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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hodge: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Your “smoke ring vortex” has the dynamics needed for an oscillatory particle to become manifest. A doughnut does not have motions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">In a smoke ring, the smoke particles are moving. For
<b><i>field-particles</i></b> in CTF, the emergent E and B field GRADIENTS are oscillating in time and space. However, the CTF itself is not moving, either in time or in space, at least not in the CTF model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">“Doughnut” is an incorrect static shape. This is not a good word to use. I was trying to make sure that people do not imagine vortex on the water surface. That is very different from “smoke
ring vortex”. The “smoke ring vortex” has been proposed since pretty old times. We should keep considering the idea.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">By the way, you would not “step on my toes” by using some of my concepts, as long as you give public credit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">This forum follows the basic principle that we all are
<b><i>“blind people trying to model the complex cosmic elephant”.</i></b> Newton, Einstein, Schrodinger, et al, did not succeed in solving all the problems of physics. Neither we are going to do that individually. No single human will ever do that. We need
collaborations. Only continued iterative collective effort can allow us to keep on refining and advancing the model for the “cosmic elephant”. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sharing ideas enhances overall ideas and our understanding. However, we must also acknowledge where from we are borrowing some ideas to enhance it further.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> General [mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hodge John<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 01, 2018 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Space as a CTF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">are you addressing (John) Hodge. The equation I mentioned in my interpretation yields the sinc() function which gives the diffraction
pattern in the diffraction experiment - kinda like Chandra's interpretation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Why does it have to yield a doughnut? A doughnut in what?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I was exploring the possibility that one of the charges (+?) could be formed in the plenum like a smoke ring vortex is formed. There
are other forms of vortexes. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I like your direction John , but do not understand how your equation makes a doughnut<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Research Director<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background:white"><span style="color:black">E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" target="_blank">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On 2/28/2018 6:54 PM, Hodge John wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I had noted Your CTF is similar to my \rho.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I'm relieved that I won't be stepping on your toes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 7:23 PM, Adam K
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">I agree with you about charge being emergent. I can visualize it! But I cannot yet explain my vision. Hopefully this situation will not drag on for another
1.5 years as it has done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Roychoudhuri, Chandra <<a href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu" target="_blank">chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Very interesting thoughts, John!</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Remember, I postulate that all the forces are different kinds of potential gradients (“curvatures”) around the self-looped
<b><i>field-particles</i></b> in the CTF. Of course, I have borrowed the concept from Einstein’s “gravity is a curvature of space” and have generalized it to get rid of “exchange particles for different forces”.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Mathematically structuring the self-looped, in-phase doughnuts (Torus?) will be a critical step forward.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Chandra.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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chandra.roychoudhuri</a>=<a href="mailto:uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">uconn. edu@lists. natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hodge John<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">general@lists. natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [General] Space as a CTF</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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The CTF then is inertia and measured as inertia (not gravitational) mass. The thing that forms the vortices is the gravitational mass objects - also real. That is, the CTF model already has an approach to electrodynamics.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Here the new thing is a gravitational object rather than a charge object which the CTF needs if the vortices are gravitational objects.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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