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    <p>I see no conflict between our understanding of magnetism and
      coriolis forces and both are interpretation that can be created or
      not by the way we look at phenomena.</p>
    <p>WE start to disagree what I because we agree want to look at the
      physics of the observer as an integral and necessary part of how
      phenomena are perceived. And this is where we should be focusing
      our discussion. What assumptions are valid and what physics would
      we develop if we change our assumptions?<br>
    </p>
    <p>more comments added</p>
    <p>Wolf<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/1/2018 6:52 AM, Albrecht Giese
      wrote:<br>
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      <p>Wolf:</p>
      <p>my answers again in your text.<br>
      </p>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Am 01.03.2018 um 04:59
        schrieb Wolfgang Baer:</font><br>
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        <p>Albrecht:</p>
        <p>The Coriolis force as a surrogate for the Magnetic force is a
          good example that shows we are talking about ttwo different
          things. I was taught exactly what you repeated below in Mr.
          Bray's physics class and did not believe it then because when
          I take a ride on a Merry-go-Round I feel a force that is real.
          Period.</p>
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      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">That is indeed correct.
        It is a real force. If we have a hurricane on earth it is a
        result of the Coriolis force and that is a real force. The point
        is, however, that it is not a NEW force but the well known
        Newtonian inertial force; just interpreted in a different way.<br>
        <br>
        The same with magnetism. Also magnetism shows a real force. And
        that force is the electric force, but also in this case
        interpreted in a different way.<br>
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    <b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">OK</font></b><br>
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        <p>I do not care what you call it You can look at me from many
          different angles and in many different ways but the force I
          feel is real, <br>
        </p>
      </blockquote>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Yes, it is real, but
        interpreted in a different way.</font><br>
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    <b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">OK</font></b><br>
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        <p> </p>
        <p>What I am arguing and what I want you to be aware of is that
          in the sentence "The Coriolis force is a non-existent force."
          it is the name of the force that may be the wrong name for
          the  force I experience, but the force is real.</p>
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      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">You are right, better
        wording would be "it does not exist as a NEW force".</font><br>
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        <p>All the examples I've give and let me add the Lorenz Force  
          F= E*q + B xV , where V my velocity.You think I am arguing
          but  I am not arguing that by  moving at some velocity you can
          make B disappear in your equation and by moving at another
          velocity you can make V equal to zero in your equation. I am
          arguing that you cannot make the phenomena disappear. No
          matter how many theories you invent and how many different
          names you invent. The phenomena, the force  I feel does not
          depend on your theory. I and the situation I am in is an
          independent reality. All you can do with Lorenz
          transformations is shift the name of the force from magnatic
          to and additional Coulonb component. Exactly the same way
          moving from astationary observer at the center of the
          Merry-go-Round shifts the name ov the force from acceleration
          to Coreolis. Its the same force!<br>
        </p>
      </blockquote>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">True, there is a force.
        But only interpreted as something new or additional, which is
        not the case.</font><br>
      <br>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">"To make magnetism
        disappear" does not mean that every force disappears. It means
        that you can explain all what you observe as Coulomb force.<br>
        <br>
        And one should be cautious in the practical case. In daily
        physical practise we measure magnetism by use of a magnetic
        dipole. But that is not the correct way. Correct is to use an
        electric charge, measure the force and compare it to the Coulomb
        force as visible from the actual state of motion.<br>
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    <b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">OK</font></b><br>
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      cite="mid:4f1a5d39-faa6-7053-cc36-1090bfcc6347@a-giese.de"><font
        face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> <br>
        I recommend again at the "Veritasium" video. It shows the
        situation in a good and correct way.<br>
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        <p> </p>
        <p>Unless (and here is where I am trying to get us to go) one
          begins to believe and evoke the principles of quantum theory
          or its marcro-scopic extension which I am trying to develop.</p>
      </blockquote>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">All this has nothing to
        do with quantum theory. It is one of the sources of QM that
        physicists misinterpret classical physical processes, lack an
        explanation and then divert to QM seeking for an explanation,
        which is in those cases not needed. But misleading.</font><br>
    </blockquote>
    <b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">So we agree until we
        get to this point</font></b><br>
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        <p>In those extensions the Newtonian, and Maxwellian  phenomena
          are true in the coordinate frame of the observer BECAUSE the
          coordinate frame supplies the space , now called Hilbert space
          in which those phenomena are displayed to the observer. The
          observer IS the coordinate frame and his observable phenomena
          occur within the space defined by that coordinate frame.
          Everything you see is seen in a space you create within the
          material from which you are built. <br>
        </p>
      </blockquote>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I personally do not see
        the space as being created by anything. I keep my naive view
        that space is nothing than emptiness and has no extra
        properties, Euclidean geometry applies and is sufficient.</font><br>
      <br>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Should I ever encounter
        an argument that this is not sufficient, I am prepared to change
        my mind. But up to now it was not necessary.</font><br>
    </blockquote>
    <b>Does the fact that you simply are not recognizing that it is your
      first person perspective in which "empty" space appears that is
      your fundamental experience and any assumption that such
      experience is due to a real space is Theory. Do you not ask how is
      it that I am able to create the sensations I have. Are you and
      your experiences not part of the reality and therefore must be
      explained as part of your if you are to have a comprehensive
      theory. AND there is no explanation in classic or relativistic
      physics for the consciousness of the observer. One must begin to
      think in Quantum terms</b><br>
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        <p> </p>
        <p>All the physics before Einstein was developed with the
          assumption that there is an independent objective 3D reality
          space ( and it should be a stationary ether) in which all
          these objects appear. Einstein almost got it right. There is
          no independent ether and it all depends upon the coordinate
          frame. He did not take the next step. We observers are the
          coordinate frame   each of us supplies the ether. <br>
        </p>
      </blockquote>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Here my position is
        completely opposite. We do have an independent ether as Lorentz
        has assumed it. And it is an ether in the sense that the speed
        of light is related to a fixed frame, and this does not cause
        any logical conflicts in my understanding.</font><br>
    </blockquote>
    <b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">OK so you make the
        assumption that we do have an independent ether. That is the old
        "naive reality" assumption and classic mechanics and EM theory
        is built on this assumption. But quantum theory is no longer
        built on this assumption. <br>
        <br>
        So is the ether related to the fixed frame ? What ether is
        attached to my fixed frame? Are they different ethers? Or is
        there one ether, and we are all material objects moving in that
        ether who just happen to be able to interpret some
        configurations of material as space with objects moving in them.
        why should our mental display of our experience be anything but
        one possible way of building a mental display along a very very
        long path of evolution. Do you really believe you are the
        pinnacle or end of that process?<br>
      </font></b>
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        cite="mid:479b0594-4122-b085-7ac3-4d03ca9512c0@nascentinc.com">
        <p> </p>
        <p>Please read may Vigier X Paper again but ignore the first
          part where I'm trying to show why SR is wrong - you argued a
          lot with that. The real reason SR is wrong is because Einstein
          developed it without recognizing that his imagination supplied
          the background ether and his rail car and .embankment observer
          where "RIDING ALONG" with their coordinate frames observing
          Einsteins imaginary space. They were not IN their own space.</p>
      </blockquote>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Can you please copy
        this essential part of your paper here? I do not have it at hand
        in this moment.</font><br>
    </blockquote>
    <b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">SEE ATTACHED</font></b><br>
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      <blockquote type="cite"
        cite="mid:479b0594-4122-b085-7ac3-4d03ca9512c0@nascentinc.com">
        <p>This is where we should return to our SR discussion and
          properly add the observer to physics</p>
      </blockquote>
      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Special relativity
        gives us in my view not any reason to turn to an observer
        dependent physics. For Einstein's view it is correct, but for
        the Lorentzian it is not necessary.<br>
        <br>
        Ludwik Kostro, who participated in Vigier X, has written a book
        about "Einstein and the ether". And he has - among other sources
        - reprinted a letter exchange between Einstein and Lorentz about
        the necessity of an ether. Lorentz described a (Gedanken)
        experiment which in his view is not explainable without ether.
        Einstein refused to except an ether, but he did not present any
        arguments how this experiment can be understood without it.<br>
        <br>
        I still think that Einstein's relativity has mislead the
        physical world in a tremendous way. There are in fact
        relativistic phenomena, but Einstein's way to treat them was
        really bad.<br>
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    <b><font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I agree and this
        agreement is what gave us a common goal of finding a better
        explanation.</font></b><br>
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        CHANDRA- there may be an abstract independent CTF but my
        suggestion is that it may be the ether each of us is made of and
        therefor may be thought to be stationary.<br>
        <p> </p>
        <p>best wishes</p>
        <p>wolf</p>
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      <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Best wishes <br>
        Albrecht</font><br>
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        <p><br>
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        <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/27/2018 10:28 AM, Albrecht
          Giese wrote:<br>
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          <p>Wolf:</p>
          <p>I think that there is a simple answer to your concern
            regarding magnetism. If you accept that magnetism is not a
            real physical entity but a seeming effect then there should
            not exist the logical conflicts which you see.</p>
          <p>I think that the Coriolis force is a good example to
            understand the situation: Assume that you are sitting in a
            cabin without a view to the outside. Now assume that this
            cabin is rotating very silently so that you do not notice
            the rotation. You are sitting in a chair in the middle on
            the rotational axis. Now you throw a ball from your position
            away from you. You will expect that the ball flies on a
            straight path off. But you will observe that the ball flies
            on a curved path. And what will be your explanation? You
            will think that there must be a force which moves the ball
            to the side. - This is the Coriolis force.</p>
          <p>But this force does not in fact exist. If there is an
            observer on top of the cabin and can look into the cabin, in
            his view the ball moves on a straight line. And there is no
            reason for a force. <br>
          </p>
          <p>The Coriolis force is a non-existent force. Similarly the
            magnetic field is a non-existent field.<br>
          </p>
          <br>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font face="Times New Roman,
              Times, serif">Am 27.02.2018 um 04:46 schrieb Wolfgang
              Baer:</font><br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Albrecht:</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">I have a tremendous aversion to
              believing that the observer (unless we are talking quantum
              effects where measurement interferes with the object
              measured ) can have any effect on the independent
              “whatever it is” out there. But physicists often confuse
              measurement results with physical realities. <br>
            </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Regarding “<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">The relative
                velocity between charges does NOT determine the magnetic
                field.”</b></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Jaxon Classical Electrodynamics p 136
              states the force between two current segments is oin
              differential form</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1">           
              </span>d<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">F12</b><span
                style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>= - I1*I2 (<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">dl1</b> ● <b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">dl2</b>)*<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">X12</b> /(c<sup>2</sup>
              * |<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">X12</b>|<sup>3</sup></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">now the current is charge q1*<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">v1 = </b>I1*<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">dl1 </b>and q2*<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">v2 = </b>I1*<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">dl1 </b>substituting
              means the magnetic force between the two charges is
              dependent on the dot product between the two velocities (<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">v1</b> ● <b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">v2</b>). </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Furthermore Goldstien Classical
              Mechanics talks about velocity dependent potentials p19</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">And we all know the magnetic force is F
              =~ v1 x B12 while the magnetic field is dependent on v! ,
              so the force is dependent on two velocities.</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Now your statement ‘<b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">But the magnetic
                field depends on the relative velocity between the
                observer and the one charge and the observer and the
                other charge. Where "observer" means the measuring
                tool.” </b>Is certainly true because one can always
              define one coordinate frame that moves with velocity of
              the first charge and a second coordinate frame that moves
              with the velocity of the second charge. So in these two
              coordinate frames each one would say there is no B field.</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">However I see both charges in <b
                style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">one coordinate
                frame</b> and that is how the experiments leading to the
              force equations were conducted. So I question whether your
              assumption that there are two coordinate frames and I
              assume you would like to connected by the Lorenz
              transforms reflects physical reality. </p>
          </blockquote>
          <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I have asked you in
            the previous mail NOT to argue with coordinate frames
            because we should discuss physics and not mathematics. Now
            you cite me with statements about coordinate frames. How can
            I understand that?<br>
            <br>
            However if you really insist to talk about frames: The
            saying that two charges are in different coordinate frames
            means that these charges are <u>at rest</u> in different
            coordinate frames. They can of course be investigated by an
            observer (or a tool) which resides in <u>one </u>frame.<br>
            <br>
            The equation from Jackson which you have cited above is
            essentially the same as the one that I gave you in the
            previous mail. And it says also that the magnetic field
            depends on the <u>product </u>of both charges involved,
            not on their difference.<br>
          </font>
          <blockquote type="cite"
            cite="mid:05978305-1a73-2dd2-8d86-5749260bfb5c@nascentinc.com">
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">I reiterate the concept of fields even
              the coulomb field<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">   </span>is
              passed upon the measured force between a test charge <span
                style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Qt and another charge
              Qn. So that the total force on the test charge is</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-tab-count:3">                                   
              </span>F =~<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>SUM
              over all n (<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Qt *
              Qn / Rtn<sup>2</sup>)</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">And it is possible to introduce a field
            </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-tab-count:3">                                   
              </span>E = SUM over all n (<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> 
              </span>Qn / Rtn<sup>2</sup>)</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">As that <span style="mso-spacerun:yes">                       </span>F=
              Qt * E</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Perfectly good mathematically. But to
              assume that physically E is a property of space rather
              than simply the sum of charge to charge interactions that
              would happen if a test charge were at that space is a
              counter factual. And not consistent with the quantum
              photon theory.</p>
          </blockquote>
          <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Why do you assume
            that a field is a property of space? If you assume that
            space is nothing else than emptiness then you will have all
            necessary results. Why making things unnecessarily
            complicated?</font><br>
          <blockquote type="cite"
            cite="mid:05978305-1a73-2dd2-8d86-5749260bfb5c@nascentinc.com">
            <p class="MsoNormal">Which by the way I think is also wrong.
              Photons are false interpretations of charge to charge
              interactions. <br>
            </p>
          </blockquote>
          <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">I do not remember
            that we talk here about quantum theory. For this discussion
            at least it is not needed. And regarding photons, I have
            explained very detailed that photons - as I have measured
            them in my thesis work - are particles with specific
            properties; but clearly particles. You did not object to my
            arguments but you repeat your statement that a photon as a
            particle is a false interpretation. It would be good to hear
            argument than only statements.</font><br>
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            cite="mid:05978305-1a73-2dd2-8d86-5749260bfb5c@nascentinc.com">
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
            </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">that is for another discussion</p>
          </blockquote>
          <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Which else
            discussion? </font><br>
          <blockquote type="cite"
            cite="mid:05978305-1a73-2dd2-8d86-5749260bfb5c@nascentinc.com">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
            </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">best wishes</p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
            </p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">wolf<br>
            </p>
          </blockquote>
          <font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Best wishes<br>
            Albrecht</font><br>
          <blockquote type="cite"
            cite="mid:05978305-1a73-2dd2-8d86-5749260bfb5c@nascentinc.com">
            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
            <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/26/2018 3:27 AM, Albrecht
              Giese wrote:<br>
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              <p>Wolf,</p>
              <p>my comments and explanations in the text below.<br>
              </p>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><font size="-1">Am 25.02.2018
                  um 05:26 schrieb Wolfgang Baer:</font><br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Albrecht:</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I think I understand your arguments
                  since this is what is generally taught, however I have
                  always been uncomfortable with the statements
                  involving “observer”.</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">So I question your statement “<span
                    style="font-size:13.5pt">The different amount seen
                    by the observer can be calculated by the use of the
                    force-related Lorentz transformation - from the
                    frame of the electrons to the frame of the
                    observer.”</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Now ancient experiments discovered
                  that there are two reciprocal forces between charges.
                  The relative distance R gives the Coulomb force F<sub>E</sub>
                  and the relative velocity gives the Magnetic force F<sub>B
                  </sub></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ignore:vglayout;
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                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Now if these are independent
                  entities whose existence does not depend upon any
                  observation made by the observer (until we get to
                  quantum measurements) . <i
                    style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">This means the
                    physics is fixed </i>and so are the parameters. Any
                  measurement made by any coordinate frame when properly
                  processed for its own distortions will result in the
                  same parameters, so R,V, F<sub>B</sub>, F<sub>E</sub><sup>
                  </sup>and yes the speed of light must be constant. </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-tab-count:1">           
                  </span>If the measurement results differ either we do
                  not have objective measurement independent reality or
                  else there is an unaccounted artifact in the
                  measurement process.</p>
              </blockquote>
              <font size="-1">There is an error in your above arguments.
                The relative velocity between charges does NOT determine
                the magnetic field. But the magnetic field depends on
                the relative velocity between the observer and the one
                charge and the observer and the other charge. Where
                "observer" means the measuring tool.<br>
                <br>
                The entities are not independent in so far as any
                observer will see them in a different way. That is not a
                consequence of quantum mechanics but very simply the
                consequence of the fact that in a moving system the
                tools change (like rulers contract and clocks are slowed
                down) and so their measurement results differ from a
                tool measuring while being at rest. This is the reason
                that we need a Lorentz transformation to compare
                physical entities in one moving frame to entities in
                another moving frame.<br>
              </font>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:52dd11be-779d-5b60-586c-75d49b237ba3@nascentinc.com">
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I and QM claims there is no
                  objective measurement independent reality. </p>
              </blockquote>
              <font size="-1">That may be the case but has nothing to do
                with our discussion here. </font><br>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:52dd11be-779d-5b60-586c-75d49b237ba3@nascentinc.com">
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Lorenz assumed the coordinate frame
                  dilates and shrinks so that when raw measurements are
                  made and no correction is applied we may not<span
                    style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>observe a
                  magnetic field but instead a different Coulomb field
                  so that the actual result on the object measured
                  remains the same only the names of the causes have
                  been changed. </p>
              </blockquote>
              <font size="-1">You are permanently referring to
                coordinate frames. But we are treating here physical
                facts and not mathematical ones. So coordinates should
                be omitted as an argument as I have proposed it earlier.
              </font><br>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:52dd11be-779d-5b60-586c-75d49b237ba3@nascentinc.com">
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Now consider looking at the same
                  two charges from an arbitrary coordinate frame. then
                  in that frame the two charges will have wo velocities
                  V1 and V2 but there will always be a difference V </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-ignore:vglayout">
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><sup> </sup></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><sup> </sup></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><sup> </sup></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><sup> </sup></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><sup> </sup></p>
                <br style="mso-ignore:vglayout" clear="ALL">
                <p class="MsoNormal">I contend that it does not matter
                  what frame you chose cannot get rid of the relative
                  velocity. The only way you can get rid of the magnetic
                  field is if there was no relative velocity in the
                  first palace. And there never was a magnetic field in
                  the physics. </p>
              </blockquote>
              <font size="-1">As soon as the observer moves in the same
                frame, i.e. with the same speed vector as one of the
                charges, he does not see a magnetic field. In the
                deduction of the magnetic field which I have attached
                (from a talk at a conference last year) the magnetic
                force is defined by the equation:</font><br>
              <img src="cid:part5.CD06DC88.A34F180E@nascentinc.com"
                alt="" class=""><br>
              <font size="-1">where v and u are the speeds of two
                charges, q1 and q2, , with respect to the observer. y is
                the distance and gamma the Lorentz factor in the set up
                shown.</font><br>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:52dd11be-779d-5b60-586c-75d49b237ba3@nascentinc.com">
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Therefore your further conclusion “<span
                    style="font-size: 13.5pt">As soon as an observer
                    moves with one charge, i.e. he is at rest with
                    respect to the frame of one of the charges, then
                    there is no magnetic field for him.” </span>Is only
                  true if there was no magnetic field in the first
                  place, a very special case.</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">We must be very careful not to
                  confuse the actual physics in a situation with the way
                  we look at it. </p>
              </blockquote>
              <font size="-1">I guess that you know the Coriolis force.
                This force is somewhat similar to magnetism. It is in
                effect for one observer but not for another one
                depending on the observer's motion. And there is nothing
                mysterious about it, and also quantum mechanics is not
                needed for an explanation.<br>
                <br>
                In your logic you would have to say: If there is no
                Coriolis force then there is no inertial mass. But that
                is clearly not the case.</font><br>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:52dd11be-779d-5b60-586c-75d49b237ba3@nascentinc.com">
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">If we apply the same analysis to
                  the Michelson Morley experiment I think we will also
                  find that there never was a fringe shift in the
                  physics. The physics states charges interact with
                  other charges, basta. Introducing fields and then
                  attributing what has always been a summation of many
                  charge effects on one test charge onto a property of
                  empty space is simply a convenient mathematical trick
                  that hides the physical reality.</p>
              </blockquote>
              <font size="-1">The MM experiment is easily explained by
                the fact that there is contraction in the direction of
                motion. Nothing more is needed to explain the
                null-result. In the view of Einstein space contracts and
                in the view of Lorentz the apparatus contracts as the
                internal fields contract. And the latter is a known
                phenomenon in physics.<br>
              </font>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:52dd11be-779d-5b60-586c-75d49b237ba3@nascentinc.com"><font
                  size="-1"> </font>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">I further submit this as an
                  argument that mass and charge are fundamental physics
                  and if there is to be a CTF it is the tension that
                  holds mass and charge together when electro-magentic
                  forces operating on charge densities and
                  gravito-inertial forces operating on mass densities
                  are not balanced and pulls mass and charge apart. I
                  further submit the the resulting fluctuations in the
                  mass-charge densities leads to CTF propagating
                  patterns that are an ontologically defensible
                  interpretation of Schroedingers Wave function.<br>
                </p>
              </blockquote>
              <font size="-1">An indication that mass is not fundamental
                is the fact that mass can be converted into energy. On
                the other hand charge cannot be converted into energy;
                this can be taken as an argument that it is fundamental.<br>
              </font>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:52dd11be-779d-5b60-586c-75d49b237ba3@nascentinc.com">
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><font size="-1"> </font></p>
              </blockquote>
              <font size="-1">Anything still controversial? Then please
                explain.<br>
                Albrecht</font><br>
              <blockquote type="cite"
                cite="mid:52dd11be-779d-5b60-586c-75d49b237ba3@nascentinc.com">
                <p class="MsoNormal">Tell me why I’m wrong</p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Wolf </p>
                <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
E-mail <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a></pre>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/23/2018 6:51 AM,
                  Albrecht Giese wrote:<br>
                </div>
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                  <p><font size="+1">Chandra:</font></p>
                  <p><font size="+1">If two electrons move side by side,
                      the main force between them is of course the
                      electrostatic one. But there is an additional
                      contribution to the force which is measured in the
                      frame of an observer at rest (like the one of
                      Millikan). In the frame of the moving electrons
                      (maybe they belong to the same frame) there is
                      only the electrostatic force, true. The different
                      amount seen by the observer can be calculated by
                      the use of the force-related Lorentz
                      transformation - from the frame of the electrons
                      to the frame of the observer.<br>
                    </font></p>
                  <p><font size="+1">If the oil-drop chamber is in
                      steady motion this has primarily no influence.
                      Important is the motion state of the observer. If
                      the observer is at rest with respect to the moving
                      oil-drops (and so of the electrons), he will
                      notice a contribution of magnetism. Any motion of
                      the chamber does not matter for this fact.<br>
                    </font></p>
                  <p><font size="+1">In general magnetism is visible for
                      an observer who is in motion with respect to both
                      charges under consideration. As soon as an
                      observer moves with one charge, i.e. he is at rest
                      with respect to the frame of one of the charges,
                      then there is no magnetic field for him. <br>
                    </font></p>
                  <p><font size="+1">Your example of two compass needles
                      is a more complex one even if it does not look so.
                      To treat this case correctly we have to take into
                      account the cause of the magnetism of the needle,
                      that means of the circling charges in the atoms
                      (in Fe). If we would do this then - seen from our
                      own frame - both groups of charges are moving, the
                      charges in the conductor and also the charges in
                      the needle's atoms. So as both are moving with
                      respect to the observer, this is the cause for a
                      magnetic field between both objects. <br>
                    </font></p>
                  <p><font size="+1">Albrecht<br>
                    </font><br>
                  </p>
                  <br>
                  <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.02.2018 um 21:02
                    schrieb Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<br>
                  </div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92">Albrecht:
                          Your point is well taken. Not being expert in
                          magnetism, I need to spend more time on this
                          issue. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92">However,
                          let me pose a question to think.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92">If two
                          electrons are trapped in two side by side but
                          separate Millikan oil drops, the two electrons
                          feel each other’s static E-field, but no
                          magnetic field. If the oil-drop chamber was
                          given a steady velocity, could Millikan have
                          measured the presence of a magnetic field due
                          to the moving electrons (“current”), which
                          would have been dying out as the chamber moved
                          further away? This experiment can be conceived
                          in many different ways and can be executed.
                          Hence, this is not a pure “Gedanken”
                          experiment. I am sure, some equivalent
                          experiment has been done by somebody. Send me
                          the reference, if you can find one. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92">Are two
                          parallel current carrying conductors
                          deflecting magnetic needles (undergraduate
                          experiment) different from two independent
                          electrons moving parallel to each other?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92">I have
                          just re-phrased Einstein’s example that you
                          have given below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#0A2A92">Chandra.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                              General [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
                                Behalf Of </b>Albrecht Giese<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 22, 2018
                              2:26 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> <a
                                class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                                href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Foundational
                              questions Tension field stable particles<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Chandra,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">I like very much
                          what you have written here. Particularly what
                          you say about "time" which physically means
                          oscillations. That is what one should keep in
                          mind when thinking about relativity.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">However in one
                          point I have to object. That is your judgement
                          of the parameter</span> <span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">µ</span>.
                        <span style="font-size:13.5pt"> I think that it
                          is a result from the historical fact that
                          magnetism was detected long time earlier than
                          electricity. So magnetism plays a great role
                          in our view of physics which does not reflect
                          its role there. We know since about 100 years
                          that magnetism is not a primary phenomenon but
                          an apparent effect, a side effect of the
                          electric field which is caused by the
                          finiteness of c. If c would be infinite there
                          would not be any magnetism. This is given by
                          the equation </span><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">c<sup>2</sup>
                          = (1/ϵµ)</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt">
                          which you have mentioned. This equation should
                          be better written as </span><span
                          style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">µ =
                          (1/c<sup>2</sup>ϵ) </span><span
                          style="font-size:13.5pt"> to reflect this
                          physical fact, the dependency of the magnetism
                          on c. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">The symmetry
                          between electricity and magnetism is suggested
                          by Maxwell's equation. These equations are
                          mathematically very elegant and well usable in
                          practice. But they do not reflect the physical
                          reality. Easiest visible is the fact that we
                          have electrical monopoles but no magnetic
                          monopoles. Einstein has described this fact by
                          saying: Whenever an observer is in a magnetic
                          field, he can find a motion state so that the
                          magnetic field disappears. - This is as we
                          know not possible for an electric field.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">I think that we
                          have discussed this earlier. Do you remember?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                          style="font-size:13.5pt">Albrecht</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Am 21.02.2018 um 00:00
                          schrieb Roychoudhuri, Chandra:<o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote
                        style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><i>“We nee</i><i><span
                              style="font-size:14.0pt">d a geometry in
                              which both space and time are curved back
                              on themselves to provide a donut in which
                              the forces Fem, Fgi, Fcm,Fmc are self
                              contained eigen states at each action
                              quanta. </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                              style="font-size:14.0pt">Does any of this
                              suggest a tension field you might be
                              thinking about??”</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">Yes,
                            Wolf, we need to model mathematically the
                            “twists and turns” of different intrinsic
                            potential gradients embedded in CTF (Complex
                            Tension Field) to create stationary
                            self-looped oscillations (<b><i>field-particles</i></b>).
                            Maxwell achieved that for the propagating
                            linear excitations using his brilliant
                            observations of using the double
                            differentiation – giving us the EM wave
                            equation. We need to find non-propagating
                            (stationary – Newton’s first law)
                            self-looped oscillations – the in-phase ones
                            will be stable, others will “break apart”
                            with different life-times depending upon how
                            far they are from the in-phase closed-loop
                            conditions. The successes of the
                            mathematical oscillatory dynamic model could
                            be judged by the number of predicted
                            properties the theory can find for the <b><i>field-particles,</i></b>
                            which we have measured so far. The physical
                            CTF must remain stationary holding 100% of
                            the cosmic energy.  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">    However,
                            I would not attempt to keep the primacy of
                            Relativity by trying to keep the Space-Time
                            4-D concept intact. If we want to capture
                            the ontological reality; we must imagine and
                            visualize the potential <b><i>foundational</i></b>
                            physical process and represent that with a
                            set of algebraic symbols and call them the
                            primary parameters of “different grades”.
                            During constructing mathematical theories,
                            it is of prime importance to introduce
                            consciously this concept of “primary”, vs.
                            “secondary”, vs. “tertiary”, etc., physical
                            parameters related to any observable
                            physical phenomenon. The physical parameter
                            that dictates the core existence of an
                            entity in nature should be considered as
                            primary. However, it is not going to be easy
                            because of the complexities in the different
                            interaction processes – different parameters
                            take key role in transferring the energy in
                            different interactions. Besides, our
                            ignorance is still significantly broad
                            compared to the “validated” knowledge we
                            have gathered about our universe. Here is a
                            glaring example. νλ = c = (1/ϵµ). If I am
                            doing atomic physics, ν is of primary
                            importance because of the quantum resonance
                            with ν and the QM energy exchange rule is
                            “hν”.   “λ” changes from medium to medium.
                            If I am doing Astrophysics, ϵ and µ for free
                            space, are of primary significance; even
                            though people tend to use “c”, while missing
                            out the fundamental roles of ϵ and µ as some
                            of the core building blocks of the universe.
                            Funny thing is that the ϵ and µ of free
                            space were recognized well before Maxwell
                            synthesized Electromagnetism.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">   
                            With this background, I want underscore that
                            the “running time, “t” is of critical
                            importance in our formulation of the dynamic
                            universe. And, yet “t’ is not a directly
                            measurable physical parameter of any object
                            in this universe. What we measure is really
                            the frequency, or its inverse, the
                            oscillation periods of different physical
                            oscillators in this universe. So, frequency
                            can be dilated or contracted by controlling
                            the ambient physical parameter of the
                            environment that surrounds and INFLUENCES
                            the oscillator. The running time cannot be
                            dilated or contracted; even though Minkowsky
                            introduced this “dilation” concept. This is
                            the reason why I have been pushing for the
                            introduction in physics thinking the
                            Interaction Process Mapping Epistemology
                            (IPM-E). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                            style="font-size:14.0pt;color:windowtext">Chandra.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                            #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                                General [<a
href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>]<b>On
                                  Behalf Of </b>Wolfgang Baer<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2018
                                10:56 PM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> <a
                                  href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [General]
                                Foundational questions Tension field
                                stable particles</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p>Candra:<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"> Let’s
                          consider your tension filed is a medium
                          underlying the experience of space composed of
                          charge and mass density spread out in the
                          cross-section of a time loop.. Coordinate
                          frame cells of <i>small enough</i> sizes can
                          be described by constant enough mass and
                          charge densities in each cell. For small
                          enough cells the mass and charge values
                          concentrated at their centers may be used in
                          stead of the densities. The resulting field of
                          center values can take any pattern that
                          satisfies the extended dAlambert principle.
                          Besides the classic electro-magnetic Fem and
                          gravito-inertial force Fgi I postulate forces
                          tat hold charge and mass together Fcm, Fmc.
                          This condition assures mass charge centers in
                          each cell appear at locations of balanced
                          forces.  Each pattern which satisfies this
                          condition represents a static state of the
                          loop in which the patterns are fixed for the
                          lifetime of the loop.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b> </b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>The Charge-Mass
                            Separation Vector and Equilibrium States</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">The
                          physical size of the space is its volume. The 
                          volume (Vol) of space is the sum of the
                          infinitesimal volumes dVol of  each of the
                          cells composing that space “Vol = ∫<sub>all
                            space</sub> dVol”. These infinitesimal
                          volumes are calculated from the mass-charge
                          density extensions in each cell when viewed
                          externally as shown in figure 4.3-3a . The
                          physical volume depends upon the mass charge
                          separation pattern of the equilibrium state
                          the system being modeled exists in. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">            In CAT the
                          extension of a cell can be calculated as
                          follows. In each cell the distance between the
                          center of charge and mass is a vector d<b>ζ.</b>
                          The projection of this vector onto the degrees
                          of freedom directions available for the charge
                          and mass to move in the generalized coordinate
                          space allows us to expansion this vector as, 
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Eq.
                          4.3-1                     <b>dζ =</b> dζ<sub>t</sub><b>∙u<sub>t</sub></b>
                          + dζ<sub>x</sub><b>∙u<sub>x</sub> </b>+ dζ<sub>y</sub><b>∙u<sub>y</sub>
                          </b>+ dζ<sub>z</sub><b>∙u<sub>z</sub> +…</b>
                          dζ<sub>f</sub><b>∙u<sub>f</sub> +…,</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>            </b>where
                          the <b>u<sub>f</sub></b>’s are the unit
                          vectors. A space limited to Cartesian 3-space
                          is characterized by three x,y,z directions,
                          but CAT models a generalized space that
                          encompasses all sensor modalities not only the
                          optical ones. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">            The volume of a
                          cell calculated from the diagonal expansion
                          vector “<b>dζ”</b> by multiplying all non zero
                          coefficients,<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Eq.
                          4.3-2                     dVol =  dζ<sub>t</sub><b>∙</b>dζ<sub>x</sub><b>∙</b>dζ<sub>y</sub><b>∙</b>dζ<sub>z</sub><b>∙…∙</b>dζ<sub>f</sub><b>∙…
                            .</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">            The shape of
                          this volume is determined by the direction of
                          the expansion vector which in turn is
                          determined by the direction and strength of
                          forces pulling the charge and mass apart. The
                          direction of pull depends upon the number of
                          dimensions available in the generalized
                          coordinates of the media. The forces must be
                          in equilibrium but exact equilibrium pattern
                          depends upon which global loop equilibrium
                          state “Ζ” the event being modeled is in. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">            In the simplest
                          equilibrium state the masses and charges are
                          collocated. This implies the internal forward
                          propagating in time forces F<sub>cm</sub>,F<sub>mc</sub>,
                          and backward propagating in time force F<sub>mc</sub>*,F<sub>cm</sub>*
                          are zero, and if there are no internal force
                          pulling the charges and masses together then
                          sum of the remaining exterior gravito-electric
                          forces pulling the charge and mass apart must
                          separately be zero precisely at the
                          collocation point. A trivial condition that
                          satisfies these equations is when all forces
                          are zero. In this case there is no action in
                          the media and no action for expanding the
                          coordinate frame defining a volume of space.
                          We are back to a formless blob of zero volume,
                          where all charges and masses are at the same
                          point. This is the absolute ground state of
                          material, one level of something above
                          nothing.  The big bang before the energy of
                          action flow is added. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><!--[if gte vml 1]><v:shapetype id="_x0000_t75" coordsize="21600,21600" o:spt="75" o:preferrelative="t" path="m@4@5l@4@11@9@11@9@5xe" filled="f" stroked="f">
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<v:f eqn="prod @2 1 2" />
<v:f eqn="prod @3 21600 pixelWidth" />
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<v:f eqn="sum @0 0 1" />
<v:f eqn="prod @6 1 2" />
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<v:f eqn="sum @8 21600 0" />
<v:f eqn="prod @7 21600 pixelHeight" />
<v:f eqn="sum @10 21600 0" />
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<v:path o:extrusionok="f" gradientshapeok="t" o:connecttype="rect" />
<o:lock v:ext="edit" aspectratio="t" />
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<v:imagedata src="mailbox:///C:/Users/AL/AppData/Roaming/Thunderbird/Profiles/lthhzma2.default/Mail/pop3.strato-12.de/Inbox?number=6035&header=quotebody&part=1.1.2&filename=image001.gif" o:title="part1.89B7AF17.E7420CB4@a-giese" />
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                            style="width:2.6458in;height:2.6041in"
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                            align="left" width="254" height="250"><!--[endif]-->To
                          exemplify the methods we consider an
                          equilibrium state of a single isolated cell
                          whose only degree of freedom is the time
                          direction. This means the volume in all space
                          directions are infinitesimally small and the
                          volume can be considered a single line of
                          extension “ΔVol = ΔT<sub>w</sub> = ∫dζ<sub><span
                              style="font-size:14.0pt">t</span></sub><span
                            style="font-size:14.0pt"> “ </span>along
                          the time direction as shown in the god’s eye
                          perspective of figure 4.3-6. In this situation
                          we can consider charges and masses to be point
                          particles. Forces as well as action can only
                          propagate along the material length of the
                          line time line represented in space as “Qw”.
                          We now list the sequence of changes that can
                          propagate through around the equilibrium
                          positions indicated by numbers in parenthesis.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
                          level1 lfo2">
                          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span
                            style="mso-list:Ignore">(1)<span
                              style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                              Roman"">  </span></span><!--[endif]-->The
                          upper charge is pushed from its equilibrium
                          position (filled icon) forward along the time
                          line<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
                          level1 lfo2">
                          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span
                            style="mso-list:Ignore">(2)<span
                              style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                              Roman"">  </span></span><!--[endif]-->It
                          exerts a force “Fem” on the left charge
                          pushing it forward while feeling a reaction
                          force “Fem*” that retards it back to its
                          equilibrium position<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
                          level1 lfo2">
                          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span
                            style="mso-list:Ignore">(3)<span
                              style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                              Roman"">  </span></span><!--[endif]-->While
                          the left charge is moved from equilibrium it
                          exerts an internal “Fcm” force on the bottom
                          mass while feeling a reaction force “Fcm*”
                          which  returns it to equilibrium.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
                          level1 lfo2">
                          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span
                            style="mso-list:Ignore">(4)<span
                              style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                              Roman"">  </span></span><!--[endif]-->While
                          the bottom mass is moved from equilibrium it
                          exerts a force “Fgi” on the right mass while
                          feeling a reaction force “Fgi*”  which returns
                          it to equilibrium.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
                          level1 lfo2">
                          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span
                            style="mso-list:Ignore">(5)<span
                              style="font:7.0pt "Times New
                              Roman"">  </span></span><!--[endif]-->While
                          the right mass is moved from equilibrium it
                          exerts a force “Fmc” on the upper charge while
                          feeling a reaction force “Fmc*”  which returns
                          it to equilibrium. We are now back to (1).<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in">If
                          the system is isolated there is no dissipation
                          into other degrees of freedom and the
                          oscillation continues to move as a compression
                          wave around the “Qw” time line circumference
                          forever. The graph however is static and shows
                          a fixed amount of action indicated by the
                          shaded arrows around the time line. Motion in
                          “block” models is produced by the velocity of
                          the observer or model operator as he moves
                          around the time line. From our god’s eye
                          perspective an action density is permanently
                          painted on the clock dial and thereby
                          describes an total event. The last degree of
                          freedom events are rather trivial    <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">            We need a
                          geometry in which both space and time are
                          curved back on themselves to provide a donut
                          in which the forces Fem, Fgi, Fcm,Fmc are self
                          contained eigen states at each action quanta.
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal">Does any of this suggest a
                          tension field you might be thinking about??<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">On 1/24/2018 7:20 PM,
                            Roychoudhuri, Chandra wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote
                          style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                          <p class="MsoNormal">1. Yes, I have submitted
                            an essay. FQXi has not sent the approval
                            link yet. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">2. Replacement of our
                              SPIE conf. Without a supporting
                              infrastructure to replace SPIE-like
                              support, it is very difficult to manage. I
                              will try NSF during the last week of May.
                              Do you want to start negotiating with some
                              out-of-box European groups? <o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">3. Re-starting afresh
                              from the bottom up is the only way to
                              start re-building a unified field theory.
                              It is futile to force-fit whole bunch of
                              different theories that were structured
                              differently at different states of human
                              cultural epoch.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                On Jan 24, 2018, at 6:08 PM, Wolfgang
                                Baer <<a
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                                <p>Chandra:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p>Just rereading your 2015 paper
                                  "Urgency of evolution..."<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p>I love the sentiment " This is a good
                                  time to start iteratively
                                  re-evaluating and restructuring all
                                  the foundational postulates behind all
                                  the working theories"<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p>Did you write a paper for FQXi?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                <p>I sent one in  <a
                                    href="https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3043"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3043</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                                <pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Is there any chance to get a replacement for the SPIE conference, one that would expand the questions </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">beyond the nature of light?</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Wolf</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre>Dr. Wolfgang Baer<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre>Research Director<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre>Nascent Systems Inc.<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre>tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432<o:p></o:p></pre>
                                <pre>E-mail <a href="mailto:wolf@NascentInc.com" moz-do-not-send="true">wolf@NascentInc.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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