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<p>Chip;</p>
<p>Thanks for these references to the paper <br>
</p>
<p>The total non relativistic energy of an electron E = 1/2 mv<sup>2
</sup>where v is the orbital velocity in a bohr model so 2E = mv<sup>2
</sup>w and F= mv<sup>2 </sup>/r</p>
<p>So are you saying that there is a spin velocity of 'c" which
then has a force Fc= mc<sup>2 </sup>/r<sub>e</sub> <br>
</p>
<p>the quantum rule is spin angular momentum is mcr<sub>e</sub> =
1/2 h/2pi so solving for r<sub>e</sub> = ( 1/2 h/2pi )/mc = (
hc/2pi )/2mc<sup>2</sup> = ( hc/2pi )/2E</p>
<p>This makes mathematical sense but physically you are saying that
mass of an electron is spinning at the speed of light at radius<sub> </sub>
r<sub>e</sub> which is about 4 times smaller than its orbital
radius <br>
</p>
<p>Is the charge also rotating at the same radius?<br>
</p>
<p>And further you are claiming that this rotating mass is pulling
space apart? <br>
</p>
<p>Or perhaps is the rotating charge wanting to repel itself outward
pulling its associated mass along <br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72"><font size="+1">How is the charge and mass held together?
Intriguing ideas?</font>
Wolf
Dr. Wolfgang Baer
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wolfgang<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. Good idea to concentrate on one
question at a time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->The
derivation of C<sub>F</sub> took me several pages of math, but
in short this constant is the value required. I will compile
all the derivation and send it to you later if you wish.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->When
you read through the paper you will see that the r<sub>e</sub>
defined in the paper <i>is not the classical electron radius</i>,
but is rather the radius which I refer to as the <i>action
radius</i> or the <i>momentum radius</i>, and you will find
it defined for the electron at rest as
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energy of the electron. This yields a spin angular momentum
if ½ ħ. But for a stable elementary fermion, with spin ½ ħ,
moving or at rest, the equation
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force Fc is defined using several different methods in the
paper, but all of the different methods yield the same result.
So you will find:
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src="cid:part8.629FD1F1.E8CD3AC5@nascentinc.com" class=""
height="27" width="41"></span><!--[endif]-->. (Note: The
total momentum of a photon is<!--[if gte msEquation 12]><m:oMath><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r> </m:r></span></i><m:sSub><m:sSubPr><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;font-style:italic'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:sSubPr><m:e><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>p</m:r></span></i></m:e><m:sub><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>T</m:r></span></i></m:sub></m:sSub><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>= </m:r></span></i><m:rad><m:radPr><m:degHide m:val="on"/><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;font-style:italic'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:radPr><m:deg></m:deg><m:e><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>2</m:r></span></i></m:e></m:rad><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;font-style:italic'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>E</m:r></span></i></m:num><m:den><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>c</m:r></span></i></m:den></m:f></m:oMath><![endif]--><!--[if !msEquation]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;position:relative;top:7.0pt;mso-text-raise:-7.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><img
id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part9.C5B0B18A.F23CE048@nascentinc.com" class=""
height="27" width="75"></span><!--[endif]-->)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph">All of these agree with the
conventional centripetal force equation: <!--[if gte msEquation 12]><m:oMath><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>F</m:r><m:r>=</m:r></span></i><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;font-style:italic'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>m</m:r><m:r> </m:r></span></i><m:sSup><m:sSupPr><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;font-style:italic'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:sSupPr><m:e><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>v</m:r></span></i></m:e><m:sup><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>2</m:r></span></i></m:sup></m:sSup></m:num><m:den><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>r</m:r></span></i></m:den></m:f><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>=</m:r></span></i><m:f><m:fPr><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;font-style:italic'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:fPr><m:num><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>p</m:r><m:r> </m:r><m:r>v</m:r></span></i></m:num><m:den><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>r</m:r></span></i></m:den></m:f><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r> </m:r></span></i></m:oMath><![endif]--><!--[if !msEquation]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;position:relative;top:7.0pt;mso-text-raise:-7.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><img
id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part10.F757C822.62E80E15@nascentinc.com" class=""
height="30" width="98"></span><!--[endif]--> when
considered in context of the electron model discussed. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->When
the term E is used it represents the energy of a particle, and
in the case of a massive particle it is of course
<!--[if gte msEquation 12]><m:oMath><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>E</m:r><m:r>=</m:r><m:r>m</m:r><m:r> </m:r></span></i><m:sSup><m:sSupPr><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;font-style:italic'><m:ctrlPr></m:ctrlPr></span></m:sSupPr><m:e><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>c</m:r></span></i></m:e><m:sup><i><span style='font-family:"Cambria Math",serif'><m:r>2</m:r></span></i></m:sup></m:sSup></m:oMath><![endif]--><!--[if !msEquation]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;position:relative;top:3.0pt;mso-text-raise:-3.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><img
id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part11.D1B34A03.28DF6F77@nascentinc.com" class=""
height="19" width="64"></span><!--[endif]--><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know if you have additional
questions. I appreciate your questions, and they are helping
me do a better job of providing definitions at the correct
time throughout the paper.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Wolfgang Baer [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com">mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 02, 2018 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chip Akins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"><chipakins@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Chip draft paper on Space<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>chip:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thank you for the answers I continue to be intrigued by the
space displacement concept. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>However I think it might be best to concentrate on one
question at a time. Where do these highly accurate numbers
come from?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>1. The force of energy of an elementary fermion is: Fc = E<sup>2</sup>
* C<sub>F</sub>, where the constant<br>
C<sub>F</sub> = 1.26521151107644E +26<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Where does this number come from? How do you define Fc and E
, are there measured values , is E = mc^2 for an electron at
rest for example. This is the only reference to E i found on
page 3. No Fc defined until page 14 there Fc is defined as
2E/re <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>but re =~ 1.2x10<sup>-12</sup>/ 6.2 but the classic electron
radius is 2.8x10<sup>-15</sup> , two orders of magnitude
difference and in any case only knwn to 10 decimal places not
the 14 you use so where do these numbers come from?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>wolf<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/31/2017 5:22 AM, Chip Akins wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wolfgang<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you. Very good questions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Please refer
to comments embedded.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Wolfgang Baer [<a href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chip Akins <a
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><chipakins@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Chip draft paper on
Space</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Comments inbedded<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/30/2017 5:15 AM, Chip Akins
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wolf<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the medium of space. It
consists of two components which can be thought of as tiny
nodes which are generally collocated in free (not
displaced) space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The distance between these pairs of
nodes may be Planck distance. But that is just
speculation. The nodes resist being displaced due to
tension (forces between nodes).<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">Could the two components be charge and
mass densities? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">No, both
components are related directly to charge. The component
displaced determines polarity of charge. The amount of
displacement determines charge density.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Mass is
created by the 3D confinement of momentum. Therefore
momentum density determines mass in charged particles.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That is as far as I have gotten toward
a description of space itself.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding waves in material media. The
major contributing factor to energy in these waves is <i>displacement
magnitude</i>. If you have a wave with the same
displacement magnitude and a higher frequency then yes you
have a bit more energy in that wave. But that is not the
general way we see waves behave in material media.
Generally we see the displacement magnitude change instead
of the frequency. But the natural occurrences we see of
waves in material media are not like the waves we
interpret from the behavior of light. In the behavior of
light we have a clear difference. That difference is
illustrated most clearly by Planck action.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The situation with light is such that
the energy of each quantized element of light is <i>entirely</i>
dependent on frequency. Not so in material media. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">So if mass and charge densities are
normally in a constant ratio but waves produce patterns of
differences which introduces tensions, if we assume the
constant is an equilibrium ratio, then one could imagine an
energy field produced by the waves. Could charge energy
displace mass? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">In free space
there is no charge and no mass. Charge and mass are only
produced by the mechanism of displacement, and the spin of
displacement respectively.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">An external
charge can displace the mechanism which creates mass. I
think that is covered in the paper.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">But it is not just about waves. The
photoelectric effect illustrates that no matter how bright
the light is (how many photons), no electrons are released
unless the frequency is above a certain threshold. So it
is about quantization. Which means localization of energy
in single “packets”. And the energy of these single
packets is then the question of interest.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">The frequency behavior of light suggests
some sort of resonance between the absorbing structure and
the oscillating field. Whether one should project wave
packets into light is debatable. <br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Of course.
But the more we explore and consider the results of
experiment the more likely it seems that light is
quantized. What I suggest is that the quantization is of
the displacement energy structure, and that the waves we
sense are a side effect of that quantization. The reasons
I suggest this is due to the simplicity of the entire
solution of matter and light. But light is then made of a
dipole of spinning longitudinal displacement and the wave
we can sense is the momentum of those spinning
longitudinal displacements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">One of the early challenges that I
faced was to understand how to reconcile the concept of
displacement with the behavior we see in particles. Using
conventional displacement formula in material media, as we
use when studying the physics of waves in these materials,
I would always get the opposite results of what we
actually observe in the study of particles. But our
physics in these studies is based on energy pushing on a
material media creating displacement.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But then, due to a suggestion by David
Mathes, I realized that energy of particles pulls on space
to displace space. Then all the pieces of the puzzle
began falling into place.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">again could electric energy displace mass
or vice versa<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Yes, the
force of electric charge and of magnetism can move massive
particles, so electric energy can “displace” mass.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">So the scenario I have suggested is a
reasonable and a complete description for this sort of
behavior of the “wave action” we measure in these single
quantized packets of light. <o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">NO we do not measure quantized packets of
light, we measure EM pulses from material and infer there
are descrete cannon ball like packets of oscillations. We
need to be open to seperating what we actually measure and
what we theorize into those measurements and then be open
to alternative theories<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Yes, and we
need to look at a means to explain <i>all of what we
measure</i>. For many years I believed that light was a
continuous wave. So I worked to try to prove that light
itself was not quantized into individual packets of
energy. But eventually it became clear to me that I was
just wrong.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">But not only does it address this issue
regarding light and the quantization of light, it
addresses the issue of elementary fermions as well. And
these elementary fermions display the charge and magnetic
fields we see in nature. When we move these fermions
their magnetic field is stronger just as we observe in
nature. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">moving charge generates magnetic fields ,
I do not understand how your theory of space displacement
explains the creation of magnetic fields<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">This issue is
probably not explained as well as it should be in the
paper. The spinning longitudinal displacements which
create charge also create the magnetic field. The magnetic
field is the reaction of the displacements of two
particles due to the spin of the displacements. A force
between displaced regions of space will cause both
longitudinal force (electric charge) and a perpendicular
force (the magnetic field) upon two spinning charged
particles in proximity. This is because the spinning
displacements which are the fields of these particles are
continually dynamically crossing each other due to spin.
So the transverse motion of the charge fields creates the
forces of the magnetic field between charged particles.
Which means that a particle which is moving through space
will exhibit a larger magnetic field than a particle at
rest, simply because of the added transverse motion of its
fields.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">What I have suggested would yield
precisely what we observe. So I am having trouble finding
what it is you feel is missing. Could you try to be more
specific in defining what is missing? I know that is
sometime difficult to do, but would appreciate the help.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">what is missing is the more detailed
theory I expect to find in references. I would like to get
such material if it is available. <br>
You claim the realization that energy of particles pulls on
space makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit - how does
energy pulling on space make the particle smaller? Where is
the math?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">This is a
great question. Thank you. Actually the math is all
there, but it is not all consolidated in a single topic to
clearly illustrate the principle. I will do just that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
If I imagine a particle of radius 1plank length is
accelerated , gains kinetic energy does it pull in space?
If so , then I would visualize space coordinate lines being
pulled into the particle radius and therefore as energy
increases I would expect the radius to be co-located with
space division markers that were further apart at lower
energies , so the particle would appear bigger not smaller
relative to the space coordinates defining its size.<br>
And i already mentions the question of how does energy
pulling on space generate a B-field<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Thank you
Wolfgang. I will do a better job of explaining both of
these topics in the current revision of the paper.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
Wolf<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Wolfgang Baer [<a href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 29, 2017 8:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chip Akins <a
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><chipakins@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Chip draft paper on
Space</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I understand the frequency wave length argument although
I've never quite squared that with the localization in
space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>but in your own words "<i>displacement of space would
need to be different than our experience with waves in a
material medium." </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>so simply stating that "if space is a medium' but not
one we are used to from experience with waves makes me
think what is missing is to</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>define exactly what kind of medium space is.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>Do higher frequency water waves not carry more energy
and can be considered to be smaller as well, more
energetic waves get bigger in amplitude but so do more
energetic light waves </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>some thing is missing </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>although I intuitively feel you are on to something
and I would like to understand it</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>happy New Year</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>Wolf</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/23/2017 5:03 AM, Chip Akins
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wolfgang<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You asked several questions regarding
the paper I circulated earlier.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I found those remarks and questions
to be very helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you don’t mind I would like to
take those questions and remarks one at a time and try
to resolve any problems in my presentation of those
topics.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">One of those questions was…<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>THEN I RUN INTO TROUBLE </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Where does this come from? P5:
“Since more energetic particles are smaller particles,
and if space is a medium, then the simplest
explanation is that energy displaces space toward the
particle center, and more energy therefore creates a
smaller particle.”</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So I have attempted to explain this
in the text below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know if I have
effectively explained this or if you still find any
issues with this attempt to explain in more detail.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Planck’s action indicates that
more energetic particles are smaller particles. A
photon with more energy has a shorter wavelength which
means a smaller extent of action. A fermion with more
energy is smaller than a fermion with less energy.
This is demonstrated by the effective charge radii of
nucleons and in several other ways. </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Since more energetic particles are
smaller particles, and if space is a medium, then the
simplest explanation is that energy displaces space
toward the particle center, and more energy therefore
creates a smaller particle. While exploring the
concept that energy causes a displacement of space,
and can propagate through space in the form of
displacements, it became clear that the nature of that
displacement of space would need to be different than
our experience with waves in a material medium. In a
material medium a more energetic wave is a larger
wave, but in space the opposite is very strongly
illustrated by experiment. The only explanation found
to remedy this dichotomy was to understand that energy
pulls on space to displace space, pulling toward the
particle center. This action is then responsible for
what we observe when we note that a more energetic
particle is a smaller particle. </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
Wolfgang Baer [<a
href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>;
Chip Akins <a href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><chipakins@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Chip draft paper on
Space</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Chip:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I read your paper there is a lot to like 3 D space,
Pre Einstein Relativity , Longitudinal EM waves ( i
think this is Near field stuff) the following quto is
excellent<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">P4:
What we are suggesting is that all of the items in the
numbered list above are satisfied in a three dimensional
Euclidian space, if we properly construct our
theoretical models, and that the concept is so elegant
and simple that we can easily begin to have the
sentiment expressed by Wheeler. Bell understood and
tried to tell us that the velocity c is not the limiting
velocity for all information in the universe. And what
we have discovered, about entanglement and many other
topics, indicate that Bell was right. When we refuse to
look beyond our existing theory, and we choose to
conduct research with<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">the
artificial mandate that c is a limiting velocity for
everything, we are forced to try to solve the puzzles by
adding extra dimensions to our universe. But when we
recognize the error, and find the specific importance
and cause of c and other velocities, then the pieces of
the puzzle are much more easily understood and
assembled.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">and
the case for an ether P5: “If space is really empty then
what is it that supports the wavefunctions of particles
themselves?”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Lorenzian
P6: “The direct implications of this are, space itself
is of a Euclidian geometry, and that motion of material
objects through a fixed frame of space causes these
transformations to material objects.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">THEN
I RUN INTO TROUBLE <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Where
does this come from? P5: “Since more energetic particles
are smaller particles, and if space is a medium, then
the simplest explanation is that energy displaces space
toward the particle center, and more energy therefore
creates a smaller particle.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none">What
in space is being displaced? P7<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-autospace:none">Where
do numbers to 14 decimal places come from?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:21.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The
force of energy of an elementary fermion is:, Fe= E<sup>2</sup>*C<sub>F
</sub>where the constant </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">C<sub>F
</sub> = </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif">1.26521151107644E
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif"></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif"> 26</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Is
there a direction to the force? is it internal to the
fermion or extending outward with interactions. Is E
here the mc<sup>2</sup> of the fermion? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">What
is a ”momentum radius”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It
sounds like you are attaching an infinitely extending
field to charges and then rotating the whole thing ,
or are you assuming a rotating charge which gives </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">forward
or bckward pressure waves to the attached field. Are
charges points or densities?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"><br>
<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lot’s
of missing definitions. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is
there a reference I am missing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">wolf</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:3.0pt;text-autospace:none"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/13/2017 5:41 AM, Chip Akins
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Grahame and All<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I tried to send a copy of the
paper, but it may have been rejected due to a “bounce”
message from the server.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That paper is attached here again.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
General [<a
href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dr Grahame Blackwell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 11, 2017 9:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nature of Light and Particles -
General Discussion' <a
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [General] Chip draft paper on
Space</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Hi
Chip & all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">That
sounds v. interesting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Unfortunately
it appears that the copy of your draft as received
here is damaged in some way: Acrobat reports an
error, and if I copy file to desktop and open
there it only shows one page (P. 13).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">I
don't know if others have a similar problem - but
I'd be most interested to read your thoughts,
Chip, if you could re-send it.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Many
thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:navy">Grahame</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">-----
Original Message ----- </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#E4E4E4"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:chipakins@gmail.com"
title="chipakins@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Chip Akins</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">To:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org"
title="srp2@srpinc.org" moz-do-not-send="true">srp2@srpinc.org</a>
; <a
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
title="general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">'Nature of Light and
Particles - General Discussion'</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
Monday, December 11, 2017 12:49 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> Re:
[General] Space</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi All<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have been working on something
which has proved quite interesting.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is an entirely different
approach describing space, particle, charge, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There is an early draft paper
attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please take a look and comment.
Any and all comments or criticisms are very welcomed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
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