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<p>Thomas:</p>
<p>Yes i definitely agree there is an ether <br>
</p>
<p>but i'm working on a theory that will include the 1st person
experiences and from that point of view the ether would be the</p>
<p>background space of imagination within which we visualize our
theories and the constant "c" is the speed of the 1st person's Now
which would be constant for any observation - write up a beginning
idea in a paper for the Vigier IX conference but has not be
published so far.</p>
<p>best</p>
<p>Wolf<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
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tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/2017 6:21 AM, Thomas Andersen
wrote:<br>
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Here is a talk by Einstein on the same subject (1920)
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href="http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Extras/Einstein_ether.html"
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<div class="">"<span style="font-family: -webkit-standard;
font-size: medium; text-align: justify; background-color:
rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Recapitulating, we may say that
according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed
with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there
exists an ether."</span></div>
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<div class="">On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Wolfgang Baer <<a
href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@nascentinc.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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this interesting article regarding Einstein's take on
the ether<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
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rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Journal%20Reprints-Relativity%20Theory/Download/3313"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Journal%20Reprints-Relativity%20Theory/Download/3313</a></p>
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rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Perhaps his theories have
been misunderstood by those who follow, wouldn't be the
first time</p>
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Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
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background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 11/7/2017 3:40
AM, Dr Grahame Blackwell wrote:<br class="">
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<div class=""><font class="" size="2"><font class=""
face="Arial"><font class="" color="#000080">Hi
Richard,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
style="font-family: Arial;" class="">André,
Wolf, and All,</span></font></font></font></div>
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face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
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<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">André, I'm delighted that others, too,
are now coming to this conclusion. I don't feel
that your conclusion is really in any way
different from mine - my perception of the
situation is pretty much identical to yours. The
difference lies, not in how we perceive the
situation, but in what we are describing. I have
described the actuality of the totality of
wavefronts at any given instant, you have (as I
understand it) described the experience of that
totality as it is mediated/filtered by our
physical senses and interpreted by the brain; this
matches exactly how I see our assimilation of data
from our immersive environment (though I would say
the whole brain rather than just neocortex - since
limbic system, reptilian brain, etc all contribute
to our picture of the reality that we inhabit
[including our own body]).</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">In other writings I have proposed that
experience of its environment by, for example, a
bat would be radically different from our own,
since its internal 'preprocessor logic' would be
dealing with quite a different set of inputs:
presumably a bat has a major part of its brain
given over to processing sound signals to produce
a picture of its surroundings, comparable to that
produced by our visual cortex; it would be
ludicrous to suppose that a bat would have to
figure out what incoming sound signals meant in
terms of the topography of the fast-moving
'terrain' around it. Similarly for IR sensors in
a snake, and all sorts of other sensors in fish
etc.</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">Richard, I fully agree that our sense of
'now' must surely be a 'moving sample' of short
duration - I believe this has been shown to be the
case by research, also point sources would not
allow for extrapolation of meaningful observations
(e.g. a colour must necessarily require at least a
fragment of wave in order to identify frequency -
this is part of the role of sensors, which must
therefore have a 'time-sampling' element about
them .. . . which we know to be the case since
photon absorption itself takes a finite time).</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">I also agree, without question, that the
Pythagorean relationship between time-experience,
velocity and c is a more appropriate
representation if the interrelationship between
these qualities than the hyperbolic relationship -
this has been a central tenet of all that I've
published on this subject over the past 20 years.
It was for some time a puzzle to me why people
would choose to favour the complexity of the
hyperbolic model over the clear (and
clean) reality of the Pythagorean description - I
liken it to choosing to opt for the Greeks'
epicycloids for orbits in a geocentric system
rather than the elliptical orbits of a
heliocentric system. I concluded (and calculated)
after a while that it's all down to appearances
(for us as for the Greeks): the Pythagorean
relationship, coupled with other real-world
phenomena such as electromagnetic foreshortening
of objects in motion, leads a moving observer to
experience the illusion of a fully reciprocal
relationship - considering themself to be at rest,
the observer will experience the illusion that
others in different states of motion (including
the objective rest-state) are in fact subject to
'relativistic' effects. As I keep saying, SR
is an observer effect.</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">This in turn leads to the illusion of
full reciprocity - the equivalence (and so also
symmetry) of all intertial 'frames'. The
hyperbolic model is fully symmetric, whereas the
Pythagorean is not. If one chooses to go with the
illusion rather than (I contend) objective reality
then, just as the Greeks allowed their illusion to
dictate a more complex model of the universe, so
do we (collectively - with some exceptions).</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">Clearly the hyperbolic model is faithful
to observation and measurement - this is a point
that I have always stressed - since all observers
and measuring instruments are subject to this
'illusion' (measurements by instruments will be
affected by the helical nature of the energy-flows
forming their constituent particles); in this
respect of course that model is hugely useful -
one might say absolutely essential. However, to
then on that basis attribute to objective reality
the metaphysical property of 'frame symmetry' -
leading, for example, to the same train actually
BEING (not just seeming to be) different lengths
depending on whether one is on the train, watching
it from the track-side or observing it from a
high-speed aircraft - makes as much sense to me as
the notion that planets ARE in fact bouncing
around a complex path akin to the path of a fly on
the rim of a bicycle wheel being rolled around the
outside of a large drum! I reiterate, in BOTH
cases I believe that finding causation for such
claimed properties could be hugely difficult!</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">One might ask: if the observed data fits
the hyperbolic model so well, why am I (and
others) so sure that the Pythagorean model fits
the true reality? My answer is one word: Occam.
The Pythagorean model requires NO additional
explanation for ALL observed effects other than
known physical properties, including the
now well-attested principle that particles of
matter are (or at least can be) formed from
photons of electromagnetic energy; by contrast,
just an explanation of how a railway train
obligingly adjusts its length to simultaneously
suit a passenger, a track-worker and a jet pilot
so that frame symmetry is not breached could
involve quite a few as-yet-unknown (and
unimaginable!) properties of material reality.
(That 'causation' thing again.)</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">I need to reiterate: THIS MATTERS! It
matters absolutely hugely! (Mainstream) Physics
is at present (I would contend) stuck in a
cul-de-sac of its own making, unable to move
forward on such crucial matters as fundamentals of
gravitation as it insists on finding a
frame-independent formulation. Releasing that
self-imposed constraint would free things up
absolutely phenomenally!</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">I'm actually finding this discussion very
exciting! We're now talking about the role of the
observer, and of the consciousness of that
observer, in the process. This, to me, is a major
step forward.</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class=""></span></font> </div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">Thanks guys!</span></font></div>
<div class=""><font class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial"><span style="font-family: Arial;"
class="">Grahame</span></font></div>
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November 06, 2017 6:55 PM</div>
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[General] Relativity</div>
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<div class="">Hi Grahame, <span style="font-family:
Arial;" class="">André, Wolf, Chip and others,</span></div>
<div class=""><font class="" face="Arial"> I also
have a sense that our experienced sense of “now”
(which is probably not a mathematical point in
time but a very short experienced interval which
could be different for different people) is
related to the speed of light. The best
objective measure of experienced time that I
know of is one's “wristwatch time” or proper
time tau, which moves with a person or object
and indicates passing moments of “now” for that
person or object (c tau is zero for a photon).
Several people, the first I think being Lewis
Carroll Epstein in his 1981 book “Relativity
Visualized”, discovered that proper time tau (or
rather c tau) can be the 4th orthogonal
dimension on a Minkowski-type diagram, rather
than coordinate time t (or ct) in the usual
Minkowski spacetime diagram. This approach
simplifies Minkowski diagram math (from
hyperbolic to pythagorean), removes the need for
light cones, and also suggests the idea that
every person (or object with mass) is traveling
through time at light-speed, whether standing
still or moving. Please see "</font>Relativity
Simplified by Modified Minkowski Metric Spacetime
and Momentum-Energy Diagrams” at <a
href="https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">https://richardgauthier.academia.edu</a> .</div>
<div class=""> Richard</div>
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<div class="">On Nov 6, 2017, at 6:48 AM, André
Michaud <<a href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="">srp2@srpinc.org</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">Hi Grahame,</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">You write "</span></span><i
class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i><i
class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">At any given instant in
time a snapshot of the physical
state of the universe is given
by the totality of the leading
edges (or wavefronts) of the
electromagnetic energy flows
that make up all the particles
and free energies in the
universe at that time</span></span></i><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">I must say that I also
drew converging conclusions with
regard to time, and so did a group
of European researchers.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">You might be interested
in an article published last year
by Amrit Sorli et al. analyzing
what Einstein called the "NOW"
moment, title "Cosmology of
Einstein's NOW":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class=""><a
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;"
class="">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">My personal conclusion is
only slightly different from
yours, as I would formulate this
idea as:</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class=""> "</span></span><i
class=""><span style="font-size:
12pt;" class="" lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>At
any given instant in time each
of us records in his neocortex
what his senses let him perceive
of the physical state of the
universe given by the totality
of the leading edges (or
wavefronts) of the
electromagnetic energy flows
that make up all the particles
and free energies in the
universe at that instant of time</span></span></i><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">"</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">Each of us thus
internally builds a personal, thus
subjective, model of what is
occurring in physical reality as
the "present moment" progresses,
which "present moment" is the only
moment that we can be aware of.</span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">My own conclusions in
this regard can be found in
Section "8. The Time Dimension" of
this article, titled "</span></span><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">On the Birth of the
Universe and the Time Dimension in
the 3-Spaces Model</span></span><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class="">":</span></span></span></span></span></p>
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style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;" class=""
lang="EN-CA"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class=""><a
href="http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: blue;
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class="">http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial">I have no doubt that time is a
subjective experience of consciousness -
that, as you say, the speed of light is in
fact the speed at which consciousness moves
through 'instants' of reality, i.e. as you
put it: "<font class="" size="3" face="Times
New Roman">Einstein's constant becomes<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><font
class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial">[IS, in fact]</font>the
speed of each observer's "Now".</font>"</font></div>
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class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial">I first presented this view
myself 10 years ago in an article in
published the journal of the Scientific
& Medical Network [Network Review, Issue
95, Dec 2007], in the following words:</font></div>
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class="" size="2" color="#000080"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:
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"Times New Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><font class="" size="2"
color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
class="" face="Times New Roman"><b
class=""><u class=""><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
class="">The Role of Consciousness
in Time Perception</span></u></b></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:
justify; margin: 6px 15px 0px; font-family:
"Times New Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><font class="" size="2"
color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
class="" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
class="">At any given instant in time
a snapshot of the physical state of
the universe is given by the totality
of the leading edges (or wavefronts)
of the electromagnetic energy flows
that make up all the particles and
free energies in the universe at that
time. (In passing it's worth noting
that this may have a bearing on
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle,
since the 'position' of a fundamental
sub-atomic particle will at that
instant be reduced to a single point
in the cyclic path of the energy flow
forming that particle – which will
vary in position and direction at
different points in that cycle.)</span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:
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"Times New Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><font class="" size="2"
color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
class="" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
class="">As time progresses successive
snapshots will be given by
corresponding advances in each of
those energy flows. From the point of
view of an eternal observer,
unhampered by the temporal limitation
of observing only one instant at a
time, each of those energy flows will
form a continuous thread weaving its
way through space as it also
progresses through what we call
'time'.</span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:
justify; margin: 6px 15px 0px; font-family:
"Times New Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;"><font class="" size="2"
color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
class="" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
class="">Almost certainly our
perception of three-dimensional space
is a consciousness-mapping of some
deeper reality, but since we're built
to think in these terms it makes sense
to visualise that succession of
snapshots by some spatial analogy. A
common model is to think of a
succession of frames from a cine film
or video recording, but this tends to
lose the continuity of those energy
flows. Perhaps a better model is that
of a four-dimensional spherical
crystal, growing outwards from the
centre as time progresses (though of
course from the eternal perspective
that crystal simply<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><i class="">is</i></b>).</span></font></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:
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font-size: 12pt;"><font class="" size="2"
color="#000080" face="Arial"><font
class="" face="Times New Roman"><span
style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);"
class="">Each instant in time is then
an infinitely thin three-dimensional
layer of that hypersphere, like the
layers of an onion. The strands of
light-energy snake outwards from the
Source at the centre, weaving their
intricate patterns of successive
instants of reality in synchronisation
with one another as they shape our
ongoing cosmic destiny. Consciousness,
flowing outward from the Source at the
speed of light, experiences successive
layers of this amazing hypersphere of
light as instants of being, each
perfect in its own way.</span></font></font></p>
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face="Arial">"</font></div>
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class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial">[If others think this crazy (as
they may), I invite them to consider
observations by Planck and<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span
class="st">Schrödinger</span><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>on
consciousness, which they both considered to
bethe fundamental driving force of the
universe.]</font></div>
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class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial">I'd agree also that "<font
class="" size="3" face="Times New Roman">the
speed of light is constant for every
observer because it is tied to the
material which generates the space of that
observer</font>" [and, of course, that
observer themself]. This is totally
consistent with the logical observation that
the 'time-experience' of that observer will
itself be affected by those energy flows and
the rate at which they pass through/around
the observer (and any instruments they may
use) - and so the time-experience of any
observer/instrument will be tied to its
state of motion ("reference frame") exactly
in accordance with the findings of SR.</font></div>
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class="" size="2" color="#000080"
face="Arial">I.e. SR is an observer effect
caused by the variation in cyclic-to-linear
ratio of energy flows in an observer's
'reference frame' affecting the rate at
which consciousness experiences the passage
of time.</font></div>
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class="">From:</b><span
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title="wolf@nascentinc.com"
href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" style="color:
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class="">Wolfgang Baer</a></div>
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<div style="font-style: normal;
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November 05, 2017 10:43 PM</div>
<div style="font-style: normal;
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arial;" class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[General] Relativity</div>
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<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">At the risk of both repeating and
sounding crazy</p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
Roman", serif; margin-left: 0in;
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class="">I've been developing a theory of
physics that includes subjective experiences
and identifies a background space with every
observer</p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">It would then seem that the speed
of light is constant for every observer
because it is tied to the material which
generates the space of that observer. If we
look at the relationship between observer
and the reference frame and realize the
reference frame defines the space for that
observer Einstein's constant becomes the
speed of each observers "Now"</p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
Roman", serif; margin-left: 0in;
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class="">I have a paper for the Vigier
conference tat explores this possibility
which I will send if interest exists</p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">Wolf</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2017
12:37 PM, André Michaud wrote:</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:201711031937.vA3JbwYW009823@mail68c0.megamailservers.com"
type="cite" class="">
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<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class=""><span
style="font-family:
"Times New Roman",
serif;" class="">Hi Chip,</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class=""><span
style="font-family:
"Times New Roman",
serif;" class="">I indeed
see what you mean.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 10pt;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span
style="line-height: 16px;" class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size: 12pt;"
class="" lang="EN-US"><span
style="line-height: 18px;"
class=""><span
style="font-family:
"Times New Roman",
serif;" class="">Since the
constant velocity of light
is established in such
certain terms as an absolute
velocity, what actually came
to my mind was the idea of
possibly establishing the
asymptotic speed of light
itself as the absolute
reference with respect to
which all motion could be
measured.</span></span></span></span></span><br
class="">
<br class="">
I'll have a look at Albrecht's work.</span></p>
<br class="">
André<br class="">
<br class="">
<i class="">On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:25:40
-0500, "Chip Akins"<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><chipakins@gmail.com
class="">wrote:</chipakins@gmail.com></i><br
class="">
<br class="">
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WordSection1;">
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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class=""><span class="">Hi Andre (and
Albrecht) and All<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class="">I think that
if Einstein’s statement “<i class="">light
is propagated in empty space with
a velocity c which is independent
of the motion of the source</i>”
is true, then the only reference
which makes any sense is the frame
of space itself. It is implicit
within the statement that the
reference frame for this velocity is
space itself. Lorentz argued that
there must be a fixed frame of space
for these same reasons.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class="">What we
observe is exactly compatible with
this concept, that there is a fixed
frame of space, and that we are not
able to measure our motion relative
to that fixed frame because matter
is made of confined propagating
energy which moves at the same
velocity as light. Then, in a
Euclidian three dimensional space,
we would experience the exact
transformations Lorentz suggested
are required. As a result we would
always measure the speed of light to
be the same speed. In this causal
form of relativity there is no room
for the supposition that all motion
is relative. For motion is, in such
a situation, relative to the frame
of space.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
font-family: "Times New
Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class="">The impulse
which is momentum (a specific force
for a finite time) is quite
compatible, it seems, with your
concept of the importance of kinetic
energy in the behavior of
propagating disturbances which make
up all particles.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
font-family: "Times New
Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class="">One reason I
am interested in the kinetic energy
analysis is because it would be nice
to better understand the subject of
momentum as it refers to the
propagation of energy through space.
I think it would be helpful if we
understood the mechanisms which
create this momentum.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class="">Albrecht has
done some work in this area, using a
novel approach which evaluates the
behavior of “extended bodies” in
space, which is also very
interesting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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Roman", serif; font-size: 12pt;"
class=""><span class="">Chip<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;
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class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div class="">
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12pt;" class=""><b class=""><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"
class="">From:</span></b><span
style="font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;"
class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>André
Michaud [<a
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style="color: purple;
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class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday,
November 03, 2017 11:23 AM<br
class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;">chipakins@gmail.com</a>;<span
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span
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Fwd: [General] Relativity<o:p
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<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">Hi Chip,</span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">I have been thinking
about what you wrote here:</span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">"Einstein stated that “<i
class="">light is propagated in
empty space with a velocity c
which is independent of the
motion of the source</i>”, which
is an incomplete statement,
logically inconsistent, because<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class="">the<i class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>velocity
c in empty space<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>has
no meaning, unless we use the
fixed frame of space, or some
other reference, as the logical
reference for that velocity.</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>A
velocity simply must be stated in
reference to something."</span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">My own view on this
hinges on the kinetic energy
viewpoint that you seem to have
taken an interest in.</span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">On page 14 of my paper on
the de Broglie photon hypothesis,
you will find my take on this
issue, which relates the "<b
class="">some other logical
reference</b>" that you mention,
to the physical presence of
momentum related translational
kinetic energy:</span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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12pt; margin-right: 0in;" class=""><span
class="">"Now this brings up the
old issue of what this<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
class="" lang="EN-CA">"</span><span
class="">equilibrium</span><span
class="" lang="EN-CA">"<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
class="">constant velocity of
photons in vacuum (free moving
kinetic energy) is relative to in
reality. Is it relative to the
medium? To the point of emission?
To the point of absorption? To the
observer? To this or that
reference frame, or multiple
reference frames, inertial, non
inertial, Galilean, moving or not,
etc.?</span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">A deeply ingrained habit
has developed since the beginning
of the 20th century to hypothesize
various reference frames in
attempts to make sense of the
experimentally observed data. But
in physical reality, velocity
depends on only one criterion: the
actual presence of translational
kinetic energy. If translational
kinetic energy is present and if
the local electromagnetic
equilibrium allows it, there will
be velocity in vacuum, relative to
there being absence of
translational kinetic energy,
irrespective of any hypothesized
reference frame or frames.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class=""><span class="">The
absolute lower velocity limit</span></u><span
class="">, as seen from this
perspective, would be an electron
possessing zero translational
kinetic energy in excess the
energy making up its rest mass. Of
course, such an electron totally
deprived of translational kinetic
energy can only be theoretical,
because all massive particles are
subject to gravitational or
electrostatic acceleration in
physical reality from the moment
they start existing.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class=""><span class="">The
absolute upper velocity limit</span></u><span
class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>involving
electromagnetic oscillation is
reached when an amount of
translational (aka unidirectional)
kinetic energy propels<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><u class="">an equal
amount</u></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
kinetic energy captive in
transverse electromagnetic
oscillation, that is, a free
moving photon for example, as
described in this paper.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class=""><span class="">The only
other possible case</span></u><span
class=""><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>between
these two limits involving
electromagnetic oscillation,
applies to an amount of kinetic
energy captive in transverse
electromagnetic oscillation being
propelled by<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b
class=""><u class="">a lesser
amount</u></b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
translational kinetic energy, such
as the kinetic energy making up
the rest mass of an electron, plus
the transversely oscillating half
of its carrier-photon's kinetic
energy, both quantities being
propelled by the unidirectional
half of the carrier-photon's
quantum of kinetic energy. The
velocity of such a system will
mandatorily lie between zero and
asymptotically close to the speed
of light."</span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">This is the one logical
possible other reference that I
have identified.</span><span
style="font-family: Arial,
sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="font-family: "Times New
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class="">Best Regards</span><span
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,
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Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45 -0700,
Richard Gauthier wrote:</i><br
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class="">Hi Grahame (and
Andre)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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class="">A while back, we
briefly discussed the idea
that SR is not “logically
self-consistent” even
though many conclude that
it is mathematically
self-consistent.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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class="">Regarding logical
self-consistent issues…<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="background-color:
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class="">In order to
address this point I think
we would need to take a
look at the “landscape” as
it relates to
“relativity”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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class="">While doing this,
if we look at causes,
which is to say that we
use the concept of
cause-and-effect as our
guiding principle, as you
have properly stressed, we
can come to logical
conclusions which simply
do not agree with SR in
all details.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">So we can take a
look at many of the known
conditions to guide the
development of a composite
view of the causes for
“relativity”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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class="">Sound waves
travel through a medium.
Sound waves exhibit the
Doppler Effect simply
because they travel at a
“fixed” speed through a
“homogeneous” medium,
regardless of the velocity
of the object emitting the
waves.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">Light also
exhibits the Doppler
Effect in space.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">So there is an
indication that some
similarities may exist
between the causes of the
Doppler Effect in sound
and in light.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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class="">Einstein stated
that “<i class="">light is
propagated in empty
space with a velocity c
which is independent of
the motion of the source</i>”,
which is an incomplete
statement, logically
inconsistent, because the<i
class="">velocity c in
empty space</i>has no
meaning, unless we use the
fixed frame of space, or
some other reference, as
the logical reference for
that velocity. A velocity
simply must be stated in
reference to something.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">Einstein also
stated that, “<i class="">Absolute
uniform motion cannot be
detected by any means.</i>”
Which is indicated by
experiment as well. So no
problem here.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">And he then
followed with the
assertion that “<i
class="">This is to say
that the concept of
absolute rest and the
ether have no meaning.</i>”
(<i class="">Paraphrased</i>)<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">This second
conclusion is<i class="">not</i>fully
logically supported by the
evidence presented, and is
logically inconsistent
with the assertion that “<i
class="">light is
propagated in empty
space with a velocity c
which is independent of
the motion of the source</i>”.
There are alternate
interpretations of this
evidence which are more
causal and logical than
this.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">First, our
inability to measure
something does not
necessarily make it
meaningless. There are a
myriad examples we can
give of things which we
cannot directly measure,
but we have come to
accept, because of
indirect evidence which
stipulates their
existence.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">We can however,
from the evidence,
reconstruct a set of
conditions, which is
causal, and yields results
which match observation.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">For example, if
light is made of “stuff”
that propagates through a
fixed frame of space at c,
and if matter is made of
confined versions of the
same “stuff” also
propagating (in
confinement) at c in a
fixed frame of space, then
we would have exactly this
set of circumstances. We
would not be able to
detect our motion through
space by using an
apparatus like the
Michelson-Morley
experiment. Note: This
approach does not relegate
as meaningless anything
which may in fact be quite
important.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">But if “<i
class="">the concept of
absolute rest and the
ether have no meaning.”</i>Then
how do we explain<i
class="">“light is
propagated in empty
space with a velocity c
which is independent of
the motion of the
source”</i>and the
resultant Doppler Effect
when a moving object emits
light?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">While I am fully
aware of the explanation
that EM radiation is
represented by vector
“fields”, and that they
somehow could propagate
through an empty space at
a fixed velocity justified
only by the math. That is
a less satisfactory answer
logically because it does
not present<i class="">physical</i>cause.
This consideration, and
the Doppler Effect,
coupled with the
underlying physical cause
mentioned above, for us
not being able to detect
our own motion through
space, yields two
logically consistent
reasons for looking at
space as a sort of medium,
with a “fixed” frame.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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class="">Lorentz
transformations are a
natural result of the
situation mentioned above
regarding the constitution
of light a matter. These
transformations are
required under the
circumstances where light
and matter are made of the
same “stuff” and that
stuff moves at the fixed
speed c in a fixed frame
of space. This all occurs
in a 3 dimensional
Euclidian space.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">So there is a
more logically consistent,
causal view, than the one
proposed by SR.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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Roman", serif;
font-size: 12pt;" class=""><span
class="">When we run the
math describing the
situation where space is a
medium in which the
propagation of
disturbances is a fixed
velocity, and light and
matter are made of these
disturbances, we obtain
the set of Lorentz
transformations, and cause
for “relativity” is shown,
precisely and clearly.
This is a logically
consistent basis, and one
which shows cause. In
contrast to SR, which is a
different interpretation
of the same starting
information, but does not
show cause, and does not
appear to be as logically
consistent.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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class="">Are there ways to
present this and related
information which better
illustrates the case from
a logical basis?<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div style="background-color:
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class="">Thoughts?<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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<div style="background-color:
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class="">Chip<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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