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<p><font size="+1">Chandra,</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Which "something physically" exists in case of
the Coriolis force?<br>
Answer: It is an inertial mass.</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">And which </font><font size="+1">"something
physically" exists in case of magnetism?<br>
Answer: It is an electrical charge.</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Albrecht<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 26.02.2018 um 22:02 schrieb
Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Albrecht and the rest
of our colleagues::
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Albrecht: Thanks for
your patience in guiding me to delve into magnetism that I
never paid attention to before.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Now I see that it has
deep implications in understanding (further defining
properties of) the Complex Tension Field (CTF).
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">My current position
is that nothing can be perceived by another “test object”,
whether stationary or moving, unless something physically
exists in the first place.
<b><i>What is in the space around a charge that appears as a
magnetic field when the test magnetic field is in
“relative motion”?</i></b> Is it the temporal gradient
of a static charge-field? But, then we are back again to
Maxwell! Yet, I agree that Maxwell has not given us the
complete final physics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">I hope this question
alerts the enquiring minds of everybody in our group. I
believe, it is of some fundamental importance. I will keep
pondering.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Right now I am
looking for money to test the existence of a stationary CTF
guiding linear EM waves via “epsilon-not” and “mu-not”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Chandra. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
General
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Albrecht Giese<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 26, 2018 3:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Foundational questions
Tension field stable particles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Chandra:</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Let's begin with your question
at the end. </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">It is a good and a challenging
question in so far as we treat magnetism in our everyday
live in a way which does not reflect the true physics behind
it. Normally if we have to do it with magnetism, then it is
a magnetic dipole. And when we measure a magnetic field we
use another magnetic dipole, i.e. we measure the force or
the angular momentum onto this test dipole.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">The clean way to measure a
magnetic field is to use an electric test charge. If there
is a force acting on the test charge we have to check
whether this force can be explained by the presence of
another charge using the Coulomb law. Then we have to build
the difference between the force given by the Coulomb law
and the real force observed. This difference is "magnetism".
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If we say that the earth has a
magnetic field, we mean that it is a magnetic dipole. And we
measure the field strength by the use of another magnetic
dipole, we may call the latter one a "test-dipole".
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Now your question regarding
the Earth. To measure the magnetic field of the Earth
physically, one should use an electrical test charge and
measure the force on it. Now, if the earth is not
electrically charged, the result will be 0. That means no
magnetic field is detected. Should now the observer move
together with his charge in relation to the Earch, there
will be a force. That means during his motion he will see a
magnetic field. - This answers your question how it can be
achieved that an observer does not see a magnetic field.
Normally he will not see it anyway. Our daily experience is
of course different. Because if someone starts to measure
the magnetism of the earth he will use a dipole as said
above; with the conclusion that there is a magnetic field.
And it will be extremely difficult (I think impossible) to
move a dipole so that it will not see a magnetic field. The
reason is simple. In a magnetic dipole, which is generally a
coil with a current in it, there are always charges at some
position in the coil which are in a motion state to the
moving charges in the Earth, so one will register magnetism.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">You mention a "magnetic body".
I do not feel that this is a good way to name it. The
magnetic body at the end is an electric charge. And that one
is only "magnetic" if it is viewed from a certain
perspective.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Then you say: </span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">A propagating EM wave
has oscillating E and B vectors. A dipole oscillation
induces oscillating E, which generates its own restoring
force B, ...</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> Please
have in mind that this is the understanding of Maxwell's
theory. But Maxwell is good for the practical use of
electromagnetism, but it does not reflect the cause of
magnetism.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">If you have general doubts
about my description of magnetism I should say that all this
is not my idea but main stream physics, can be found in
textbooks e.g. about SR. However ignored by most practising
main stream physicists.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Albrecht</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 26.02.2018 um 00:25 schrieb
Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">Wolf:</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">I think, I am more
along the line of your thinking.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099"> </span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">Albrecht:
</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">Now I am realizing
that magnetism is a very important field (pun intended
</span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#000099">J</span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099"> that I do not
fully understand. Intuitively I disagree with the
explanation that “magnetic field” EMERGES only due to
RELATIVE VELOCITY between a charge and an <b><i>observer</i></b>.
Relative velocity may change the quantification by our
instrument of what already exist in nature. I submit, I do
not have good counter theory.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">On a different
angle, we human are mere interpreters of data, send to our
neural network, whether by our internal body-sensors or by
reading “dials” of external sensors (instruments).
<b><i>Interactants, inside our instruments that generate
the data, are the real “observers”</i></b>, if we must
use this word..<b><i> Humans are not the observers, just
interpreters.
</i></b>Therefore, the job of humans should be to
develop theories that directly tries to model the
<b><i>interaction processes</i></b> going on between the
interactants inside the instruments, or in nature. Our
interpretations can vary widely from person to person; but
the physical transformations experienced by the
interactants inside our instruments follow ontological
(existing) rules of operation in nature. That is why we
can get re-producible data for the same interaction
process. This is the bedrock of causal physics. We can
modify the strengths of interactions by introducing
changes in the interaction parameter in diverse ways,
including relative velocity.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099"> Unfortunately,
my expertise on magnetism is quite limited. However, as of
now, I am reluctant to accept that magnetism
<b><i>appears</i></b> only as SR implicates. In my
stationary CTF model, everything observable and their
properties do emerge due to dynamic movements. But they
are real, not “relative”. Can we really claim that
magnetism is like Doppler Effect? The measured frequency
shift is solely dependent on the relative velocity.
However, the frequency of the emitted radiation is the
real physical parameter of a physical entity, an EM wave
packet. That is why Doppler shift varies with the relative
velocity.<b><i> Does the strength of magnetic field
changes with the relative velocity of the detector
with respect to the magnetic body?</i></b> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">Another angle. A
propagating EM wave has oscillating E and B vectors. A
dipole oscillation induces oscillating E, which generates
its own restoring force B, thereby, generating the
perpetually oscillating and propagating wave packet in the
<b><i>stationary</i></b> CTF. In the biological world,
cellular magnetism plays wide ranges of important
functions. I will have read up on these phenomena.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">Let me pose a
question.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">Earth and many
other planets have magnetic fields due to motions in their
cores.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">Can an external
magnetic sensor be forced to read “null magnetic field” by
giving it the right velocity in the right direction?
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#000099">Chandra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
General [<a
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Albrecht Giese<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 23, 2018 3:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Foundational questions
Tension field stable particles</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Hi Wolf, and hi Chandra,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">comments and answers down in
the text:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 23.02.2018 um 05:28 schrieb Wolfgang
Baer:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Albrecht:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">"Whenever an observer is
in a magnetic field, he can find a motion state so that
the magnetic field disappears."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">I've heard this many times
but now that you said it, and I'm no longer a student so
I have time to wonder ,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">there is a coil of wire in
front of me I feel a magnetic field exactly how would I
move to make it disappear? And what other forces would I
experience to maintain that motion?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">This may
be explainable stepwise. In the first step use a coil of
wire with only one moving charge in it. Now have a test
charge at the side outside the coil. This test charge will
see the electrostatic force according to the Coulomb law,
but nothing more. If this test charge is not at rest but
moving then in the frame of the test charge nothing
changes, Coulomb still applies. But if an observer at rest
measures the electrostatic force between both in
<u>his </u>frame, he will see a different force acting on
the test charge. This can be also calculated using the
Lorentz transformation with respect to force. This
difference is called "magnetism". If now the observer
moves with the test charge he will only see the
electrostatic force like the test charge itself does, so
no magnetism. <br>
If there in not only one charge in the coil but a lot of
them, there will be a superposition of all applying
forces. Now an observer who wants to escape the magnetic
field will have to find a new frame which takes into
account this superposition.
<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">The electron velocity in a
wire is quite low and I can increase the current and
keep the velocity the same thus increase the magnetic
field so if I rotate around the center axis of the loop
I can make the charges stand still and there should be
no magnetic field - maybe but now we have to ask how do
I measure the magnetic field to reach this conclusion?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">A magnetic
field is generally measured in the way that the force on a
charge is measured and the result is compared to the
expected Coulomb force. If there is an excess of force, it
is magnetism.</span><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">well if I place another
wire loop the electrons in both wires move at the same
velocity and by the argument above they would not "see"
the electrons in the other ring moving but they would
certainly feel a magnetic field and the two loops would
attract each other</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">The
electrons in one loop will of course "see" the electrons
in the other one. If both wires are overcharged with
electrons then there will be the repelling Coulomb force.
But in the normal case in practise the wires are
electrically neutral. And a current means that negative
charges (here electrons) are moving into one direction and
positive charges (the corresponding positive "holes" of
charge) are moving into the other direction. Now, what
will a test electron notice which moves outside along the
wire? It will see the charges moving into the opposite
direction relativistically contracted, the co-moving ones
not (or precisely: extended). And so the test electron
will see a different density of charges (for the positive
and negative ones) and so a resulting field (which an
electron at rest will not see). The resulting force which
is only noticeable by a moving test charge is called
magnetism.
<br>
<br>
There is a video of Versitasium which shows this quite
illustrative:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TKSfAkWWN0</a><br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">What am I missing?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Was this
understandable?<br>
Albrecht<br>
<br>
<br>
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Wolf </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2/22/2018 11:26 AM, Albrecht Giese
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Chandra,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">I like very much what
you have written here. Particularly what you say about
"time" which physically means oscillations. That is
what one should keep in mind when thinking about
relativity.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">However in one point I
have to object. That is your judgement of the
parameter</span>
<span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">µ</span>.
<span style="font-size:13.5pt">
I think that it is a result from the historical fact
that magnetism was detected long time earlier than
electricity. So magnetism plays a great role in our
view of physics which does not reflect its role there.
We know since about 100 years that magnetism is not a
primary phenomenon but an apparent effect, a side
effect of the electric field which is caused by the
finiteness of c. If c would be infinite there would
not be any magnetism. This is given by the equation
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">c<sup>2</sup>
= (1/ϵµ)</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> which
you have mentioned. This equation should be better
written as
</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">µ
= (1/c<sup>2</sup>ϵ) </span><span
style="font-size:13.5pt"> to reflect this physical
fact, the dependency of the magnetism on c.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">The symmetry between
electricity and magnetism is suggested by Maxwell's
equation. These equations are mathematically very
elegant and well usable in practice. But they do not
reflect the physical reality. Easiest visible is the
fact that we have electrical monopoles but no magnetic
monopoles. Einstein has described this fact by saying:
Whenever an observer is in a magnetic field, he can
find a motion state so that the magnetic field
disappears. - This is as we know not possible for an
electric field.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">I think that we have
discussed this earlier. Do you remember?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt">Albrecht</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 21.02.2018 um 00:00 schrieb
Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>“We nee</i><i><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">d a geometry in which
both space and time are curved back on themselves
to provide a donut in which the forces Fem, Fgi,
Fcm,Fmc are self contained eigen states at each
action quanta.
</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Does
any of this suggest a tension field you might be
thinking about??”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">Yes, Wolf,
we need to model mathematically the “twists and
turns” of different intrinsic potential gradients
embedded in CTF (Complex Tension Field) to create
stationary self-looped oscillations (<b><i>field-particles</i></b>).
Maxwell achieved that for the propagating linear
excitations using his brilliant observations of
using the double differentiation – giving us the EM
wave equation. We need to find non-propagating
(stationary – Newton’s first law) self-looped
oscillations – the in-phase ones will be stable,
others will “break apart” with different life-times
depending upon how far they are from the in-phase
closed-loop conditions. The successes of the
mathematical oscillatory dynamic model could be
judged by the number of predicted properties the
theory can find for the <b><i>field-particles,</i></b>
which we have measured so far. The physical CTF must
remain stationary holding 100% of the cosmic energy.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext"> However,
I would not attempt to keep the primacy of
Relativity by trying to keep the Space-Time 4-D
concept intact. If we want to capture the
ontological reality; we must imagine and visualize
the potential <b><i>foundational</i></b> physical
process and represent that with a set of algebraic
symbols and call them the primary parameters of
“different grades”. During constructing mathematical
theories, it is of prime importance to introduce
consciously this concept of “primary”, vs.
“secondary”, vs. “tertiary”, etc., physical
parameters related to any observable physical
phenomenon. The physical parameter that dictates the
core existence of an entity in nature should be
considered as primary. However, it is not going to
be easy because of the complexities in the different
interaction processes – different parameters take
key role in transferring the energy in different
interactions. Besides, our ignorance is still
significantly broad compared to the “validated”
knowledge we have gathered about our universe. Here
is a glaring example. νλ = c = (1/ϵµ). If I am doing
atomic physics, ν is of primary importance because
of the quantum resonance with ν and the QM energy
exchange rule is “hν”. “λ” changes from medium to
medium. If I am doing Astrophysics, ϵ and µ for free
space, are of primary significance; even though
people tend to use “c”, while missing out the
fundamental roles of ϵ and µ as some of the core
building blocks of the universe. Funny thing is that
the ϵ and µ of free space were recognized well
before Maxwell synthesized Electromagnetism.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext"> With
this background, I want underscore that the “running
time, “t” is of critical importance in our
formulation of the dynamic universe. And, yet “t’ is
not a directly measurable physical parameter of any
object in this universe. What we measure is really
the frequency, or its inverse, the oscillation
periods of different physical oscillators in this
universe. So, frequency can be dilated or contracted
by controlling the ambient physical parameter of the
environment that surrounds and INFLUENCES the
oscillator. The running time cannot be dilated or
contracted; even though Minkowsky introduced this
“dilation” concept. This is the reason why I have
been pushing for the introduction in physics
thinking the Interaction Process Mapping
Epistemology (IPM-E). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">Chandra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
General [<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Wolfgang Baer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2018 10:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Foundational
questions Tension field stable particles</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Candra:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"> Let’s
consider your tension filed is a medium underlying the
experience of space composed of charge and mass
density spread out in the cross-section of a time
loop.. Coordinate frame cells of
<i>small enough</i> sizes can be described by constant
enough mass and charge densities in each cell. For
small enough cells the mass and charge values
concentrated at their centers may be used in stead of
the densities. The resulting field of center values
can take any pattern that satisfies the extended
dAlambert principle. Besides the classic
electro-magnetic Fem and gravito-inertial force Fgi I
postulate forces tat hold charge and mass together
Fcm, Fmc. This condition assures mass charge centers
in each cell appear at locations of balanced forces.
Each pattern which satisfies this condition represents
a static state of the loop in which the patterns are
fixed for the lifetime of the loop.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>The Charge-Mass Separation
Vector and Equilibrium States</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">The
physical size of the space is its volume. The volume
(Vol) of space is the sum of the infinitesimal volumes
dVol of each of the cells composing that space “Vol =
∫<sub>all space</sub> dVol”. These infinitesimal
volumes are calculated from the mass-charge density
extensions in each cell when viewed externally as
shown in figure 4.3-3a . The physical volume depends
upon the mass charge separation pattern of the
equilibrium state the system being modeled exists in.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> In CAT the extension of
a cell can be calculated as follows. In each cell the
distance between the center of charge and mass is a
vector d<b>ζ.</b> The projection of this vector onto
the degrees of freedom directions available for the
charge and mass to move in the generalized coordinate
space allows us to expansion this vector as,
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Eq. 4.3-1 <b>dζ
=</b> dζ<sub>t</sub><b>∙u<sub>t</sub></b> + dζ<sub>x</sub><b>∙u<sub>x</sub>
</b>+ dζ<sub>y</sub><b>∙u<sub>y</sub> </b>+ dζ<sub>z</sub><b>∙u<sub>z</sub>
+…</b> dζ<sub>f</sub><b>∙u<sub>f</sub> +…,</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b> </b>where the <b>u<sub>f</sub></b>’s
are the unit vectors. A space limited to Cartesian
3-space is characterized by three x,y,z directions,
but CAT models a generalized space that encompasses
all sensor modalities not only the optical ones. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> The volume of a cell
calculated from the diagonal expansion vector “<b>dζ”</b>
by multiplying all non zero coefficients,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Eq. 4.3-2 dVol
= dζ<sub>t</sub><b>∙</b>dζ<sub>x</sub><b>∙</b>dζ<sub>y</sub><b>∙</b>dζ<sub>z</sub><b>∙…∙</b>dζ<sub>f</sub><b>∙…
.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> The shape of this
volume is determined by the direction of the expansion
vector which in turn is determined by the direction
and strength of forces pulling the charge and mass
apart. The direction of pull depends upon the number
of dimensions available in the generalized coordinates
of the media. The forces must be in equilibrium but
exact equilibrium pattern depends upon which global
loop equilibrium state “Ζ” the event being modeled is
in.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> In the simplest
equilibrium state the masses and charges are
collocated. This implies the internal forward
propagating in time forces F<sub>cm</sub>,F<sub>mc</sub>,
and backward propagating in time force F<sub>mc</sub>*,F<sub>cm</sub>*
are zero, and if there are no internal force pulling
the charges and masses together then sum of the
remaining exterior gravito-electric forces pulling the
charge and mass apart must separately be zero
precisely at the collocation point. A trivial
condition that satisfies these equations is when all
forces are zero. In this case there is no action in
the media and no action for expanding the coordinate
frame defining a volume of space. We are back to a
formless blob of zero volume, where all charges and
masses are at the same point. This is the absolute
ground state of material, one level of something above
nothing. The big bang before the energy of action
flow is added.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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height="1" width="254"><!--[endif]-->To exemplify
the methods we consider an equilibrium state of a
single isolated cell whose only degree of freedom is
the time direction. This means the volume in all space
directions are infinitesimally small and the volume
can be considered a single line of extension “ΔVol =
ΔT<sub>w</sub> = ∫dζ<sub><span
style="font-size:14.0pt">t</span></sub><span
style="font-size:14.0pt"> “
</span>along the time direction as shown in the god’s
eye perspective of figure 4.3-6. In this situation we
can consider charges and masses to be point particles.
Forces as well as action can only propagate along the
material length of the line time line represented in
space as “Qw”. We now list the sequence of changes
that can propagate through around the equilibrium
positions indicated by numbers in parenthesis.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(1)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->The upper charge is
pushed from its equilibrium position (filled icon)
forward along the time line<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(2)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->It exerts a force “Fem”
on the left charge pushing it forward while feeling a
reaction force “Fem*” that retards it back to its
equilibrium position<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(3)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->While the left charge is
moved from equilibrium it exerts an internal “Fcm”
force on the bottom mass while feeling a reaction
force “Fcm*” which returns it to equilibrium.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(4)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->While the bottom mass is
moved from equilibrium it exerts a force “Fgi” on the
right mass while feeling a reaction force “Fgi*”
which returns it to equilibrium.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo2">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">(5)<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><!--[endif]-->While the right mass is
moved from equilibrium it exerts a force “Fmc” on the
upper charge while feeling a reaction force “Fmc*”
which returns it to equilibrium. We are now back to
(1).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">If the
system is isolated there is no dissipation into other
degrees of freedom and the oscillation continues to
move as a compression wave around the “Qw” time line
circumference forever. The graph however is static and
shows a fixed amount of action indicated by the shaded
arrows around the time line. Motion in “block” models
is produced by the velocity of the observer or model
operator as he moves around the time line. From our
god’s eye perspective an action density is permanently
painted on the clock dial and thereby describes an
total event. The last degree of freedom events are
rather trivial
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> We need a geometry in
which both space and time are curved back on
themselves to provide a donut in which the forces Fem,
Fgi, Fcm,Fmc are self contained eigen states at each
action quanta.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Does any of this suggest a tension
field you might be thinking about??<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/24/2018 7:20 PM,
Roychoudhuri, Chandra wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Yes, I have submitted an
essay. FQXi has not sent the approval link yet.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Replacement of our SPIE
conf. Without a supporting infrastructure to
replace SPIE-like support, it is very difficult to
manage. I will try NSF during the last week of
May. Do you want to start negotiating with some
out-of-box European groups? <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">3. Re-starting afresh from the
bottom up is the only way to start re-building a
unified field theory. It is futile to force-fit
whole bunch of different theories that were
structured differently at different states of
human cultural epoch.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jan 24, 2018, at 6:08 PM, Wolfgang Baer <<a
href="mailto:wolf@nascentinc.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@nascentinc.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Chandra:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Just rereading your 2015 paper "Urgency of
evolution..."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I love the sentiment " This is a good time to
start iteratively re-evaluating and
restructuring all the foundational postulates
behind all the working theories"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Did you write a paper for FQXi?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I sent one in <a
href="https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3043"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3043</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Is there any chance to get a replacement for the SPIE conference, one that would expand the questions </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">beyond the nature of light?</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Wolf</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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