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    <p>I like your direction John , but do not understand how your
      equation makes a doughnut</p>
    <p>wolf</p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/28/2018 6:54 PM, Hodge John wrote:<br>
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        <div><span>Chandra</span></div>
        <div>Thanks.</div>
        <div>I'm considering that charge is vortices in my plenum
          (field). The hods (gravitational mass) produce vortices as
          they move.</div>
        <div>I had noted Your CTF is similar to my \rho.</div>
        <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519871991284_6155">I'm
          relieved that I won't be stepping on your toes.</div>
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                  February 28, 2018 7:23 PM, Adam K
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                    <div dir="ltr">Chandra,
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                      <div>I agree with you about charge being emergent.
                        I can visualize it! But I cannot yet explain my
                        vision. Hopefully this situation will not drag
                        on for another 1.5 years as it has done.</div>
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                      <div>Adam </div>
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                      <div class="yiv9015659945gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb
                        28, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Roychoudhuri, Chandra <span
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                                <div class="yiv9015659945MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Very interesting thoughts, John!</span></div>
                                <div class="yiv9015659945MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Keep it up and move forward.</span></div>
                                <div class="yiv9015659945MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Remember, I postulate that all
                                    the forces are different kinds of
                                    potential gradients  (“curvatures”)
                                    around the self-looped
                                    <b><i>field-particles</i></b> in the
                                    CTF. Of course, I have borrowed the
                                    concept from Einstein’s “gravity is
                                    a curvature of space” and have
                                    generalized it to get rid of
                                    “exchange particles for different
                                    forces”.</span></div>
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style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div>
                                <div class="yiv9015659945MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Mathematically structuring the
                                    self-looped, in-phase doughnuts
                                    (Torus?) will be a critical step
                                    forward.</span></div>
                                <div class="yiv9015659945MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1f497d;">I also intuitively believe that
                                    charge is an emergent property out
                                    of the dynamics of the
                                    field-particles. But, I have not
                                    been able to visualize the exact
                                    structure that gives + and –
                                    discrete charges. </span></div>
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style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1f497d;"> </span></div>
                                <div class="yiv9015659945MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:16.0pt;color:#1f497d;">Chandra.</span></div>
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                                          style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span
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                                        General [mailto:<a
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                                          chandra.roychoudhuri</a>=<a
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                                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hodge John<br
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                                        <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February
                                        28, 2018 3:30 PM<br clear="none">
                                        <b>To:</b> Nature of Light and
                                        Particles - General Discussion
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                                        <b>Subject:</b> [General] Space
                                        as a CTF</span></div>
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                                            style="font-size:10.0pt;">Chandra</span></div>
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                                          style="background:white;"><span
                                            style="font-size:10.0pt;">I
                                            found myself revisiting your
                                            "Space as a complex Tension
                                            Field" paper.</span></div>
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                                          style="background:white;"><span
                                            style="font-size:10.0pt;">Perhaps
                                            the vortices are charge.
                                            Different vortices make +
                                            and - charge and the number
                                            of charges the intensity of
                                            the electric field. The CTF
                                            then is inertia and measured
                                            as inertia (not
                                            gravitational) mass. The
                                            thing that forms the
                                            vortices is the
                                            gravitational mass objects -
                                            also real. That is, the CTF
                                            model already has an
                                            approach to electrodynamics.</span></div>
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                                          style="background:white;"><span
                                            style="font-size:10.0pt;">Then
                                            in your paper, E_n = a_n
                                            exp[ i 2 pi N (t+ nR)] where
                                            N is the number of
                                            generating gravitational
                                            objects.</span></div>
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                                          style="background:white;"><span
                                            style="font-size:10.0pt;">Here
                                            the new thing is a
                                            gravitational object rather
                                            than a charge object which
                                            the CTF needs if the
                                            vortices are gravitational
                                            objects.</span></div>
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                                            style="font-size:10.0pt;">Hodge</span></div>
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