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    <p>Thomas:</p>
    <p>Yes i definitely agree there is an ether <br>
    </p>
    <p>but i'm working on a theory that will include the 1st person
      experiences and from that point of view the ether would be the</p>
    <p>background space of imagination within which we visualize our
      theories and the constant "c" is the speed of the 1st person's Now
      which would be constant for any observation - write up a beginning
      idea in a paper for the Vigier IX conference but has not be
      published so far.</p>
    <p>best</p>
    <p>Wolf<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/2017 6:21 AM, Thomas Andersen
      wrote:<br>
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      Here is a talk by Einstein on the same subject  (1920)
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href="http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/Einstein_ether.html"
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      <div class="">"<span style="font-family: -webkit-standard;
          font-size: medium; text-align: justify; background-color:
          rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Recapitulating, we may say that
          according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed
          with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there
          exists an ether."</span></div>
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      <div class="">--Tom<br class="">
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            <div class="">On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Wolfgang Baer <<a
                href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com" class=""
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              wrote:</div>
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              <p style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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                rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">A friend of mine sent me
                this interesting article regarding Einstein's take on
                the ether<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Journal%20Reprints-Relativity%20Theory/Download/3313"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Journal%20Reprints-Relativity%20Theory/Download/3313</a></p>
              <p style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px;
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                rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Perhaps his theories have
                been misunderstood by those who follow, wouldn't be the
                first time</p>
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              <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72" style="font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
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                AM, Dr Grahame Blackwell wrote:<br class="">
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                <div class=""><font class="" size="2"><font class=""
                      face="Arial"><font class="" color="#000080">Hi
                        Richard,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                          style="font-family: Arial;" class="">André,
                          Wolf, and All,</span></font></font></font></div>
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                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">André, I'm delighted that others, too,
                      are now coming to this conclusion.  I don't feel
                      that your conclusion is really in any way
                      different from mine - my perception of the
                      situation is pretty much identical to yours.  The
                      difference lies, not in how we perceive the
                      situation, but in what we are describing.  I have
                      described the actuality of the totality of
                      wavefronts at any given instant, you have (as I
                      understand it) described the experience of that
                      totality as it is mediated/filtered by our
                      physical senses and interpreted by the brain; this
                      matches exactly how I see our assimilation of data
                      from our immersive environment (though I would say
                      the whole brain rather than just neocortex - since
                      limbic system, reptilian brain, etc all contribute
                      to our picture of the reality that we inhabit
                      [including our own body]).</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
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                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">In other writings I have proposed that
                      experience of its environment by, for example, a
                      bat would be radically different from our own,
                      since its internal 'preprocessor logic' would be
                      dealing with quite a different set of inputs:
                      presumably a bat has a major part of its brain
                      given over to processing sound signals to produce
                      a picture of its surroundings, comparable to that
                      produced by our visual cortex; it would be
                      ludicrous to suppose that a bat would have to
                      figure out what incoming sound signals meant in
                      terms of the topography of the fast-moving
                      'terrain' around it.  Similarly for IR sensors in
                      a snake, and all sorts of other sensors in fish
                      etc.</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class=""></span></font> </div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">Richard, I fully agree that our sense of
                      'now' must surely be a 'moving sample' of short
                      duration - I believe this has been shown to be the
                      case by research, also point sources would not
                      allow for extrapolation of meaningful observations
                      (e.g. a colour must necessarily require at least a
                      fragment of wave in order to identify frequency -
                      this is part of the role of sensors, which must
                      therefore have a 'time-sampling' element about
                      them .. . . which we know to be the case since
                      photon absorption itself takes a finite time).</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
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                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">I also agree, without question, that the
                      Pythagorean relationship between time-experience,
                      velocity and c is a more appropriate
                      representation if the interrelationship between
                      these qualities than the hyperbolic relationship -
                      this has been a central tenet of all that I've
                      published on this subject over the past 20 years. 
                      It was for some time a puzzle to me why people
                      would choose to favour the complexity of the
                      hyperbolic model over the clear (and
                      clean) reality of the Pythagorean description - I
                      liken it to choosing to opt for the Greeks'
                      epicycloids for orbits in a geocentric system
                      rather than the elliptical orbits of a
                      heliocentric system.  I concluded (and calculated)
                      after a while that it's all down to appearances
                      (for us as for the Greeks): the Pythagorean
                      relationship, coupled with other real-world
                      phenomena such as electromagnetic foreshortening
                      of objects in motion, leads a moving observer to
                      experience the illusion of a fully reciprocal
                      relationship - considering themself to be at rest,
                      the observer will experience the illusion that
                      others in different states of motion (including
                      the objective rest-state) are in fact subject to
                      'relativistic' effects.  As I keep saying, SR
                      is an observer effect.</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class=""></span></font> </div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">This in turn leads to the illusion of
                      full reciprocity - the equivalence (and so also
                      symmetry) of all intertial 'frames'.  The
                      hyperbolic model is fully symmetric, whereas the
                      Pythagorean is not.  If one chooses to go with the
                      illusion rather than (I contend) objective reality
                      then, just as the Greeks allowed their illusion to
                      dictate a more complex model of the universe, so
                      do we (collectively - with some exceptions).</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
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                      class=""></span></font> </div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">Clearly the hyperbolic model is faithful
                      to observation and measurement - this is a point
                      that I have always stressed - since all observers
                      and measuring instruments are subject to this
                      'illusion' (measurements by instruments will be
                      affected by the helical nature of the energy-flows
                      forming their constituent particles); in this
                      respect of course that model is hugely useful -
                      one might say absolutely essential.  However, to
                      then on that basis attribute to objective reality
                      the metaphysical property of 'frame symmetry' -
                      leading, for example, to the same train actually
                      BEING (not just seeming to be) different lengths
                      depending on whether one is on the train, watching
                      it from the track-side or observing it from a
                      high-speed aircraft - makes as much sense to me as
                      the notion that planets ARE in fact bouncing
                      around a complex path akin to the path of a fly on
                      the rim of a bicycle wheel being rolled around the
                      outside of a large drum!  I reiterate, in BOTH
                      cases I believe that finding causation for such
                      claimed properties could be hugely difficult!</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class=""></span></font> </div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">One might ask: if the observed data fits
                      the hyperbolic model so well, why am I (and
                      others) so sure that the Pythagorean model fits
                      the true reality?  My answer is one word: Occam. 
                      The Pythagorean model requires NO additional
                      explanation for ALL observed effects other than
                      known physical properties, including the
                      now well-attested principle that particles of
                      matter are (or at least can be) formed from
                      photons of electromagnetic energy; by contrast,
                      just an explanation of how a railway train
                      obligingly adjusts its length to simultaneously
                      suit a passenger, a track-worker and a jet pilot
                      so that frame symmetry is not breached could
                      involve quite a few as-yet-unknown (and
                      unimaginable!) properties of material reality. 
                      (That 'causation' thing again.)</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class=""></span></font> </div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">I need to reiterate: THIS MATTERS!  It
                      matters absolutely hugely!  (Mainstream) Physics
                      is at present (I would contend) stuck in a
                      cul-de-sac of its own making, unable to move
                      forward on such crucial matters as fundamentals of
                      gravitation as it insists on finding a
                      frame-independent formulation.  Releasing that
                      self-imposed constraint would free things up
                      absolutely phenomenally!</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
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                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">I'm actually finding this discussion very
                      exciting!  We're now talking about the role of the
                      observer, and of the consciousness of that
                      observer, in the process.  This, to me, is a major
                      step forward.</span></font></div>
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                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">Thanks guys!</span></font></div>
                <div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                    face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
                      class="">Grahame</span></font></div>
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                      class="">From:</b><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      title="richgauthier@gmail.com"
                      href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com"
                      moz-do-not-send="true" class="">Richard Gauthier</a></div>
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                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      title="srp2@srpinc.org"
                      href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true" class="">srp2@srpinc.org</a><span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span
                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                      title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                      moz-do-not-send="true" class="">Nature of Light
                      and Particles - General Discussion</a></div>
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                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                    November 06, 2017 6:55 PM</div>
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                    [General] Relativity</div>
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                    <div class="">Hi Grahame, <span style="font-family:
                        Arial;" class="">André, Wolf, Chip and others,</span></div>
                    <div class=""><font class="" face="Arial">   I also
                        have a sense that our experienced sense of “now”
                        (which is probably not a mathematical point in
                        time but a very short experienced interval which
                        could be different for different people) is
                        related to the speed of light. The best
                        objective measure of experienced time that I
                        know of is one's “wristwatch time” or proper
                        time tau, which moves with a person or object
                        and indicates passing moments of “now” for that
                        person or object (c tau is zero for a photon).
                        Several people, the first I think being Lewis
                        Carroll Epstein in his 1981 book “Relativity
                        Visualized”, discovered that proper time tau (or
                        rather c tau)  can be the 4th orthogonal
                        dimension on a Minkowski-type diagram, rather
                        than coordinate time t (or ct) in the usual
                        Minkowski spacetime diagram. This approach
                        simplifies Minkowski diagram math (from
                        hyperbolic to pythagorean), removes the need for
                        light cones, and also suggests the idea that
                        every person (or object with mass) is traveling
                        through time at light-speed, whether standing
                        still or moving.  Please see "</font>Relativity
                      Simplified by Modified Minkowski Metric Spacetime
                      and Momentum-Energy Diagrams” at <a
                        href="https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/"
                        moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://richardgauthier.academia.edu</a> .</div>
                    <div class="">       Richard</div>
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                      <div class="">On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:48 AM, André
                        Michaud <<a href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
                          moz-do-not-send="true" class="">srp2@srpinc.org</a>>
                        wrote:</div>
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                          <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
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                                      class="">Hi Grahame,</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                          <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><span
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                                      class="">You write "</span></span><i
                                    class=""><span
                                      class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i><i
                                    class=""><span style="font-size:
                                      12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><span
                                        style="line-height: 18px;"
                                        class="">At any given instant in
                                        time a snapshot of the physical
                                        state of the universe is given
                                        by the totality of the leading
                                        edges (or wavefronts) of the
                                        electromagnetic energy flows
                                        that make up all the particles
                                        and free energies in the
                                        universe at that time</span></span></i><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class="">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                          <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class="">I must say that I also
                                      drew converging conclusions with
                                      regard to time, and so did a group
                                      of European researchers.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                          <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class="">You might be interested
                                      in an article published last year
                                      by Amrit Sorli et al. analyzing
                                      what Einstein called the "NOW"
                                      moment, title "Cosmology of
                                      Einstein's NOW":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                          <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class=""><a
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        style="color: blue;
                                        text-decoration: underline;"
                                        class="">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
                          <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><span
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                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
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                                      class="">My personal conclusion is
                                      only slightly different from
                                      yours, as I would formulate this
                                      idea as:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class=""> "</span></span><i
                                    class=""><span style="font-size:
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                                        class=""><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>At
                                        any given instant in time each
                                        of us records in his neocortex
                                        what his senses let him perceive
                                        of  the physical state of the
                                        universe given by the totality
                                        of the leading edges (or
                                        wavefronts) of the
                                        electromagnetic energy flows
                                        that make up all the particles
                                        and free energies in the
                                        universe at that instant of time</span></span></i><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class="">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                          <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class="">Each of us thus
                                      internally builds a personal, thus
                                      subjective, model of what is
                                      occurring in physical reality as
                                      the "present moment" progresses,
                                      which "present moment" is the only
                                      moment that we can be aware of.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
                          <p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
                                  sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class="">My own conclusions in
                                      this regard can be found in
                                      Section "8. The Time Dimension" of
                                      this article, titled "</span></span><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-US"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class="">On the Birth of the
                                      Universe and the Time Dimension in
                                      the 3-Spaces Model</span></span><span
                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class="">":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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                              style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
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                                  style="font-family: Calibri,
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                                    style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
                                    lang="EN-CA"><span
                                      style="line-height: 18px;"
                                      class=""><a
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        style="color: blue;
                                        text-decoration: underline;"
                                        class="">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
                          <span style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
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                                Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Best
                                Regards</span></span></span><br class="">
                           
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                              <i class="">On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:08:29
                                -0000, "Dr Grahame Blackwell"<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><grahame@starweave.com
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                            face="Arial">Wolf [et al.],</font></div>
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                            face="Arial">I have no doubt that time is a
                            subjective experience of consciousness -
                            that, as you say, the speed of light is in
                            fact the speed at which consciousness moves
                            through 'instants' of reality, i.e. as you
                            put it: "<font class="" size="3" face="Times
                              New Roman">Einstein's constant becomes<span
                                class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
                                class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                                face="Arial">[IS, in fact]</font>the
                              speed of each observer's "Now".</font>"</font></div>
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                            face="Arial">I first presented this view
                            myself 10 years ago in an article in
                            published the journal of the Scientific
                            & Medical Network [Network Review, Issue
                            95, Dec 2007], in the following words:</font></div>
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                              color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
                                class="" face="Times New Roman"><b
                                  class=""><u class=""><span
                                      style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
                                      class="">The Role of Consciousness
                                      in Time Perception</span></u></b></font></font></p>
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                              color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
                                class="" face="Times New Roman"><span
                                  style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
                                  class="">At any given instant in time
                                  a snapshot of the physical state of
                                  the universe is given by the totality
                                  of the leading edges (or wavefronts)
                                  of the electromagnetic energy flows
                                  that make up all the particles and
                                  free energies in the universe at that
                                  time. (In passing it's worth noting
                                  that this may have a bearing on
                                  Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle,
                                  since the 'position' of a fundamental
                                  sub-atomic particle will at that
                                  instant be reduced to a single point
                                  in the cyclic path of the energy flow
                                  forming that particle – which will
                                  vary in position and direction at
                                  different points in that cycle.)</span></font></font></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:
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                              color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
                                class="" face="Times New Roman"><span
                                  style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
                                  class="">As time progresses successive
                                  snapshots will be given by
                                  corresponding advances in each of
                                  those energy flows. From the point of
                                  view of an eternal observer,
                                  unhampered by the temporal limitation
                                  of observing only one instant at a
                                  time, each of those energy flows will
                                  form a continuous thread weaving its
                                  way through space as it also
                                  progresses through what we call
                                  'time'.</span></font></font></p>
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                              color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
                                class="" face="Times New Roman"><span
                                  style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
                                  class="">Almost certainly our
                                  perception of three-dimensional space
                                  is a consciousness-mapping of some
                                  deeper reality, but since we're built
                                  to think in these terms it makes sense
                                  to visualise that succession of
                                  snapshots by some spatial analogy. A
                                  common model is to think of a
                                  succession of frames from a cine film
                                  or video recording, but this tends to
                                  lose the continuity of those energy
                                  flows. Perhaps a better model is that
                                  of a four-dimensional spherical
                                  crystal, growing outwards from the
                                  centre as time progresses (though of
                                  course from the eternal perspective
                                  that crystal simply<span
                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                    class=""><i class="">is</i></b>).</span></font></font></p>
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                                class="" face="Times New Roman"><span
                                  style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
                                  class="">Each instant in time is then
                                  an infinitely thin three-dimensional
                                  layer of that hypersphere, like the
                                  layers of an onion. The strands of
                                  light-energy snake outwards from the
                                  Source at the centre, weaving their
                                  intricate patterns of successive
                                  instants of reality in synchronisation
                                  with one another as they shape our
                                  ongoing cosmic destiny. Consciousness,
                                  flowing outward from the Source at the
                                  speed of light, experiences successive
                                  layers of this amazing hypersphere of
                                  light as instants of being, each
                                  perfect in its own way.</span></font></font></p>
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                        <div style="text-transform: none; text-indent:
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                          -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><font
                            class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                            face="Arial">[If others think this crazy (as
                            they may), I invite them to consider
                            observations by Planck and<span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
                              class="st">Schrödinger</span><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on
                            consciousness, which they both considered to
                            bethe fundamental driving force of the
                            universe.]</font></div>
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                        <div style="text-transform: none; text-indent:
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                          -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><font
                            class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                            face="Arial">I'd agree also that "<font
                              class="" size="3" face="Times New Roman">the
                              speed of light is constant for every
                              observer because it is tied to the
                              material which generates the space of that
                              observer</font>" [and, of course, that
                            observer themself]. This is totally
                            consistent with the logical observation that
                            the 'time-experience' of that observer will
                            itself be affected by those energy flows and
                            the rate at which they pass through/around
                            the observer (and any instruments they may
                            use) - and so the time-experience of any
                            observer/instrument will be tied to its
                            state of motion ("reference frame") exactly
                            in accordance with the findings of SR.</font></div>
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                        <div style="text-transform: none; text-indent:
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                          letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px;
                          -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><font
                            class="" size="2" color="#000080"
                            face="Arial">I.e. SR is an observer effect
                            caused by the variation in cyclic-to-linear
                            ratio of energy flows in an observer's
                            'reference frame' affecting the rate at
                            which consciousness experiences the passage
                            of time.</font></div>
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                            face="Arial">Grahame</font></div>
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                            -----</div>
                          <div style="background-color: rgb(228, 228,
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                              class="">From:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              title="wolf@nascentinc.com"
                              href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
                              moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
                              purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                              class="">Wolfgang Baer</a></div>
                          <div style="font-style: normal;
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                            arial;" class=""><b class="">To:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
                              purple; text-decoration: underline;"
                              class="">general@lists...natureoflightandparticles.org</a></div>
                          <div style="font-style: normal;
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                            arial;" class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday,
                            November 05, 2017 10:43 PM</div>
                          <div style="font-style: normal;
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                            arial;" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span
                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [General] Relativity</div>
                          <div class=""> </div>
                          <p style="font-family: "Times New
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                            class="">At the risk of both repeating and
                            sounding crazy</p>
                          <p style="font-family: "Times New
                            Roman", serif; margin-left: 0in;
                            font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in;"
                            class="">I've been developing a theory of
                            physics that includes subjective experiences
                            and identifies a background space with every
                            observer</p>
                          <p style="font-family: "Times New
                            Roman", serif; margin-left: 0in;
                            font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in;"
                            class="">It would then seem that the speed
                            of light is constant for every observer
                            because it is tied to the material which
                            generates the space of that observer. If we
                            look at the relationship between observer
                            and the reference frame and realize the
                            reference frame defines the space for that
                            observer Einstein's constant becomes the
                            speed of each observers "Now"</p>
                          <p style="font-family: "Times New
                            Roman", serif; margin-left: 0in;
                            font-size: 12pt; margin-right: 0in;"
                            class="">I have a paper for the Vigier
                            conference tat explores this possibility
                            which I will send if interest exists</p>
                          <p style="font-family: "Times New
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                            class="">Wolf</p>
                          <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
                          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2017
                            12:37 PM, André Michaud wrote:</div>
                          <blockquote
                            cite="mid:201711031937.vA3JbwYW009823@mail68c0.megamailservers.com"
                            type="cite" class="">
                            <div class="userStyles" style="font-family:
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                              <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                    style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                      style="font-family: Calibri,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                        style="font-size: 12pt;"
                                        class="" lang="EN-US"><span
                                          style="line-height: 18px;"
                                          class=""><span
                                            style="font-family:
                                            "Times New Roman",
                                            serif;" class="">Hi Chip,</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
                              <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                    style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                      style="font-family: Calibri,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                        style="font-size: 12pt;"
                                        class="" lang="EN-US"><span
                                          style="line-height: 18px;"
                                          class=""><span
                                            style="font-family:
                                            "Times New Roman",
                                            serif;" class="">I indeed
                                            see what you mean.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
                              <p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class=""><span
                                  style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
                                    style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
                                      style="font-family: Calibri,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><span
                                        style="font-size: 12pt;"
                                        class="" lang="EN-US"><span
                                          style="line-height: 18px;"
                                          class=""><span
                                            style="font-family:
                                            "Times New Roman",
                                            serif;" class="">Since the
                                            constant velocity of light
                                            is established in such
                                            certain terms as an absolute
                                            velocity, what actually came
                                            to my mind was the idea of
                                            possibly establishing the
                                            asymptotic speed of light
                                            itself as the absolute
                                            reference with respect to
                                            which all motion could be
                                            measured.</span></span></span></span></span><br
                                    class="">
                                  <br class="">
                                  I'll have a look at Albrecht's work.</span></p>
                              <br class="">
                              André<br class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <i class="">On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:25:40
                                -0500, "Chip Akins"<span
                                  class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><chipakins@gmail.com
                                  class="">wrote:</chipakins@gmail.com></i><br
                                class="">
                              <br class="">
                              <div class="WordSection1" style="page:
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                                  class=""><span class="">Hi Andre (and
                                    Albrecht) and All<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
                                  font-family: "Times New
                                  Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
                                  class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  class=""><span class="">I think that
                                    if Einstein’s statement “<i class="">light
                                      is propagated in empty space with
                                      a velocity c which is independent
                                      of the motion of the source</i>”
                                    is true, then the only reference
                                    which makes any sense is the frame
                                    of space itself. It is implicit
                                    within the statement that the
                                    reference frame for this velocity is
                                    space itself. Lorentz argued that
                                    there must be a fixed frame of space
                                    for these same reasons.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
                                  class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  class=""><span class="">What we
                                    observe is exactly compatible with
                                    this concept, that there is a fixed
                                    frame of space, and that we are not
                                    able to measure our motion relative
                                    to that fixed frame because matter
                                    is made of confined propagating
                                    energy which moves at the same
                                    velocity as light. Then, in a
                                    Euclidian three dimensional space,
                                    we would experience the exact
                                    transformations Lorentz suggested
                                    are required. As a result we would
                                    always measure the speed of light to
                                    be the same speed. In this causal
                                    form of relativity there is no room
                                    for the supposition that all motion
                                    is relative. For motion is, in such
                                    a situation, relative to the frame
                                    of space.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
                                  class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
                                  class=""><span class="">The impulse
                                    which is momentum (a specific force
                                    for a finite time) is quite
                                    compatible, it seems, with your
                                    concept of the importance of kinetic
                                    energy in the behavior of
                                    propagating disturbances which make
                                    up all particles.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
                                  class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
                                  class=""><span class="">One reason I
                                    am interested in the kinetic energy
                                    analysis is because it would be nice
                                    to better understand the subject of
                                    momentum as it refers to the
                                    propagation of energy through space.
                                    I think it would be helpful if we
                                    understood the mechanisms which
                                    create this momentum.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
                                  font-family: "Times New
                                  Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
                                  class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
                                  class=""><span class="">Albrecht has
                                    done some work in this area, using a
                                    novel approach which evaluates the
                                    behavior of “extended bodies” in
                                    space, which is also very
                                    interesting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                <div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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                                  class=""><span class="">Chip<o:p
                                      class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                  class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>André
                                        Michaud [<a
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                                        <b class="">Sent:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
                                        November 03, 2017 11:23 AM<br
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                                        <b class="">To:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
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                                        <b class="">Cc:</b><span
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                                        <b class="">Subject:</b><span
                                          class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                                        Fwd: [General] Relativity<o:p
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                                      class="">Hi Chip,</span><span
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                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                      class="">I have been thinking
                                      about what you wrote here:</span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                      class="">"Einstein stated that “<i
                                        class="">light is propagated in
                                        empty space with a velocity c
                                        which is independent of the
                                        motion of the source</i>”, which
                                      is an incomplete statement,
                                      logically inconsistent, because<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                        class="">the<i class=""><span
                                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>velocity
                                          c in empty space<span
                                            class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>has
                                        no meaning, unless we use the
                                        fixed frame of space, or some
                                        other reference, as the logical
                                        reference for that velocity.</b><span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>A
                                      velocity simply must be stated in
                                      reference to something."</span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                      class="">My own view on this
                                      hinges on the kinetic energy
                                      viewpoint that you seem to have
                                      taken an interest in.</span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                      class="">On page 14 of my paper on
                                      the de Broglie photon hypothesis,
                                      you will find my take on this
                                      issue, which relates the "<b
                                        class="">some other logical
                                        reference</b>" that you mention,
                                      to the physical presence of
                                      momentum related translational
                                      kinetic energy:</span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p style="font-family: "Times New
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                                      class="">"Now this brings up the
                                      old issue of what this<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                      class="" lang="EN-CA">"</span><span
                                      class="">equilibrium</span><span
                                      class="" lang="EN-CA">"<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                      class="">constant velocity of
                                      photons in vacuum (free moving
                                      kinetic energy) is relative to in
                                      reality. Is it relative to the
                                      medium? To the point of emission?
                                      To the point of absorption? To the
                                      observer? To this or that
                                      reference frame, or multiple
                                      reference frames, inertial, non
                                      inertial, Galilean, moving or not,
                                      etc.?</span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p style="font-family: "Times New
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                                      class="">A deeply ingrained habit
                                      has developed since the beginning
                                      of the 20th century to hypothesize
                                      various reference frames in
                                      attempts to make sense of the
                                      experimentally observed data. But
                                      in physical reality, velocity
                                      depends on only one criterion: the
                                      actual presence of translational
                                      kinetic energy. If translational
                                      kinetic energy is present and if
                                      the local electromagnetic
                                      equilibrium allows it, there will
                                      be velocity in vacuum, relative to
                                      there being absence of
                                      translational kinetic energy,
                                      irrespective of any hypothesized
                                      reference frame or frames.<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p style="font-family: "Times New
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                                      class=""><span class="">The
                                        absolute lower velocity limit</span></u><span
                                      class="">, as seen from this
                                      perspective, would be an electron
                                      possessing zero translational
                                      kinetic energy in excess the
                                      energy making up its rest mass. Of
                                      course, such an electron totally
                                      deprived of translational kinetic
                                      energy can only be theoretical,
                                      because all massive particles are
                                      subject to gravitational or
                                      electrostatic acceleration in
                                      physical reality from the moment
                                      they start existing.<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
                                  <p style="font-family: "Times New
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                                      class=""><span class="">The
                                        absolute upper velocity limit</span></u><span
                                      class=""><span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>involving
                                      electromagnetic oscillation is
                                      reached when an amount of
                                      translational (aka unidirectional)
                                      kinetic energy propels<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                        class=""><u class="">an equal
                                          amount</u></b><span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
                                      kinetic energy captive in
                                      transverse electromagnetic
                                      oscillation, that is, a free
                                      moving photon for example, as
                                      described in this paper.<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                      class=""><span class="">The only
                                        other possible case</span></u><span
                                      class=""><span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>between
                                      these two limits involving
                                      electromagnetic oscillation,
                                      applies to an amount of kinetic
                                      energy captive in transverse
                                      electromagnetic oscillation being
                                      propelled by<span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
                                        class=""><u class="">a lesser
                                          amount</u></b><span
                                        class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
                                      translational kinetic energy, such
                                      as the kinetic energy making up
                                      the rest mass of an electron, plus
                                      the transversely oscillating half
                                      of its carrier-photon's kinetic
                                      energy, both quantities being
                                      propelled by the unidirectional
                                      half of the carrier-photon's
                                      quantum of kinetic energy. The
                                      velocity of such a system will
                                      mandatorily lie between zero and
                                      asymptotically close to the speed
                                      of light."</span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                      class="">This is the one logical
                                      possible other reference that I
                                      have identified.</span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                      class="">Best Regards</span><span
                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
                                        class=""></o:p></span></p>
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                                      style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class="">--- André
                                      Michaud<br class="">
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                                    <span style="font-family: Arial,
                                      sans-serif;" class=""><i class="">On
                                        Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45 -0700,
                                        Richard Gauthier wrote:</i><br
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                                      Forwarded from Chip<span
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                                            forwarded message:<o:p
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                                            class="">"Chip Akins" <</span><a
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
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                                              class="">chipakins@gmail.com</span></a><span
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                                              class="">Subject:
                                              [General] Relativity</span></b><span
                                            style="font-family: Arial,
                                            sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
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                                              class="">Date:<span
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                                            class="">October 31, 2017 at
                                            6:46:19 AM PDT</span><span
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                                            class="">"'Nature of Light
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                                            class="">Nature of Light and
                                            Particles - General
                                            Discussion <</span><a
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                                              class="">Hi Grahame (and
                                              Andre)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              class="">A while back, we
                                              briefly discussed the idea
                                              that SR is not “logically
                                              self-consistent” even
                                              though many conclude that
                                              it is mathematically
                                              self-consistent.<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              class="">Regarding logical
                                              self-consistent issues…<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
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                                              class="">In order to
                                              address this point I think
                                              we would need to take a
                                              look at the “landscape” as
                                              it relates to
                                              “relativity”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
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                                              class="">While doing this,
                                              if we look at causes,
                                              which is to say that we
                                              use the concept of
                                              cause-and-effect as our
                                              guiding principle, as you
                                              have properly stressed, we
                                              can come to logical
                                              conclusions which simply
                                              do not agree with SR in
                                              all details.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              class="">So we can take a
                                              look at many of the known
                                              conditions to guide the
                                              development of a composite
                                              view of the causes for
                                              “relativity”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              class="">Sound waves
                                              travel through a medium.
                                              Sound waves exhibit the
                                              Doppler Effect simply
                                              because they travel at a
                                              “fixed” speed through a
                                              “homogeneous” medium,
                                              regardless of the velocity
                                              of the object emitting the
                                              waves.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
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                                              class="">Light also
                                              exhibits the Doppler
                                              Effect in space.<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
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                                              class="">So there is an
                                              indication that some
                                              similarities may exist
                                              between the causes of the
                                              Doppler Effect in sound
                                              and in light.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              class="">Einstein stated
                                              that “<i class="">light is
                                                propagated in empty
                                                space with a velocity c
                                                which is independent of
                                                the motion of the source</i>”,
                                              which is an incomplete
                                              statement, logically
                                              inconsistent, because the<i
                                                class="">velocity c in
                                                empty space</i>has no
                                              meaning, unless we use the
                                              fixed frame of space, or
                                              some other reference, as
                                              the logical reference for
                                              that velocity. A velocity
                                              simply must be stated in
                                              reference to something.<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              class="">Einstein also
                                              stated that, “<i class="">Absolute
                                                uniform motion cannot be
                                                detected by any means.</i>”
                                              Which is indicated by
                                              experiment as well. So no
                                              problem here.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
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                                              class="">And he then
                                              followed with the
                                              assertion that “<i
                                                class="">This is to say
                                                that the concept of
                                                absolute rest and the
                                                ether have no meaning.</i>”
                                              (<i class="">Paraphrased</i>)<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
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                                              class="">This second
                                              conclusion is<i class="">not</i>fully
                                              logically supported by the
                                              evidence presented, and is
                                              logically inconsistent
                                              with the assertion that “<i
                                                class="">light is
                                                propagated in empty
                                                space with a velocity c
                                                which is independent of
                                                the motion of the source</i>”.
                                              There are alternate
                                              interpretations of this
                                              evidence which are more
                                              causal and logical than
                                              this.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
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                                              class="">First, our
                                              inability to measure
                                              something does not
                                              necessarily make it
                                              meaningless. There are a
                                              myriad examples we can
                                              give of things which we
                                              cannot directly measure,
                                              but we have come to
                                              accept, because of
                                              indirect evidence which
                                              stipulates their
                                              existence.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
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                                              class="">We can however,
                                              from the evidence,
                                              reconstruct a set of
                                              conditions, which is
                                              causal, and yields results
                                              which match observation.<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
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                                              class="">For example, if
                                              light is made of “stuff”
                                              that propagates through a
                                              fixed frame of space at c,
                                              and if matter is made of
                                              confined versions of the
                                              same “stuff” also
                                              propagating (in
                                              confinement) at c in a
                                              fixed frame of space, then
                                              we would have exactly this
                                              set of circumstances. We
                                              would not be able to
                                              detect our motion through
                                              space by using an
                                              apparatus like the
                                              Michelson-Morley
                                              experiment. Note: This
                                              approach does not relegate
                                              as meaningless anything
                                              which may in fact be quite
                                              important.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
                                          <div style="background-color:
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                                              class="">But if “<i
                                                class="">the concept of
                                                absolute rest and the
                                                ether have no meaning.”</i>Then
                                              how do we explain<i
                                                class="">“light is
                                                propagated in empty
                                                space with a velocity c
                                                which is independent of
                                                the motion of the
                                                source”</i>and the
                                              resultant Doppler Effect
                                              when a moving object emits
                                              light?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
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                                              class="">While I am fully
                                              aware of the explanation
                                              that EM radiation is
                                              represented by vector
                                              “fields”, and that they
                                              somehow could propagate
                                              through an empty space at
                                              a fixed velocity justified
                                              only by the math. That is
                                              a less satisfactory answer
                                              logically because it does
                                              not present<i class="">physical</i>cause.
                                              This consideration, and
                                              the Doppler Effect,
                                              coupled with the
                                              underlying physical cause
                                              mentioned above, for us
                                              not being able to detect
                                              our own motion through
                                              space, yields two
                                              logically consistent
                                              reasons for looking at
                                              space as a sort of medium,
                                              with a “fixed” frame.<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
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                                              class="">Lorentz
                                              transformations are a
                                              natural result of the
                                              situation mentioned above
                                              regarding the constitution
                                              of light a matter. These
                                              transformations are
                                              required under the
                                              circumstances where light
                                              and matter are made of the
                                              same “stuff” and that
                                              stuff moves at the fixed
                                              speed c in a fixed frame
                                              of space. This all occurs
                                              in a 3 dimensional
                                              Euclidian space.<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
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                                              class="">So there is a
                                              more logically consistent,
                                              causal view, than the one
                                              proposed by SR.<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div class="">
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                                              class="">When we run the
                                              math describing the
                                              situation where space is a
                                              medium in which the
                                              propagation of
                                              disturbances is a fixed
                                              velocity, and light and
                                              matter are made of these
                                              disturbances, we obtain
                                              the set of Lorentz
                                              transformations, and cause
                                              for “relativity” is shown,
                                              precisely and clearly.
                                              This is a logically
                                              consistent basis, and one
                                              which shows cause. In
                                              contrast to SR, which is a
                                              different interpretation
                                              of the same starting
                                              information, but does not
                                              show cause, and does not
                                              appear to be as logically
                                              consistent.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              class="">Are there ways to
                                              present this and related
                                              information which better
                                              illustrates the case from
                                              a logical basis?<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
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                                              class="">Thoughts?<o:p
                                                class=""></o:p></span></div>
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