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    <p>A friend of mine sent me this interesting article regarding
      Einstein's take on the ether <br>
    </p>
    <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Journal%20Reprints-Relativity%20Theory/Download/3313">http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Journal%20Reprints-Relativity%20Theory/Download/3313</a></p>
    <p>Perhaps his theories have been misunderstood by those who follow,
      wouldn't be the first time</p>
    <p>Wolf<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/2017 3:40 AM, Dr Grahame
      Blackwell wrote:<br>
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      <div><font size="2"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000080">Hi
              Richard, <span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, Wolf,
                and All,</span></font></font></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, I'm delighted that others,
            too, are now coming to this conclusion.  I don't feel that
            your conclusion is really in any way different from mine -
            my perception of the situation is pretty much identical to
            yours.  The difference lies, not in how we perceive the
            situation, but in what we are describing.  I have described
            the actuality of the totality of wavefronts at any given
            instant, you have (as I understand it) described the
            experience of that totality as it is mediated/filtered by
            our physical senses and interpreted by the brain; this
            matches exactly how I see our assimilation of data from our
            immersive environment (though I would say the whole brain
            rather than just neocortex - since limbic system, reptilian
            brain, etc all contribute to our picture of the reality that
            we inhabit [including our own body]).</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In other writings I have proposed
            that experience of its environment by, for example, a bat
            would be radically different from our own, since its
            internal 'preprocessor logic' would be dealing with quite a
            different set of inputs: presumably a bat has a major part
            of its brain given over to processing sound signals to
            produce a picture of its surroundings, comparable to that
            produced by our visual cortex; it would be ludicrous to
            suppose that a bat would have to figure out what incoming
            sound signals meant in terms of the topography of the
            fast-moving 'terrain' around it.  Similarly for IR sensors
            in a snake, and all sorts of other sensors in fish etc.</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Richard, I fully agree that our
            sense of 'now' must surely be a 'moving sample' of short
            duration - I believe this has been shown to be the case by
            research, also point sources would not allow for
            extrapolation of meaningful observations (e.g. a colour must
            necessarily require at least a fragment of wave in order to
            identify frequency - this is part of the role of sensors,
            which must therefore have a 'time-sampling' element about
            them .. . . which we know to be the case since photon
            absorption itself takes a finite time).</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I also agree, without question,
            that the Pythagorean relationship between time-experience,
            velocity and c is a more appropriate representation if the
            interrelationship between these qualities than the
            hyperbolic relationship - this has been a central tenet of
            all that I've published on this subject over the past 20
            years.  It was for some time a puzzle to me why people would
            choose to favour the complexity of the hyperbolic model over
            the clear (and clean) reality of the Pythagorean description
            - I liken it to choosing to opt for the Greeks' epicycloids
            for orbits in a geocentric system rather than the elliptical
            orbits of a heliocentric system.  I concluded (and
            calculated) after a while that it's all down to appearances
            (for us as for the Greeks): the Pythagorean relationship,
            coupled with other real-world phenomena such as
            electromagnetic foreshortening of objects in motion, leads a
            moving observer to experience the illusion of a fully
            reciprocal relationship - considering themself to be at
            rest, the observer will experience the illusion that others
            in different states of motion (including the objective
            rest-state) are in fact subject to 'relativistic' effects. 
            As I keep saying, SR is an observer effect.</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This in turn leads to the
            illusion of full reciprocity - the equivalence (and so also
            symmetry) of all intertial 'frames'.  The hyperbolic model
            is fully symmetric, whereas the Pythagorean is not.  If one
            chooses to go with the illusion rather than (I contend)
            objective reality then, just as the Greeks allowed their
            illusion to dictate a more complex model of the universe, so
            do we (collectively - with some exceptions).</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Clearly the hyperbolic model is
            faithful to observation and measurement - this is a point
            that I have always stressed - since all observers and
            measuring instruments are subject to this 'illusion'
            (measurements by instruments will be affected by the helical
            nature of the energy-flows forming their constituent
            particles); in this respect of course that model is hugely
            useful - one might say absolutely essential.  However, to
            then on that basis attribute to objective reality the
            metaphysical property of 'frame symmetry' - leading, for
            example, to the same train actually BEING (not just seeming
            to be) different lengths depending on whether one is on the
            train, watching it from the track-side or observing it from
            a high-speed aircraft - makes as much sense to me as the
            notion that planets ARE in fact bouncing around a complex
            path akin to the path of a fly on the rim of a bicycle wheel
            being rolled around the outside of a large drum!  I
            reiterate, in BOTH cases I believe that finding causation
            for such claimed properties could be hugely difficult!</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One might ask: if the observed
            data fits the hyperbolic model so well, why am I (and
            others) so sure that the Pythagorean model fits the true
            reality?  My answer is one word: Occam.  The Pythagorean
            model requires NO additional explanation for ALL observed
            effects other than known physical properties, including the
            now well-attested principle that particles of matter are (or
            at least can be) formed from photons of electromagnetic
            energy; by contrast, just an explanation of how a railway
            train obligingly adjusts its length to simultaneously suit a
            passenger, a track-worker and a jet pilot so that frame
            symmetry is not breached could involve quite a few
            as-yet-unknown (and unimaginable!) properties of material
            reality.  (That 'causation' thing again.)</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I need to reiterate: THIS
            MATTERS!  It matters absolutely hugely!  (Mainstream)
            Physics is at present (I would contend) stuck in a
            cul-de-sac of its own making, unable to move forward on such
            crucial matters as fundamentals of gravitation as it insists
            on finding a frame-independent formulation.  Releasing that
            self-imposed constraint would free things up absolutely
            phenomenally!</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm actually finding this
            discussion very exciting!  We're now talking about the role
            of the observer, and of the consciousness of that observer,
            in the process.  This, to me, is a major step forward.</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks guys!</span></font></div>
      <div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Grahame</span></font></div>
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            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
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        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
          black"><b>From:</b> <a title="richgauthier@gmail.com"
            href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Richard
            Gauthier</a> </div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
            title="srp2@srpinc.org" href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">srp2@srpinc.org</a> ; <a
            title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
            href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
            moz-do-not-send="true">Nature of Light and Particles -
            General Discussion</a> </div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 06,
          2017 6:55 PM</div>
        <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General]
          Relativity</div>
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          <div>Hi Grahame, <span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, Wolf,
              Chip and others,</span></div>
          <div><font face="Arial">   I also have a sense that our
              experienced sense of “now” (which is probably not a
              mathematical point in time but a very short experienced
              interval which could be different for different people) is
              related to the speed of light. The best objective measure
              of experienced time that I know of is one's “wristwatch
              time” or proper time tau, which moves with a person or
              object and indicates passing moments of “now” for that
              person or object (c tau is zero for a photon). Several
              people, the first I think being Lewis Carroll Epstein in
              his 1981 book “Relativity Visualized”, discovered that
              proper time tau (or rather c tau)  can be the 4th
              orthogonal dimension on a Minkowski-type diagram, rather
              than coordinate time t (or ct) in the usual
              Minkowski spacetime diagram. This approach simplifies
              Minkowski diagram math (from hyperbolic to pythagorean),
              removes the need for light cones, and also suggests the
              idea that every person (or object with mass) is traveling
              through time at light-speed, whether standing still or
              moving.  Please see "</font>Relativity Simplified by
            Modified Minkowski Metric Spacetime and Momentum-Energy
            Diagrams” at <a href="https://richardgauthier.academia.edu"
              moz-do-not-send="true">https://richardgauthier.academia.edu</a> .</div>
          <div>       Richard</div>
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            <div>On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:48 AM, André Michaud <<a
                href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org" moz-do-not-send="true">srp2@srpinc.org</a>>
              wrote:</div>
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                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">Hi
                            Grahame,</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">You
                            write "</span></span><i><span
                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i><i><span
                            style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                              style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">At any given
                              instant in time a snapshot of the physical
                              state of the universe is given by the
                              totality of the leading edges (or
                              wavefronts) of the electromagnetic energy
                              flows that make up all the particles and
                              free energies in the universe at that time</span></span></i><span
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                            style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">I
                            must say that I also drew converging
                            conclusions with regard to time, and so did
                            a group of European researchers.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">You
                            might be interested in an article published
                            last year by Amrit Sorli et al. analyzing
                            what Einstein called the "NOW" moment, title
                            "Cosmology of Einstein's NOW":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><a
                              style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION:
                              underline"
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">My
                            personal conclusion is only slightly
                            different from yours, as I would formulate
                            this idea as:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"> "</span></span><i><span
                            style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                              style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>At
                              any given instant in time each of us
                              records in his neocortex what his senses
                              let him perceive of  the physical state of
                              the universe given by the totality of the
                              leading edges (or wavefronts) of the
                              electromagnetic energy flows that make up
                              all the particles and free energies in the
                              universe at that instant of time</span></span></i><span
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                            style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">Each
                            of us thus internally builds a personal,
                            thus subjective, model of what is occurring
                            in physical reality as the "present moment"
                            progresses, which "present moment" is the
                            only moment that we can be aware of.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">My
                            own conclusions in this regard can be found
                            in Section "8. The Time Dimension" of this
                            article, titled "</span></span><span
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                            style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">On the Birth of
                            the Universe and the Time Dimension in the
                            3-Spaces Model</span></span><span
                          style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                            style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
                  Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                    style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
                      16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
                        sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                          lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><a
                              style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION:
                              underline"
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
                <span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
                    style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                      Calibri, sans-serif">Best Regards</span></span></span><br>
                 
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                  <footer class="replyforwardcontainer">André<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <i>On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:08:29 -0000, "Dr Grahame
                      Blackwell"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><grahame@starweave.com>wrote:</grahame@starweave.com></i><br>
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                  [et al.],</font></div>
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                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
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              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">I have
                  no doubt that time is a subjective experience of
                  consciousness - that, as you say, the speed of light
                  is in fact the speed at which consciousness moves
                  through 'instants' of reality, i.e. as you put it: "<font
                    size="3" face="Times New Roman">Einstein's constant
                    becomes<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
                      size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">[IS, in
                      fact]</font>the speed of each observer's "Now".</font>"</font></div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
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                0px"> </div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">I first
                  presented this view myself 10 years ago in an article
                  in published the journal of the Scientific &
                  Medical Network [Network Review, Issue 95, Dec 2007],
                  in the following words:</font></div>
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              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
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                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px">
                <p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
                  FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE:
                  12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><b><u><span
                            style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">The Role of
                            Consciousness in Time Perception</span></u></b></font></font></p>
                <p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
                  FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE:
                  12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
                        style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">At any given
                        instant in time a snapshot of the physical state
                        of the universe is given by the totality of the
                        leading edges (or wavefronts) of the
                        electromagnetic energy flows that make up all
                        the particles and free energies in the universe
                        at that time. (In passing it's worth noting that
                        this may have a bearing on Heisenberg's
                        Uncertainty Principle, since the 'position' of a
                        fundamental sub-atomic particle will at that
                        instant be reduced to a single point in the
                        cyclic path of the energy flow forming that
                        particle – which will vary in position and
                        direction at different points in that cycle.)</span></font></font></p>
                <p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
                  FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE:
                  12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
                        style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">As time progresses
                        successive snapshots will be given by
                        corresponding advances in each of those energy
                        flows. From the point of view of an eternal
                        observer, unhampered by the temporal limitation
                        of observing only one instant at a time, each of
                        those energy flows will form a continuous thread
                        weaving its way through space as it also
                        progresses through what we call 'time'.</span></font></font></p>
                <p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
                  FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE:
                  12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
                        style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">Almost certainly
                        our perception of three-dimensional space is a
                        consciousness-mapping of some deeper reality,
                        but since we're built to think in these terms it
                        makes sense to visualise that succession of
                        snapshots by some spatial analogy. A common
                        model is to think of a succession of frames from
                        a cine film or video recording, but this tends
                        to lose the continuity of those energy flows.
                        Perhaps a better model is that of a
                        four-dimensional spherical crystal, growing
                        outwards from the centre as time progresses
                        (though of course from the eternal perspective
                        that crystal simply<span
                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>is</i></b>).</span></font></font></p>
                <p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
                  FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE:
                  12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
                        style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">Each instant in
                        time is then an infinitely thin
                        three-dimensional layer of that hypersphere,
                        like the layers of an onion. The strands of
                        light-energy snake outwards from the Source at
                        the centre, weaving their intricate patterns of
                        successive instants of reality in
                        synchronisation with one another as they shape
                        our ongoing cosmic destiny. Consciousness,
                        flowing outward from the Source at the speed of
                        light, experiences successive layers of this
                        amazing hypersphere of light as instants of
                        being, each perfect in its own way.</span></font></font></p>
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                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">"</font></div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"> </div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">[If
                  others think this crazy (as they may), I invite them
                  to consider observations by Planck and<span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                    class="st">Schrödinger</span><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on
                  consciousness, which they both considered to bethe
                  fundamental driving force of the universe.]</font></div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"> </div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">I'd
                  agree also that "<font size="3" face="Times New Roman">the
                    speed of light is constant for every observer
                    because it is tied to the material which generates
                    the space of that observer</font>" [and, of course,
                  that observer themself]. This is totally consistent
                  with the logical observation that the
                  'time-experience' of that observer will itself be
                  affected by those energy flows and the rate at which
                  they pass through/around the observer (and any
                  instruments they may use) - and so the time-experience
                  of any observer/instrument will be tied to its state
                  of motion ("reference frame") exactly in accordance
                  with the findings of SR.</font></div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"> </div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
                12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">I.e. SR
                  is an observer effect caused by the variation in
                  cyclic-to-linear ratio of energy flows in an
                  observer's 'reference frame' affecting the rate at
                  which consciousness experiences the passage of time.</font></div>
              <div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
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                0px"> </div>
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                normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
                0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">Grahame</font></div>
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              <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,128) 2px solid;
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                <div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message
                  -----</div>
                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); FONT:
                  10pt arial"><b>From:</b><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
                    title="wolf@nascentinc.com"
                    href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">Wolfgang Baer</a></div>
                <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                    style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
                    title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists...natureoflightandparticles.org</a></div>
                <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                  November 05, 2017 10:43 PM</div>
                <div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span
                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General]
                  Relativity</div>
                <div> </div>
                <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                  MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">At
                  the risk of both repeating and sounding crazy</p>
                <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                  MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">I've
                  been developing a theory of physics that includes
                  subjective experiences and identifies a background
                  space with every observer</p>
                <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                  MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">It
                  would then seem that the speed of light is constant
                  for every observer because it is tied to the material
                  which generates the space of that observer. If we look
                  at the relationship between observer and the reference
                  frame and realize the reference frame defines the
                  space for that observer Einstein's constant becomes
                  the speed of each observers "Now"</p>
                <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                  MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">I
                  have a paper for the Vigier conference tat explores
                  this possibility which I will send if interest exists</p>
                <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                  MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">Wolf</p>
                <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2017 12:37 PM,
                  André Michaud wrote:</div>
                <blockquote
                  cite="mid:201711031937.vA3JbwYW009823@mail68c0.megamailservers.com"
                  type="cite">
                  <div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
                    class="userStyles">
                    <p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
                      New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span
                          style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><span
                              style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                                style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span
                                  style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif">Hi Chip,</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
                    <p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
                      New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span
                          style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><span
                              style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                                style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span
                                  style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif">I indeed see what you mean.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
                    <p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
                      New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
                        style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span
                          style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><span
                              style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
                                style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span
                                  style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',
                                  serif">Since the constant velocity of
                                  light is established in such certain
                                  terms as an absolute velocity, what
                                  actually came to my mind was the idea
                                  of possibly establishing the
                                  asymptotic speed of light itself as
                                  the absolute reference with respect to
                                  which all motion could be measured.</span></span></span></span></span><br>
                        <br>
                        I'll have a look at Albrecht's work.</span></p>
                    <br>
                    André<br>
                    <br>
                    <i>On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:25:40 -0500, "Chip Akins"<span
                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><chipakins@gmail.com>wrote:</chipakins@gmail.com></i><br>
                    <br>
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                          Andre (and Albrecht) and All<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>I
                          think that if Einstein’s statement “<i>light
                            is propagated in empty space with a velocity
                            c which is independent of the motion of the
                            source</i>” is true, then the only reference
                          which makes any sense is the frame of space
                          itself. It is implicit within the statement
                          that the reference frame for this velocity is
                          space itself. Lorentz argued that there must
                          be a fixed frame of space for these same
                          reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>What
                          we observe is exactly compatible with this
                          concept, that there is a fixed frame of space,
                          and that we are not able to measure our motion
                          relative to that fixed frame because matter is
                          made of confined propagating energy which
                          moves at the same velocity as light. Then, in
                          a Euclidian three dimensional space, we would
                          experience the exact transformations Lorentz
                          suggested are required. As a result we would
                          always measure the speed of light to be the
                          same speed. In this causal form of relativity
                          there is no room for the supposition that all
                          motion is relative. For motion is, in such a
                          situation, relative to the frame of space.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>The
                          impulse which is momentum (a specific force
                          for a finite time) is quite compatible, it
                          seems, with your concept of the importance of
                          kinetic energy in the behavior of propagating
                          disturbances which make up all particles.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>One
                          reason I am interested in the kinetic energy
                          analysis is because it would be nice to better
                          understand the subject of momentum as it
                          refers to the propagation of energy through
                          space. I think it would be helpful if we
                          understood the mechanisms which create this
                          momentum.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                        'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>Albrecht
                          has done some work in this area, using a novel
                          approach which evaluates the behavior of
                          “extended bodies” in space, which is also very
                          interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif;
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                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>André
                              Michaud [<a style="COLOR: purple;
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                              <b>Sent:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                              November 03, 2017 11:23 AM<br>
                              <b>To:</b><span
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                              <b>Cc:</b><span
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                              <b>Subject:</b><span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                              Fwd: [General] Relativity<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                      <div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                      <div>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>Hi
                            Chip,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,
                            sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                          MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>I
                            have been thinking about what you wrote
                            here:</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,
                            sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                          MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>"Einstein
                            stated that “<i>light is propagated in empty
                              space with a velocity c which is
                              independent of the motion of the source</i>”,
                            which is an incomplete statement, logically
                            inconsistent, because<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>the<i><span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>velocity
                                c in empty space<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>has
                              no meaning, unless we use the fixed frame
                              of space, or some other reference, as the
                              logical reference for that velocity.</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>A
                            velocity simply must be stated in reference
                            to something."</span><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>My
                            own view on this hinges on the kinetic
                            energy viewpoint that you seem to have taken
                            an interest in.</span><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                          MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>On
                            page 14 of my paper on the de Broglie photon
                            hypothesis, you will find my take on this
                            issue, which relates the "<b>some other
                              logical reference</b>" that you mention,
                            to the physical presence of momentum related
                            translational kinetic energy:</span><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
                          MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>"Now
                            this brings up the old issue of what this<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                            lang="EN-CA">"</span><span>equilibrium</span><span
                            lang="EN-CA">"<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>constant
                            velocity of photons in vacuum (free moving
                            kinetic energy) is relative to in reality.
                            Is it relative to the medium? To the point
                            of emission? To the point of absorption? To
                            the observer? To this or that reference
                            frame, or multiple reference frames,
                            inertial, non inertial, Galilean, moving or
                            not, etc.?</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                            Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>A
                            deeply ingrained habit has developed since
                            the beginning of the 20th century to
                            hypothesize various reference frames in
                            attempts to make sense of the experimentally
                            observed data. But in physical reality,
                            velocity depends on only one criterion: the
                            actual presence of translational kinetic
                            energy. If translational kinetic energy is
                            present and if the local electromagnetic
                            equilibrium allows it, there will be
                            velocity in vacuum, relative to there being
                            absence of translational kinetic energy,
                            irrespective of any hypothesized reference
                            frame or frames.<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><u><span>The
                              absolute lower velocity limit</span></u><span>,
                            as seen from this perspective, would be an
                            electron possessing zero translational
                            kinetic energy in excess the energy making
                            up its rest mass. Of course, such an
                            electron totally deprived of translational
                            kinetic energy can only be theoretical,
                            because all massive particles are subject to
                            gravitational or electrostatic acceleration
                            in physical reality from the moment they
                            start existing.<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><u><span>The
                              absolute upper velocity limit</span></u><span><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>involving
                            electromagnetic oscillation is reached when
                            an amount of translational (aka
                            unidirectional) kinetic energy propels<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>an
                                equal amount</u></b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
                            kinetic energy captive in transverse
                            electromagnetic oscillation, that is, a free
                            moving photon for example, as described in
                            this paper.<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><u><span>The
                              only other possible case</span></u><span><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>between
                            these two limits involving electromagnetic
                            oscillation, applies to an amount of kinetic
                            energy captive in transverse electromagnetic
                            oscillation being propelled by<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>a
                                lesser amount</u></b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
                            translational kinetic energy, such as the
                            kinetic energy making up the rest mass of an
                            electron, plus the transversely oscillating
                            half of its carrier-photon's kinetic energy,
                            both quantities being propelled by the
                            unidirectional half of the carrier-photon's
                            quantum of kinetic energy. The velocity of
                            such a system will mandatorily lie between
                            zero and asymptotically close to the speed
                            of light."</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                            Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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                          FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>This
                            is the one logical possible other reference
                            that I have identified.</span><span
                            style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        <p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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                            Regards</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
                            Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                            André Michaud<br>
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                          <span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><i>On
                              Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45 -0700, Richard
                              Gauthier wrote:</i><br>
                            <br>
                            Forwarded from Chip<span
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                                    sans-serif">From:<span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
                                  style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,
                                  sans-serif">"Chip Akins" <</span><a
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                                    style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,
                                    sans-serif">Subject: [General]
                                    Relativity</span></b><span
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>A while back, we briefly
                                    discussed the idea that SR is not
                                    “logically self-consistent” even
                                    though many conclude that it is
                                    mathematically self-consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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                                    self-consistent issues…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>In order to address this
                                    point I think we would need to take
                                    a look at the “landscape” as it
                                    relates to “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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                                  12pt"><span>While doing this, if we
                                    look at causes, which is to say that
                                    we use the concept of
                                    cause-and-effect as our guiding
                                    principle, as you have properly
                                    stressed, we can come to logical
                                    conclusions which simply do not
                                    agree with SR in all details.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>So we can take a look at
                                    many of the known conditions to
                                    guide the development of a composite
                                    view of the causes for “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                              <div>
                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>Sound waves travel through
                                    a medium. Sound waves exhibit the
                                    Doppler Effect simply because they
                                    travel at a “fixed” speed through a
                                    “homogeneous” medium, regardless of
                                    the velocity of the object emitting
                                    the waves.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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                                    Doppler Effect in space.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>So there is an indication
                                    that some similarities may exist
                                    between the causes of the Doppler
                                    Effect in sound and in light.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>Einstein stated that “<i>light
                                      is propagated in empty space with
                                      a velocity c which is independent
                                      of the motion of the source</i>”,
                                    which is an incomplete statement,
                                    logically inconsistent, because the<i>velocity
                                      c in empty space</i>has no
                                    meaning, unless we use the fixed
                                    frame of space, or some other
                                    reference, as the logical reference
                                    for that velocity. A velocity simply
                                    must be stated in reference to
                                    something.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>Einstein also stated that,
                                    “<i>Absolute uniform motion cannot
                                      be detected by any means.</i>”
                                    Which is indicated by experiment as
                                    well. So no problem here.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                                  'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE:
                                  12pt"><span>And he then followed with
                                    the assertion that “<i>This is to
                                      say that the concept of absolute
                                      rest and the ether have no
                                      meaning.</i>” (<i>Paraphrased</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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                                  12pt"><span>This second conclusion is<i>not</i>fully
                                    logically supported by the evidence
                                    presented, and is logically
                                    inconsistent with the assertion that
                                    “<i>light is propagated in empty
                                      space with a velocity c which is
                                      independent of the motion of the
                                      source</i>”. There are alternate
                                    interpretations of this evidence
                                    which are more causal and logical
                                    than this.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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                                  12pt"><span>First, our inability to
                                    measure something does not
                                    necessarily make it meaningless.
                                    There are a myriad examples we can
                                    give of things which we cannot
                                    directly measure, but we have come
                                    to accept, because of indirect
                                    evidence which stipulates their
                                    existence.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                              <div>
                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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                                  12pt"><span>We can however, from the
                                    evidence, reconstruct a set of
                                    conditions, which is causal, and
                                    yields results which match
                                    observation.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
                                  'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE:
                                  12pt"><span>For example, if light is
                                    made of “stuff” that propagates
                                    through a fixed frame of space at c,
                                    and if matter is made of confined
                                    versions of the same “stuff” also
                                    propagating (in confinement) at c in
                                    a fixed frame of space, then we
                                    would have exactly this set of
                                    circumstances. We would not be able
                                    to detect our motion through space
                                    by using an apparatus like the
                                    Michelson-Morley experiment. Note:
                                    This approach does not relegate as
                                    meaningless anything which may in
                                    fact be quite important.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>But if “<i>the concept of
                                      absolute rest and the ether have
                                      no meaning.”</i>Then how do we
                                    explain<i>“light is propagated in
                                      empty space with a velocity c
                                      which is independent of the motion
                                      of the source”</i>and the
                                    resultant Doppler Effect when a
                                    moving object emits light?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
                              </div>
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                                <div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
                                  MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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                                  12pt"><span>While I am fully aware of
                                    the explanation that EM radiation is
                                    represented by vector “fields”, and
                                    that they somehow could propagate
                                    through an empty space at a fixed
                                    velocity justified only by the math.
                                    That is a less satisfactory answer
                                    logically because it does not
                                    present<i>physical</i>cause. This
                                    consideration, and the Doppler
                                    Effect, coupled with the underlying
                                    physical cause mentioned above, for
                                    us not being able to detect our own
                                    motion through space, yields two
                                    logically consistent reasons for
                                    looking at space as a sort of
                                    medium, with a “fixed” frame.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                    are a natural result of the
                                    situation mentioned above regarding
                                    the constitution of light a matter.
                                    These transformations are required
                                    under the circumstances where light
                                    and matter are made of the same
                                    “stuff” and that stuff moves at the
                                    fixed speed c in a fixed frame of
                                    space. This all occurs in a 3
                                    dimensional Euclidian space.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                    logically consistent, causal view,
                                    than the one proposed by SR.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                    describing the situation where space
                                    is a medium in which the propagation
                                    of disturbances is a fixed velocity,
                                    and light and matter are made of
                                    these disturbances, we obtain the
                                    set of Lorentz transformations, and
                                    cause for “relativity” is shown,
                                    precisely and clearly. This is a
                                    logically consistent basis, and one
                                    which shows cause. In contrast to
                                    SR, which is a different
                                    interpretation of the same starting
                                    information, but does not show
                                    cause, and does not appear to be as
                                    logically consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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                                    this and related information which
                                    better illustrates the case from a
                                    logical basis?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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