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<p>Chip:</p>
<p>The point is we do not see objects out there, we process the
imagefalling on our retina using our encoded beliefs into a
mental mage display, we do not directly see objects but instead
created the perception with all its properties</p>
<p>If we saw objects directly they would not move when we fiddle
with the image in the experiment I described <br>
</p>
<p>And because we do not see object directly but only perceptions
that we believe is reality, once we realize reality is NOT objects
then the door is open to ask the question, "Is there a better
assumption about what explains our sensations?"</p>
<p>And a step along this path was taken by Quantum Theory which
substitutes probability waves for the classic object reality.</p>
<p>But probabilities are squirmy and unsatisfying to me and most of
us in the forum- instead as my paper for FQXI proposes I believe
reality is better described by events, and specifically closed
action cycles in time. This is not solipsism. It does not mean
there is nothing external. It means the next step in our world
view is to replace objects and probabilities with interacting
events. <br>
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<p>And specifically for your paper it means space is no longer an
independent objective thing out there but rather a creation that
explains certain repetitive sensations and therefore Lorenz is
right there is a fundamental background, and Einstein is right
every coordinate frame defines it own space. But neither of them
have made the next step. That we are all measuring through our
coordinate frames and learned theories that continue to evolve.</p>
<p>hope this helps it certainly helps me to try to find the words
that explain Plato's cave idea in modern terms.</p>
<p>wolf <br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/21/2018 1:57 PM, Chip Akins wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Wolf<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But we do have physical explanation for the
distortion of an image by a non-uniform convex lens. The
refractive properties of the lens are well known and
documented, so that we can accurately predict the distortion a
particular lens will cause.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">While we are made of material molecules,
atoms, and particles, which have an electromagnetic set of
characteristics, and that means that our perceptions are based
on our physical makeup, and our abilities to sense certain
electromagnetic interactions, the fundamental reality that
exists in the universe can continue to exist without any one
of us, or all of us.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The evidence indicates that it is not only
illogical but extremely arrogant to assume otherwise. Our
consciousness does not create material objects in the
universe, but it does allow us to sense and interpret what we
sense in various, sometimes erroneous, ways. There are many
ways for us to test this hypothesis, and we actually test it
many times each day. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just my two cents, and my 5 senses.
Opinion and tangible physical mechanisms respectively.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Chip<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wolfgang Baer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 21, 2018 2:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [General] To realists out there<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>To all:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I just submitted an essay contest to FQXI that is a short
version of the physics of the observer I am working on.<span
style="font-size:13.5pt"> One of the responses claims I am
completely off the mark and was signed "realist" </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Some of you may have the same "realist" inclinations so think of this simple experiment:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Consider any object lens image setup.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Bend the image screen and you will see the image is distorted, but no such distortion changes the object.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Now do the same thing but use your eye as the lens image part of the setup.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> Close one eye. With the other focus on an object - say a coffee cup on the desk 1 meter away. Now push the open eye from the side with your finger. This bends the retina and also moves or distorts the coffee cup.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">There is no physical mechanism in our current science that accounts for such a distortion of the coffee cup if the coffee cup you see is an independent object.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Conclusion: Neither the coffee cup nor anything we see in our daily environment is an independent objective reality. We are living in an interpretation of sensor interactions that is implemented by a physics inside the observer. Developing and defining this physics and straightening out the errors that have crept into our current physics due to the assumption that reality is the way we see it is the the the challenge confronting science today <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></pre>
<pre>If you want to look at the paper click on<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"><a href="https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3043" moz-do-not-send="true">https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3043</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If you want to rate it it might help me win, never know.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Thanks<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>Wolf<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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