a group of European
researchers.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">You might be interested in an
article published last year by Amrit Sorli et al. analyzing what Einstein
called the "NOW" moment, title "Cosmology of Einstein's
NOW":</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf</A></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">My personal conclusion is only
slightly different from yours, as I would formulate this idea
as:</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"> "</SPAN></SPAN><I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>At any given instant in time each
of us records in his neocortex what his senses let him perceive of the
physical state of the universe given by the totality of the leading edges
(or wavefronts) of the electromagnetic energy flows that make up all the
particles and free energies in the universe at that instant of
time</SPAN></SPAN></I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-CA><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">"</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">Each of us thus internally builds
a personal, thus subjective, model of what is occurring in physical reality
as the "present moment" progresses, which "present moment" is the only
moment that we can be aware of.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">My own conclusions in this regard
can be found in Section "8. The Time Dimension" of this article, titled
"</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-US><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">On the Birth of the Universe and the Time
Dimension in the 3-Spaces Model</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">":</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><A
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf</A></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang=EN-CA><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif">Best
Regards</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><BR> <FOOTER
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class=replyforwardcontainer>André<BR><BR><BR><I>On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:08:29
-0000, "Dr Grahame Blackwell"<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><GRAHAME@STARWEAVE.COM>wrote:</GRAHAME@STARWEAVE.COM></I><BR><BR></FOOTER></FOOTER></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Wolf [et al.],</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I have no doubt that time is a subjective
experience of consciousness - that, as you say, the speed of light is in
fact the speed at which consciousness moves through 'instants' of reality,
i.e. as you put it: "<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Einstein's constant
becomes<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><FONT color=#000080
size=2 face=Arial>[IS, in fact]</FONT>the speed of each observer's
"Now".</FONT>"</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I first presented this view myself 10 years
ago in an article in published the journal of the Scientific & Medical
Network [Network Review, Issue 95, Dec 2007], in the following
words:</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>"</FONT></DIV>
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<P
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class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><B><U><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">The Role of
Consciousness in Time Perception</SPAN></U></B></FONT></FONT></P>
<P
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">At any given
instant in time a snapshot of the physical state of the universe is given by
the totality of the leading edges (or wavefronts) of the electromagnetic
energy flows that make up all the particles and free energies in the
universe at that time. (In passing it's worth noting that this may have a
bearing on Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, since the 'position' of a
fundamental sub-atomic particle will at that instant be reduced to a single
point in the cyclic path of the energy flow forming that particle – which
will vary in position and direction at different points in that
cycle.)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">As time
progresses successive snapshots will be given by corresponding advances in
each of those energy flows. From the point of view of an eternal observer,
unhampered by the temporal limitation of observing only one instant at a
time, each of those energy flows will form a continuous thread weaving its
way through space as it also progresses through what we call
'time'.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">Almost certainly
our perception of three-dimensional space is a consciousness-mapping of some
deeper reality, but since we're built to think in these terms it makes sense
to visualise that succession of snapshots by some spatial analogy. A common
model is to think of a succession of frames from a cine film or video
recording, but this tends to lose the continuity of those energy flows.
Perhaps a better model is that of a four-dimensional spherical crystal,
growing outwards from the centre as time progresses (though of course from
the eternal perspective that crystal simply<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><I>is</I></B>).</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P
style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
class=MsoNormal><FONT color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">Each instant in
time is then an infinitely thin three-dimensional layer of that hypersphere,
like the layers of an onion. The strands of light-energy snake outwards from
the Source at the centre, weaving their intricate patterns of successive
instants of reality in synchronisation with one another as they shape our
ongoing cosmic destiny. Consciousness, flowing outward from the Source at
the speed of light, experiences successive layers of this amazing
hypersphere of light as instants of being, each perfect in its own
way.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></P></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>"</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>[If others think this crazy (as they may), I
invite them to consider observations by Planck and<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><SPAN
class=st>Schrödinger</SPAN><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>on
consciousness, which they both considered to bethe fundamental driving force
of the universe.]</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I'd agree also that "<FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">the speed of light is constant for every observer
because it is tied to the material which generates the space of that
observer</FONT>" [and, of course, that observer themself]. This is totally
consistent with the logical observation that the 'time-experience' of that
observer will itself be affected by those energy flows and the rate at which
they pass through/around the observer (and any instruments they may use) -
and so the time-experience of any observer/instrument will be tied to its
state of motion ("reference frame") exactly in accordance with the findings
of SR.</FONT></DIV>
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style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"> </DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>I.e. SR is an observer effect caused by the
variation in cyclic-to-linear ratio of energy flows in an observer's
'reference frame' affecting the rate at which consciousness experiences the
passage of time.</FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080 size=2 face=Arial>Grahame</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
title=wolf@nascentinc.com href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com">Wolfgang
Baer</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
title=general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists...natureoflightandparticles.org</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [General] Relativity</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">At
the risk of both repeating and sounding crazy</P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">I've
been developing a theory of physics that includes subjective experiences
and identifies a background space with every observer</P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">It
would then seem that the speed of light is constant for every observer
because it is tied to the material which generates the space of that
observer. If we look at the relationship between observer and the
reference frame and realize the reference frame defines the space for that
observer Einstein's constant becomes the speed of each observers "Now"</P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">I
have a paper for the Vigier conference tat explores this possibility which
I will send if interest exists</P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">Wolf</P><PRE class=moz-signature cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <A style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</A></PRE>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 11/3/2017 12:37 PM, André Michaud
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
cite=mid:201711031937.vA3JbwYW009823@mail68c0.megamailservers.com
type="cite">
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt" class=userStyles>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-US><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Hi
Chip,</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-US><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">I
indeed see what you mean.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang=EN-US><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif">Since
the constant velocity of light is established in such certain terms as
an absolute velocity, what actually came to my mind was the idea of
possibly establishing the asymptotic speed of light itself as the
absolute reference with respect to which all motion could be
measured.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><BR><BR>I'll have a look at
Albrecht's work.</SPAN></P><BR>André<BR><BR><I>On Fri, 3 Nov 2017
12:25:40 -0500, "Chip Akins"<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><CHIPAKINS@GMAIL.COM>wrote:</CHIPAKINS@GMAIL.COM></I><BR><BR>
<DIV style="page: WordSection1" class=WordSection1>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Hi
Andre (and Albrecht) and All<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>I
think that if Einstein’s statement “<I>light is propagated in empty
space with a velocity c which is independent of the motion of the
source</I>” is true, then the only reference which makes any sense is
the frame of space itself. It is implicit within the statement that the
reference frame for this velocity is space itself. Lorentz argued that
there must be a fixed frame of space for these same
reasons.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>What
we observe is exactly compatible with this concept, that there is a
fixed frame of space, and that we are not able to measure our motion
relative to that fixed frame because matter is made of confined
propagating energy which moves at the same velocity as light. Then, in a
Euclidian three dimensional space, we would experience the exact
transformations Lorentz suggested are required. As a result we would
always measure the speed of light to be the same speed. In this causal
form of relativity there is no room for the supposition that all motion
is relative. For motion is, in such a situation, relative to the frame
of space.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>The
impulse which is momentum (a specific force for a finite time) is quite
compatible, it seems, with your concept of the importance of kinetic
energy in the behavior of propagating disturbances which make up all
particles.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>One
reason I am interested in the kinetic energy analysis is because it
would be nice to better understand the subject of momentum as it refers
to the propagation of energy through space. I think it would be helpful
if we understood the mechanisms which create this
momentum.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Albrecht
has done some work in this area, using a novel approach which evaluates
the behavior of “extended bodies” in space, which is also very
interesting.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Chip<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
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<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>André Michaud [<A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org">mailto:srp2@srpinc.org</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, November 03, 2017 11:23
AM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com">chipakins@gmail.com</A>;<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists...natureoflightandparticles.org</A><BR><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org">srp2@srpinc.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: Fwd: [General]
Relativity<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>Hi
Chip,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>I
have been thinking about what you wrote here:</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>"Einstein
stated that “<I>light is propagated in empty space with a velocity c
which is independent of the motion of the source</I>”, which is an
incomplete statement, logically inconsistent, because<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>the<I><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>velocity c in empty space<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></I>has no meaning, unless we
use the fixed frame of space, or some other reference, as the logical
reference for that velocity.</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>A velocity simply must be
stated in reference to something."</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>My
own view on this hinges on the kinetic energy viewpoint that you seem to
have taken an interest in.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>On
page 14 of my paper on the de Broglie photon hypothesis, you will find
my take on this issue, which relates the "<B>some other logical
reference</B>" that you mention, to the physical presence of momentum
related translational kinetic energy:</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>"Now
this brings up the old issue of what this<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-CA>"</SPAN><SPAN>equilibrium</SPAN><SPAN lang=EN-CA>"<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN>constant velocity
of photons in vacuum (free moving kinetic energy) is relative to in
reality. Is it relative to the medium? To the point of emission? To the
point of absorption? To the observer? To this or that reference frame,
or multiple reference frames, inertial, non inertial, Galilean, moving
or not, etc.?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>A
deeply ingrained habit has developed since the beginning of the 20th
century to hypothesize various reference frames in attempts to make
sense of the experimentally observed data. But in physical reality,
velocity depends on only one criterion: the actual presence of
translational kinetic energy. If translational kinetic energy is present
and if the local electromagnetic equilibrium allows it, there will be
velocity in vacuum, relative to there being absence of translational
kinetic energy, irrespective of any hypothesized reference frame or
frames.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><U><SPAN>The
absolute lower velocity limit</SPAN></U><SPAN>, as seen from this
perspective, would be an electron possessing zero translational kinetic
energy in excess the energy making up its rest mass. Of course, such an
electron totally deprived of translational kinetic energy can only be
theoretical, because all massive particles are subject to gravitational
or electrostatic acceleration in physical reality from the moment they
start existing.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><U><SPAN>The
absolute upper velocity limit</SPAN></U><SPAN><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>involving electromagnetic
oscillation is reached when an amount of translational (aka
unidirectional) kinetic energy propels<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><U>an equal
amount</U></B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>of kinetic
energy captive in transverse electromagnetic oscillation, that is, a
free moving photon for example, as described in this paper.<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><U><SPAN>The
only other possible case</SPAN></U><SPAN><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>between these two limits
involving electromagnetic oscillation, applies to an amount of kinetic
energy captive in transverse electromagnetic oscillation being propelled
by<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B><U>a lesser
amount</U></B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>of
translational kinetic energy, such as the kinetic energy making up the
rest mass of an electron, plus the transversely oscillating half of its
carrier-photon's kinetic energy, both quantities being propelled by the
unidirectional half of the carrier-photon's quantum of kinetic energy.
The velocity of such a system will mandatorily lie between zero and
asymptotically close to the speed of light."</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>This
is the one logical possible other reference that I have
identified.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPAN>Best
Regards</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">--- André Michaud<BR>GSJournal
admin</SPAN><BR><A style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://www.gsjournal.net/" moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">http://www.gsjournal.net/</SPAN></A><BR><A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="http://www.srpinc.org/" moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">http://www.srpinc.org/</SPAN></A><BR><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><I>On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45
-0700, Richard Gauthier wrote:</I><BR><BR>Forwarded from Chip<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">Begin forwarded
message:<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, sans-serif">From:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, sans-serif">"Chip Akins" <</SPAN><A
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, sans-serif">chipakins@gmail.com</SPAN></A><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, sans-serif">></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, sans-serif">Subject: [General]
Relativity</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, sans-serif">Date:<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, sans-serif">October 31, 2017 at 6:46:19
AM PDT</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Hi
Grahame (and Andre)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>A
while back, we briefly discussed the idea that SR is not “logically
self-consistent” even though many conclude that it is mathematically
self-consistent.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Regarding
logical self-consistent issues…<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>In
order to address this point I think we would need to take a look at
the “landscape” as it relates to
“relativity”.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>While
doing this, if we look at causes, which is to say that we use the
concept of cause-and-effect as our guiding principle, as you have
properly stressed, we can come to logical conclusions which simply do
not agree with SR in all details.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>So
we can take a look at many of the known conditions to guide the
development of a composite view of the causes for
“relativity”.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Sound
waves travel through a medium. Sound waves exhibit the Doppler Effect
simply because they travel at a “fixed” speed through a “homogeneous”
medium, regardless of the velocity of the object emitting the
waves.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Light
also exhibits the Doppler Effect in
space.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>So
there is an indication that some similarities may exist between the
causes of the Doppler Effect in sound and in
light.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Einstein
stated that “<I>light is propagated in empty space with a velocity c
which is independent of the motion of the source</I>”, which is an
incomplete statement, logically inconsistent, because the<I>velocity c
in empty space</I>has no meaning, unless we use the fixed frame of
space, or some other reference, as the logical reference for that
velocity. A velocity simply must be stated in reference to
something.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Einstein
also stated that, “<I>Absolute uniform motion cannot be detected by
any means.</I>” Which is indicated by experiment as well. So no
problem here.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>And
he then followed with the assertion that “<I>This is to say that the
concept of absolute rest and the ether have no meaning.</I>”
(<I>Paraphrased</I>)<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>This
second conclusion is<I>not</I>fully logically supported by the
evidence presented, and is logically inconsistent with the assertion
that “<I>light is propagated in empty space with a velocity c which is
independent of the motion of the source</I>”. There are alternate
interpretations of this evidence which are more causal and logical
than this.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>First,
our inability to measure something does not necessarily make it
meaningless. There are a myriad examples we can give of things which
we cannot directly measure, but we have come to accept, because of
indirect evidence which stipulates their
existence.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>We
can however, from the evidence, reconstruct a set of conditions, which
is causal, and yields results which match
observation.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>For
example, if light is made of “stuff” that propagates through a fixed
frame of space at c, and if matter is made of confined versions of the
same “stuff” also propagating (in confinement) at c in a fixed frame
of space, then we would have exactly this set of circumstances. We
would not be able to detect our motion through space by using an
apparatus like the Michelson-Morley experiment. Note: This approach
does not relegate as meaningless anything which may in fact be quite
important.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>But
if “<I>the concept of absolute rest and the ether have no
meaning.”</I>Then how do we explain<I>“light is propagated in empty
space with a velocity c which is independent of the motion of the
source”</I>and the resultant Doppler Effect when a moving object emits
light?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>While
I am fully aware of the explanation that EM radiation is represented
by vector “fields”, and that they somehow could propagate through an
empty space at a fixed velocity justified only by the math. That is a
less satisfactory answer logically because it does not
present<I>physical</I>cause. This consideration, and the Doppler
Effect, coupled with the underlying physical cause mentioned above,
for us not being able to detect our own motion through space, yields
two logically consistent reasons for looking at space as a sort of
medium, with a “fixed” frame.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Lorentz
transformations are a natural result of the situation mentioned above
regarding the constitution of light a matter. These transformations
are required under the circumstances where light and matter are made
of the same “stuff” and that stuff moves at the fixed speed c in a
fixed frame of space. This all occurs in a 3 dimensional Euclidian
space.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>So
there is a more logically consistent, causal view, than the one
proposed by SR.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>When
we run the math describing the situation where space is a medium in
which the propagation of disturbances is a fixed velocity, and light
and matter are made of these disturbances, we obtain the set of
Lorentz transformations, and cause for “relativity” is shown,
precisely and clearly. This is a logically consistent basis, and one
which shows cause. In contrast to SR, which is a different
interpretation of the same starting information, but does not show
cause, and does not appear to be as logically
consistent.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Are
there ways to present this and related information which better
illustrates the case from a logical
basis?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><SPAN>Thoughts?<O:P></O:P></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV
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