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<p>A friend of mine sent me this interesting article regarding
Einstein's take on the ether <br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Journal%20Reprints-Relativity%20Theory/Download/3313">http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Journal%20Reprints-Relativity%20Theory/Download/3313</a></p>
<p>Perhaps his theories have been misunderstood by those who follow,
wouldn't be the first time</p>
<p>Wolf<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/7/2017 3:40 AM, Dr Grahame
Blackwell wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000080">Hi
Richard, <span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, Wolf,
and All,</span></font></font></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, I'm delighted that others,
too, are now coming to this conclusion. I don't feel that
your conclusion is really in any way different from mine -
my perception of the situation is pretty much identical to
yours. The difference lies, not in how we perceive the
situation, but in what we are describing. I have described
the actuality of the totality of wavefronts at any given
instant, you have (as I understand it) described the
experience of that totality as it is mediated/filtered by
our physical senses and interpreted by the brain; this
matches exactly how I see our assimilation of data from our
immersive environment (though I would say the whole brain
rather than just neocortex - since limbic system, reptilian
brain, etc all contribute to our picture of the reality that
we inhabit [including our own body]).</span></font></div>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In other writings I have proposed
that experience of its environment by, for example, a bat
would be radically different from our own, since its
internal 'preprocessor logic' would be dealing with quite a
different set of inputs: presumably a bat has a major part
of its brain given over to processing sound signals to
produce a picture of its surroundings, comparable to that
produced by our visual cortex; it would be ludicrous to
suppose that a bat would have to figure out what incoming
sound signals meant in terms of the topography of the
fast-moving 'terrain' around it. Similarly for IR sensors
in a snake, and all sorts of other sensors in fish etc.</span></font></div>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Richard, I fully agree that our
sense of 'now' must surely be a 'moving sample' of short
duration - I believe this has been shown to be the case by
research, also point sources would not allow for
extrapolation of meaningful observations (e.g. a colour must
necessarily require at least a fragment of wave in order to
identify frequency - this is part of the role of sensors,
which must therefore have a 'time-sampling' element about
them .. . . which we know to be the case since photon
absorption itself takes a finite time).</span></font></div>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I also agree, without question,
that the Pythagorean relationship between time-experience,
velocity and c is a more appropriate representation if the
interrelationship between these qualities than the
hyperbolic relationship - this has been a central tenet of
all that I've published on this subject over the past 20
years. It was for some time a puzzle to me why people would
choose to favour the complexity of the hyperbolic model over
the clear (and clean) reality of the Pythagorean description
- I liken it to choosing to opt for the Greeks' epicycloids
for orbits in a geocentric system rather than the elliptical
orbits of a heliocentric system. I concluded (and
calculated) after a while that it's all down to appearances
(for us as for the Greeks): the Pythagorean relationship,
coupled with other real-world phenomena such as
electromagnetic foreshortening of objects in motion, leads a
moving observer to experience the illusion of a fully
reciprocal relationship - considering themself to be at
rest, the observer will experience the illusion that others
in different states of motion (including the objective
rest-state) are in fact subject to 'relativistic' effects.
As I keep saying, SR is an observer effect.</span></font></div>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This in turn leads to the
illusion of full reciprocity - the equivalence (and so also
symmetry) of all intertial 'frames'. The hyperbolic model
is fully symmetric, whereas the Pythagorean is not. If one
chooses to go with the illusion rather than (I contend)
objective reality then, just as the Greeks allowed their
illusion to dictate a more complex model of the universe, so
do we (collectively - with some exceptions).</span></font></div>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Clearly the hyperbolic model is
faithful to observation and measurement - this is a point
that I have always stressed - since all observers and
measuring instruments are subject to this 'illusion'
(measurements by instruments will be affected by the helical
nature of the energy-flows forming their constituent
particles); in this respect of course that model is hugely
useful - one might say absolutely essential. However, to
then on that basis attribute to objective reality the
metaphysical property of 'frame symmetry' - leading, for
example, to the same train actually BEING (not just seeming
to be) different lengths depending on whether one is on the
train, watching it from the track-side or observing it from
a high-speed aircraft - makes as much sense to me as the
notion that planets ARE in fact bouncing around a complex
path akin to the path of a fly on the rim of a bicycle wheel
being rolled around the outside of a large drum! I
reiterate, in BOTH cases I believe that finding causation
for such claimed properties could be hugely difficult!</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">One might ask: if the observed
data fits the hyperbolic model so well, why am I (and
others) so sure that the Pythagorean model fits the true
reality? My answer is one word: Occam. The Pythagorean
model requires NO additional explanation for ALL observed
effects other than known physical properties, including the
now well-attested principle that particles of matter are (or
at least can be) formed from photons of electromagnetic
energy; by contrast, just an explanation of how a railway
train obligingly adjusts its length to simultaneously suit a
passenger, a track-worker and a jet pilot so that frame
symmetry is not breached could involve quite a few
as-yet-unknown (and unimaginable!) properties of material
reality. (That 'causation' thing again.)</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I need to reiterate: THIS
MATTERS! It matters absolutely hugely! (Mainstream)
Physics is at present (I would contend) stuck in a
cul-de-sac of its own making, unable to move forward on such
crucial matters as fundamentals of gravitation as it insists
on finding a frame-independent formulation. Releasing that
self-imposed constraint would free things up absolutely
phenomenally!</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm actually finding this
discussion very exciting! We're now talking about the role
of the observer, and of the consciousness of that observer,
in the process. This, to me, is a major step forward.</span></font></div>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></span></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks guys!</span></font></div>
<div><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Grahame</span></font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
black"><b>From:</b> <a title="richgauthier@gmail.com"
href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Richard
Gauthier</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a
title="srp2@srpinc.org" href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">srp2@srpinc.org</a> ; <a
title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 06,
2017 6:55 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General]
Relativity</div>
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<div>Hi Grahame, <span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">André, Wolf,
Chip and others,</span></div>
<div><font face="Arial"> I also have a sense that our
experienced sense of “now” (which is probably not a
mathematical point in time but a very short experienced
interval which could be different for different people) is
related to the speed of light. The best objective measure
of experienced time that I know of is one's “wristwatch
time” or proper time tau, which moves with a person or
object and indicates passing moments of “now” for that
person or object (c tau is zero for a photon). Several
people, the first I think being Lewis Carroll Epstein in
his 1981 book “Relativity Visualized”, discovered that
proper time tau (or rather c tau) can be the 4th
orthogonal dimension on a Minkowski-type diagram, rather
than coordinate time t (or ct) in the usual
Minkowski spacetime diagram. This approach simplifies
Minkowski diagram math (from hyperbolic to pythagorean),
removes the need for light cones, and also suggests the
idea that every person (or object with mass) is traveling
through time at light-speed, whether standing still or
moving. Please see "</font>Relativity Simplified by
Modified Minkowski Metric Spacetime and Momentum-Energy
Diagrams” at <a href="https://richardgauthier.academia.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://richardgauthier.academia.edu</a> .</div>
<div> Richard</div>
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<div>On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:48 AM, André Michaud <<a
href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org" moz-do-not-send="true">srp2@srpinc.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">Hi
Grahame,</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">You
write "</span></span><i><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i><i><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">At any given
instant in time a snapshot of the physical
state of the universe is given by the
totality of the leading edges (or
wavefronts) of the electromagnetic energy
flows that make up all the particles and
free energies in the universe at that time</span></span></i><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">I
must say that I also drew converging
conclusions with regard to time, and so did
a group of European researchers.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">You
might be interested in an article published
last year by Amrit Sorli et al. analyzing
what Einstein called the "NOW" moment, title
"Cosmology of Einstein's NOW":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><a
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION:
underline"
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">My
personal conclusion is only slightly
different from yours, as I would formulate
this idea as:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"> "</span></span><i><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>At
any given instant in time each of us
records in his neocortex what his senses
let him perceive of the physical state of
the universe given by the totality of the
leading edges (or wavefronts) of the
electromagnetic energy flows that make up
all the particles and free energies in the
universe at that instant of time</span></span></i><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">Each
of us thus internally builds a personal,
thus subjective, model of what is occurring
in physical reality as the "present moment"
progresses, which "present moment" is the
only moment that we can be aware of.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">My
own conclusions in this regard can be found
in Section "8. The Time Dimension" of this
article, titled "</span></span><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">On the Birth of
the Universe and the Time Dimension in the
3-Spaces Model</span></span><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px">":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New
Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT:
16px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri,
sans-serif"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
lang="EN-CA"><span style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><a
style="COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION:
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href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf"
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<span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-CA"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
Calibri, sans-serif">Best Regards</span></span></span><br>
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[et al.],</font></div>
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0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">I have
no doubt that time is a subjective experience of
consciousness - that, as you say, the speed of light
is in fact the speed at which consciousness moves
through 'instants' of reality, i.e. as you put it: "<font
size="3" face="Times New Roman">Einstein's constant
becomes<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">[IS, in
fact]</font>the speed of each observer's "Now".</font>"</font></div>
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0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">I first
presented this view myself 10 years ago in an article
in published the journal of the Scientific &
Medical Network [Network Review, Issue 95, Dec 2007],
in the following words:</font></div>
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<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
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12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><b><u><span
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">The Role of
Consciousness in Time Perception</span></u></b></font></font></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
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12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">At any given
instant in time a snapshot of the physical state
of the universe is given by the totality of the
leading edges (or wavefronts) of the
electromagnetic energy flows that make up all
the particles and free energies in the universe
at that time. (In passing it's worth noting that
this may have a bearing on Heisenberg's
Uncertainty Principle, since the 'position' of a
fundamental sub-atomic particle will at that
instant be reduced to a single point in the
cyclic path of the energy flow forming that
particle – which will vary in position and
direction at different points in that cycle.)</span></font></font></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
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12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">As time progresses
successive snapshots will be given by
corresponding advances in each of those energy
flows. From the point of view of an eternal
observer, unhampered by the temporal limitation
of observing only one instant at a time, each of
those energy flows will form a continuous thread
weaving its way through space as it also
progresses through what we call 'time'.</span></font></font></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
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12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">Almost certainly
our perception of three-dimensional space is a
consciousness-mapping of some deeper reality,
but since we're built to think in these terms it
makes sense to visualise that succession of
snapshots by some spatial analogy. A common
model is to think of a succession of frames from
a cine film or video recording, but this tends
to lose the continuity of those energy flows.
Perhaps a better model is that of a
four-dimensional spherical crystal, growing
outwards from the centre as time progresses
(though of course from the eternal perspective
that crystal simply<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><i>is</i></b>).</span></font></font></p>
<p style="TEXT-ALIGN: justify; MARGIN: 6px 15px 0px;
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12pt" class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><font face="Times New Roman"><span
style="COLOR: rgb(51,51,153)">Each instant in
time is then an infinitely thin
three-dimensional layer of that hypersphere,
like the layers of an onion. The strands of
light-energy snake outwards from the Source at
the centre, weaving their intricate patterns of
successive instants of reality in
synchronisation with one another as they shape
our ongoing cosmic destiny. Consciousness,
flowing outward from the Source at the speed of
light, experiences successive layers of this
amazing hypersphere of light as instants of
being, each perfect in its own way.</span></font></font></p>
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<div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
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normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">[If
others think this crazy (as they may), I invite them
to consider observations by Planck and<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="st">Schrödinger</span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on
consciousness, which they both considered to bethe
fundamental driving force of the universe.]</font></div>
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normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
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normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">I'd
agree also that "<font size="3" face="Times New Roman">the
speed of light is constant for every observer
because it is tied to the material which generates
the space of that observer</font>" [and, of course,
that observer themself]. This is totally consistent
with the logical observation that the
'time-experience' of that observer will itself be
affected by those energy flows and the rate at which
they pass through/around the observer (and any
instruments they may use) - and so the time-experience
of any observer/instrument will be tied to its state
of motion ("reference frame") exactly in accordance
with the findings of SR.</font></div>
<div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
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<div style="TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; FONT:
12px Helvetica; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING:
normal; WORD-SPACING: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px"><font size="2" color="#000080" face="Arial">I.e. SR
is an observer effect caused by the variation in
cyclic-to-linear ratio of energy flows in an
observer's 'reference frame' affecting the rate at
which consciousness experiences the passage of time.</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); FONT:
10pt arial"><b>From:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
title="wolf@nascentinc.com"
href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Wolfgang Baer</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists...natureoflightandparticles.org</a></div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
November 05, 2017 10:43 PM</div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [General]
Relativity</div>
<div> </div>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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the risk of both repeating and sounding crazy</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">I've
been developing a theory of physics that includes
subjective experiences and identifies a background
space with every observer</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">It
would then seem that the speed of light is constant
for every observer because it is tied to the material
which generates the space of that observer. If we look
at the relationship between observer and the reference
frame and realize the reference frame defines the
space for that observer Einstein's constant becomes
the speed of each observers "Now"</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">I
have a paper for the Vigier conference tat explores
this possibility which I will send if interest exists</p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in">Wolf</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2017 12:37 PM,
André Michaud wrote:</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:201711031937.vA3JbwYW009823@mail68c0.megamailservers.com"
type="cite">
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"
class="userStyles">
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',
serif">Hi Chip,</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',
serif">I indeed see what you mean.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times
New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 16px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" lang="EN-US"><span
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 18px"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman',
serif">Since the constant velocity of
light is established in such certain
terms as an absolute velocity, what
actually came to my mind was the idea
of possibly establishing the
asymptotic speed of light itself as
the absolute reference with respect to
which all motion could be measured.</span></span></span></span></span><br>
<br>
I'll have a look at Albrecht's work.</span></p>
<br>
André<br>
<br>
<i>On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:25:40 -0500, "Chip Akins"<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><chipakins@gmail.com>wrote:</chipakins@gmail.com></i><br>
<br>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>Hi
Andre (and Albrecht) and All<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>I
think that if Einstein’s statement “<i>light
is propagated in empty space with a velocity
c which is independent of the motion of the
source</i>” is true, then the only reference
which makes any sense is the frame of space
itself. It is implicit within the statement
that the reference frame for this velocity is
space itself. Lorentz argued that there must
be a fixed frame of space for these same
reasons.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>What
we observe is exactly compatible with this
concept, that there is a fixed frame of space,
and that we are not able to measure our motion
relative to that fixed frame because matter is
made of confined propagating energy which
moves at the same velocity as light. Then, in
a Euclidian three dimensional space, we would
experience the exact transformations Lorentz
suggested are required. As a result we would
always measure the speed of light to be the
same speed. In this causal form of relativity
there is no room for the supposition that all
motion is relative. For motion is, in such a
situation, relative to the frame of space.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>The
impulse which is momentum (a specific force
for a finite time) is quite compatible, it
seems, with your concept of the importance of
kinetic energy in the behavior of propagating
disturbances which make up all particles.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>One
reason I am interested in the kinetic energy
analysis is because it would be nice to better
understand the subject of momentum as it
refers to the propagation of energy through
space. I think it would be helpful if we
understood the mechanisms which create this
momentum.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>Albrecht
has done some work in this area, using a novel
approach which evaluates the behavior of
“extended bodies” in space, which is also very
interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span>Chip<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif;
FONT-SIZE: 11pt">From:</span></b><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif;
FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>André
Michaud [<a style="COLOR: purple;
TEXT-DECORATION: underline"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:srp2@srpinc.org</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
November 03, 2017 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION:
underline"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">chipakins@gmail.com</a>;<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION:
underline"
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists...natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION:
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href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
Fwd: [General] Relativity<o:p></o:p></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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<div>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>Hi
Chip,</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,
sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>I
have been thinking about what you wrote
here:</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial,
sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>"Einstein
stated that “<i>light is propagated in empty
space with a velocity c which is
independent of the motion of the source</i>”,
which is an incomplete statement, logically
inconsistent, because<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>the<i><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>velocity
c in empty space<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>has
no meaning, unless we use the fixed frame
of space, or some other reference, as the
logical reference for that velocity.</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>A
velocity simply must be stated in reference
to something."</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>My
own view on this hinges on the kinetic
energy viewpoint that you seem to have taken
an interest in.</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>On
page 14 of my paper on the de Broglie photon
hypothesis, you will find my take on this
issue, which relates the "<b>some other
logical reference</b>" that you mention,
to the physical presence of momentum related
translational kinetic energy:</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>"Now
this brings up the old issue of what this<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
lang="EN-CA">"</span><span>equilibrium</span><span
lang="EN-CA">"<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span>constant
velocity of photons in vacuum (free moving
kinetic energy) is relative to in reality.
Is it relative to the medium? To the point
of emission? To the point of absorption? To
the observer? To this or that reference
frame, or multiple reference frames,
inertial, non inertial, Galilean, moving or
not, etc.?</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>A
deeply ingrained habit has developed since
the beginning of the 20th century to
hypothesize various reference frames in
attempts to make sense of the experimentally
observed data. But in physical reality,
velocity depends on only one criterion: the
actual presence of translational kinetic
energy. If translational kinetic energy is
present and if the local electromagnetic
equilibrium allows it, there will be
velocity in vacuum, relative to there being
absence of translational kinetic energy,
irrespective of any hypothesized reference
frame or frames.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><u><span>The
absolute lower velocity limit</span></u><span>,
as seen from this perspective, would be an
electron possessing zero translational
kinetic energy in excess the energy making
up its rest mass. Of course, such an
electron totally deprived of translational
kinetic energy can only be theoretical,
because all massive particles are subject to
gravitational or electrostatic acceleration
in physical reality from the moment they
start existing.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><u><span>The
absolute upper velocity limit</span></u><span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>involving
electromagnetic oscillation is reached when
an amount of translational (aka
unidirectional) kinetic energy propels<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>an
equal amount</u></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
kinetic energy captive in transverse
electromagnetic oscillation, that is, a free
moving photon for example, as described in
this paper.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><u><span>The
only other possible case</span></u><span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>between
these two limits involving electromagnetic
oscillation, applies to an amount of kinetic
energy captive in transverse electromagnetic
oscillation being propelled by<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><u>a
lesser amount</u></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
translational kinetic energy, such as the
kinetic energy making up the rest mass of an
electron, plus the transversely oscillating
half of its carrier-photon's kinetic energy,
both quantities being propelled by the
unidirectional half of the carrier-photon's
quantum of kinetic energy. The velocity of
such a system will mandatorily lie between
zero and asymptotically close to the speed
of light."</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in;
FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><span>This
is the one logical possible other reference
that I have identified.</span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif;
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Regards</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY:
Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">---
André Michaud<br>
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<span style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><i>On
Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45 -0700, Richard
Gauthier wrote:</i><br>
<br>
Forwarded from Chip<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,
sans-serif">From:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,
sans-serif">"Chip Akins" <</span><a
style="COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION:
underline"
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,
sans-serif">chipakins@gmail.com</span></a><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,
sans-serif">></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica,
sans-serif">Subject: [General]
Relativity</span></b><span
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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discussed the idea that SR is not
“logically self-consistent” even
though many conclude that it is
mathematically self-consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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self-consistent issues…<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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point I think we would need to take
a look at the “landscape” as it
relates to “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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look at causes, which is to say that
we use the concept of
cause-and-effect as our guiding
principle, as you have properly
stressed, we can come to logical
conclusions which simply do not
agree with SR in all details.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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many of the known conditions to
guide the development of a composite
view of the causes for “relativity”.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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a medium. Sound waves exhibit the
Doppler Effect simply because they
travel at a “fixed” speed through a
“homogeneous” medium, regardless of
the velocity of the object emitting
the waves.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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Doppler Effect in space.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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that some similarities may exist
between the causes of the Doppler
Effect in sound and in light.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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is propagated in empty space with
a velocity c which is independent
of the motion of the source</i>”,
which is an incomplete statement,
logically inconsistent, because the<i>velocity
c in empty space</i>has no
meaning, unless we use the fixed
frame of space, or some other
reference, as the logical reference
for that velocity. A velocity simply
must be stated in reference to
something.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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“<i>Absolute uniform motion cannot
be detected by any means.</i>”
Which is indicated by experiment as
well. So no problem here.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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the assertion that “<i>This is to
say that the concept of absolute
rest and the ether have no
meaning.</i>” (<i>Paraphrased</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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logically supported by the evidence
presented, and is logically
inconsistent with the assertion that
“<i>light is propagated in empty
space with a velocity c which is
independent of the motion of the
source</i>”. There are alternate
interpretations of this evidence
which are more causal and logical
than this.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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measure something does not
necessarily make it meaningless.
There are a myriad examples we can
give of things which we cannot
directly measure, but we have come
to accept, because of indirect
evidence which stipulates their
existence.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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evidence, reconstruct a set of
conditions, which is causal, and
yields results which match
observation.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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made of “stuff” that propagates
through a fixed frame of space at c,
and if matter is made of confined
versions of the same “stuff” also
propagating (in confinement) at c in
a fixed frame of space, then we
would have exactly this set of
circumstances. We would not be able
to detect our motion through space
by using an apparatus like the
Michelson-Morley experiment. Note:
This approach does not relegate as
meaningless anything which may in
fact be quite important.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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absolute rest and the ether have
no meaning.”</i>Then how do we
explain<i>“light is propagated in
empty space with a velocity c
which is independent of the motion
of the source”</i>and the
resultant Doppler Effect when a
moving object emits light?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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the explanation that EM radiation is
represented by vector “fields”, and
that they somehow could propagate
through an empty space at a fixed
velocity justified only by the math.
That is a less satisfactory answer
logically because it does not
present<i>physical</i>cause. This
consideration, and the Doppler
Effect, coupled with the underlying
physical cause mentioned above, for
us not being able to detect our own
motion through space, yields two
logically consistent reasons for
looking at space as a sort of
medium, with a “fixed” frame.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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are a natural result of the
situation mentioned above regarding
the constitution of light a matter.
These transformations are required
under the circumstances where light
and matter are made of the same
“stuff” and that stuff moves at the
fixed speed c in a fixed frame of
space. This all occurs in a 3
dimensional Euclidian space.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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logically consistent, causal view,
than the one proposed by SR.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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describing the situation where space
is a medium in which the propagation
of disturbances is a fixed velocity,
and light and matter are made of
these disturbances, we obtain the
set of Lorentz transformations, and
cause for “relativity” is shown,
precisely and clearly. This is a
logically consistent basis, and one
which shows cause. In contrast to
SR, which is a different
interpretation of the same starting
information, but does not show
cause, and does not appear to be as
logically consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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this and related information which
better illustrates the case from a
logical basis?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: white;
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