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<h4 style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:
0in" class=""><span style="font-weight: normal;" class=""> I also think that
there is “an additional factor” that settles an electron into an atomic
resonant state. In my view the electron is composed of this additional factor,
a charged superluminal energy quantum that circulates and generates quantum waves having the
de Broglie wavelength. These quantum waves self-resonate in regions around an
atomic nucleus. When an available resonant region around an atomic nucleus is
found, the superluminal energy quantum settles into this region and continues
to emit quantum waves that for some period of time maintain it in this resonance state in the atom.
The electron is more likely to be detected wherever the amplitude of this resonant state (the electron’s eigenfunction for this state) is larger. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></h4>
<h4 style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:9.0pt;margin-left:
0in" class=""><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="">
This idea is not fully developed but is hinted at in “</span><span style="color: rgb(35, 35, 35); font-weight: normal;" class="">Transluminal
Energy Quantum Model of a Spin-½ Charged Photon Composing an Electron”,</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class=""> </span><span style="color: rgb(35, 35, 35); background-color: white; font-weight: normal; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">“Electrons
Are Spin</span><span style="color: rgb(35, 35, 35); font-weight: normal;" class="">-½ </span><span style="color: rgb(35, 35, 35); background-color: white; font-weight: normal; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">Charged Photons Generating the de
Broglie Wavelength”,</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class=""> “</span><span style="color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-weight: normal;" class="">The Charged-Photon Model of the
Electron Fits the Schrödinger Equation</span><span style="font-weight: normal;" class="">” and
“</span><span style="color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-weight: normal;" class="">The Charged-Photon
Model of the Electron, the de Broglie Wavelength, and a New Interpretation of
Quantum Mechanics" at <a href="https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research%23papers" class="">https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research#papers</a>.
What I called a charged photon in theses articles I am now calling a charged
half-photon.</span><span style="color: rgb(35, 35, 35); font-weight: normal;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></h4><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(26, 26, 26); font-weight: normal;" class=""> Richard</span></div>
<!--EndFragment--><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> <br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 23, 2017, at 8:52 AM, André Michaud <<a href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org" class="">srp2@srpinc.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="userStyles" style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt;"><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi Chip, and all</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">You write: "</span></span></span><i class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="" class="">I prefer the second option, there is some additional factor interacting with the electron, to cause these quantized orbitals, and understand from Andre’s writings that he feels the same way.</span></i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">"</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">You are exactly right about what I think. I came to the same conclusion as yourself (the second option) way back in fact when I finally lighted up to the fact that the wave function originally was related to electrons orbitals by Schrödinger because he was inspired in this direction by a conclusion of de Broglie that electrons had to be captive in some form of resonance state about nuclei.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I think that this was sort of lost sight of in the community due to the acrimonious debate that raged on afterwards between the proponents of the Copenhagen school and the determinists, which indeed was fundamentally whether the first or second option applied in physical reality.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">After I came to the second option conclusion, I started to look around for descriptions of this resonance state that could be related to the wave function but found nothing, as if the only option that had been explored was the first one, with which the Heisenberg solution was in harmony and also later Feynman's path integral.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">To me, the idea of "resonance" always made me think of a vibrating guitar string, whose shape and extent of the volume visited by the transversally oscillating string can be described by the wave function. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I suspected that this might have been what de Broglie had in mind also, and became convinced that the electron could remain localized while being captive within the theoretical volume defined by the wave function, on an axial resonance trajectory (sort of stochastic maybe to some extent) that may be describable mathematically and that could be due to electric versus magnetic interaction between the electron and the nuclei.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I see that you lean in a similar direction Chip. I have explored the possible electric vs magnetic potential explanation to a large extent, but I am at a loss as to how to exactly mathematize the localized resonance trajectory proper within the volume definable by the wave function. You seem to be better equipped mathematically than me to address such an issue, with your<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span><span style="" class="">¼ de Broglie wavelength</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">exploration.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">For a general overview of how the trispatial geometry allows defining this type of electromagnetic electron equilibrium states involving both electric and magnetic aspects of energy, here is my final paper on the whole concept:</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a href="https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/gravitation-quantum-mechanics-and-the-least-action-electromagneticequilibrium-states-2329-6542-1000152.pdf" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/gravitation-quantum-mechanics-and-the-least-action-electromagneticequilibrium-states-2329-6542-1000152.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Even though it involves an entirely new paradigm that may feel very unfamiliar at first, I hope it nevertheless makes some sense to you.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 16.866666793823242px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span style="line-height: 18.399999618530273px;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Best Regards</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><footer class="signatureDivContainer"><footer class="signatureContainer" style="display: inline;">---<br class="">André Michaud<br class="">GSJournal admin<br class=""><a href="http://www.gsjournal.net/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.gsjournal.net/</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.srpinc.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.srpinc.org/</a></footer></footer><footer class="replyforwardcontainer"><br class=""><br class=""><span class="">On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 05:16:52 -0600, "Chip Akins"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><chipakins@gmail.com class="">wrote:</chipakins@gmail.com></span><br class=""><br class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Hi All<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">But in all this, regarding de Broglie’s wavelength and the electron orbitals, there is still something missing.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Either we have to assume that the electron occupies the entire circumference of the orbital simultaneously by its wavefunction, or there is some additional factor interacting with the electron, to cause these quantized orbitals.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">I prefer the second option, there is some additional factor interacting with the electron, to cause these quantized orbitals, and understand from Andre’s writings that he feels the same way.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">In the hydrogen atom there is a simple, naturally occurring cause, for a “matter wave” which is exactly ¼ the de Broglie wavelength. This “matter wave” is a beat frequency created by the perceived frequency difference with motion, of the outer radius and inner radius of the electron as it circulates about the proton. I found this to be interesting, and wanted to share this observation.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Chip<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>André Michaud<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:52 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] Compton and de Broglie wavelengththe "error"<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Hello John,<br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">You are absolutely right.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""><span style="" class="">In fact de Broglie derived this relation with respect to the values of the Bohr ground state orbit energy parameters.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""><span style="" class="">Heisenberg did the same, except that he formulated the relation so that it could account for a precision drift of the chosen velocity on either side of the selected velocity value about the ground orbit of the Bohr atom.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""><span style="" class="">In 1923, he himself expressed his uncertainty principle as delta_x delta_p equal-or-larger-than h, which is the same as delta_x approx_equal to h / (m delta_v_x), which is fundamentally de Broglie's single valued h/mv for the Bohr ground state orbit.</span><br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">This is at the origin of Heisenberg's statistical solution.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Best Regards ---<br class="">André Michaud<br class="">GSJournal admin<br class=""><a href="http://www.gsjournal.net/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.gsjournal.net/</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.srpinc.org/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.srpinc.org/</a><br class=""><br class="">On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 03:17:31 +0000, John Williamson wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Albrecht,<br class=""><br class="">Your error is more fundamental than you know. See below in green.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%" class=""></div><div id="divRpF178154" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>General [<a href="mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] on behalf of Viv Robinson [<a href="mailto:viv@universephysics.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">viv@universephysics.com</a>]<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:49 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Albrecht Giese; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General] Compton and de Broglie wavelengththe "error"</span><br class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div id="bloop_customfont" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Albrecht,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="bloop_customfont" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="bloop_customfont" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">IMHO you have a fundamental flaw in your first paragraph below. A single electron cannot generate an interference pattern, any more than can a single photon. An observer moving with a single electron will, if the screen is angled towards him, see only a single spot where the electron impinged upon that screen. That is all. If he repeats that observation say 10,000 times he will still only see on spot each time the electron impinges upon the screen. If the spots are recorded, each time he travels with another electron he will see an interference image slowly appear because it is dependent upon the frame of reference of the slit and screen. The motion of the observer does not interfere with that pattern.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="bloop_customfont" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="bloop_customfont" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Sincerely<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="bloop_customfont" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div id="bloop_customfont" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Vivian Robinson<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div id="bloop_sign_1511389963683457792" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">On 23 November 2017 at 8:24:21 AM, Albrecht Giese (<a href="mailto:phys@a-giese.de" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">phys@a-giese.de</a>) wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Dear André,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">the "error" which I see for de Broglie is his assumed relation lambda = h / momentum .<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="color: green;" class="">Your error, and this is an error not an "error" is that you assume that de Broglie "assumed lambda = h / momentum. Louis de Broglie did not assume lambda = h / momentum - he derived it. From relativity. Please do not assume what you think other people assume. Remember, de Broglie was very smart, and this relation had to come from somewhere, no? It would be instructive for you to understand the how and why he did this before making uninformed comments on it.</span><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">This relation fails at any linear transformation. Take as an example the scattering of electrons at a multi-slit. If you look at it from the rest frame of the multi-slit then de Broglie's wavelength describes correctly the generated interference pattern. However, if this situation is observed by someone moving at the side of the electron the result is completely wrong. Assume as an extreme situation that the observer moves together with the electron. Then in the frame of the observer the electron has the momentum = 0 and so the wavelength is infinite. This means: no interference! But the pattern does of course not disappear and will be visible to the observer. This shows that de Broglie does not even fulfil Galileo's physical rule of relativity believed and proven since 600 years.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Regarding the particle mass: My equation is simple: m = h(bar) / (c*R) , where R is the radius of the particle. And R can be easily determined by use of the known magnetic momentum of the particle.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">The mag. momentum of a circling elementary charge is classically: mm = (1/2)*c*e<sub class="">0</sub>*R<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">The mag. moment of particles is known. So, R can be determined. This R inserted into the equation above yields the particle mass with an accuracy of about 10<sup class="">-3</sup>. - This is now based only on the strong force. If the result is corrected by the influence of the electrical charge, this yields the Landé factor in case of the electron. This applied yields the mass with an accuracy of 2*10<sup class="">-6</sup>.<br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">References for this are:<a href="http://www.ag-physics.org/rmass" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.ag-physics.org/rmass</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and<a href="http://www.ag-physics.org/electron" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.ag-physics.org/electron</a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class="">Hope this explains it. Otherwise please ask.<br class=""><br class="">Albrecht<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><a href="http://airmail.calendar/2017-11-18%2022:54:00%20AEST" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Am 18.11.2017 um 22:54</a>schrieb André Michaud:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dear Albrecht,</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I must say that I don't see as "errors" conclusions that were drawn before more precise knowledge was discovered. For example, I don't think that Newton made an "error" by not immediately concluding to the possibility the fixed velocity of light. He simply did not know about it because this had not yet been discovered.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The same for de Broglie in my opinion, he worked with the knowledge available a the time.</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As i understand it, what we call the de Broglie wave is simply a representation of the sum of the energies of the rest mass of the electron plus the translational energy related to its momentum. How can this be wrong at the general level, unless I misunderstand the whole concept?</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">As for Hönl and the mass of the electron, I was meaning this rhetorically. I simply mean that any solution that exactly provides the exact mass of the electron as experimentally measured by numerous means can only be a proper description, so your description has to be correct. The exact mass of the electron has been experimentally confirmed for over 1 century. I do not know where to look to examine your solution. Can you provide a link?</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">---<br class="">André Michaud<br class="">GSJournal admin<br class=""><a href="http://www.gsjournal.net/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.gsjournal.net/</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.srpinc.org/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://www.srpinc.org/</a><br class=""><br class=""><i class=""><a href="http://airmail.calendar/2017-11-19%2006:56:34%20AEST" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 21:56:34 +0100</a>, Albrecht Giese wrote:</i><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Dear André,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">there is no doubt that de Broglie has made great contributions to the development of physics. So, if there is an anniversary in honour of him and even the Nobel price, then as many as possible of his achievements are of course presented.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">My concern, however, refers to a specific result of his early activities. The assumed necessity to introduce the "harmony of waves" and to deduce the "de Broglie" wavelength are based on a logical error and on a misunderstanding of SR.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">It is a quite funny situation that in spite of this error his result seems usable to explain certain physical processes. It is one goal of my physical activities to understand this. In one fundamental case I have found an explanation. That is the scattering of electrons at a double / multiple slit. If such experiment is viewed from a specific inertial frame (the one normally used), de Brolgie's calculation conforms to the measurement. However in any other frame it fails. - I can explain why the de Broglie wave seems to work even though it is erroneous. (Not here but I can give you a reference if you want it.)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Regarding Hönl I do not understand what you say. Hönl did NOT get a correct mass by assuming only the electrical force in the electron. He was wrong by a factor of about 300 as I wrote earlier. But the calculation which I did is correct with high precision and the formula does not have any free parameters, only the standard ones. I do not know any other model which has this. Do you? Then please give me a reference.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Best regards<br class="">Albrecht<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org" style="color: purple; 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