<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519960583415_4494">Chandra</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519960583415_4495">EXACTLY!</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519960583415_4496">The vortices studied in aerodynamics involve moving INERTIAL masses. My plenum has inertia and I think your CTF does, too. Neither has a gravitational mass. The media supports wave action but is not a wind? That is the problem. The vortexes seem to require a flow. </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519960583415_4497">Another requirement of cyclone vortices is the requirement for a ground.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519960583415_4498">Peter Jackson's 2017 FQXi's paper mentioned vortices are present at all size scales. One of my tenants is that the macro-scale provides analogies for the nano-scale. What could a vortex be in the nano-scale? Charge is the only open area not covered by the STOE.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519960583415_4499">Hodge</div><div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1519960583415_4500"> </div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, March 1, 2018 12:59 PM, "Roychoudhuri, Chandra" <chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv1133692933"><style>#yiv1133692933 #yiv1133692933 --
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hodge: </span></div>
<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Your “smoke ring vortex” has the dynamics needed for an oscillatory particle to become manifest. A doughnut does not have motions.</span></div>
<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">In a smoke ring, the smoke particles are moving. For
<b><i>field-particles</i></b> in CTF, the emergent E and B field GRADIENTS are oscillating in time and space. However, the CTF itself is not moving, either in time or in space, at least not in the CTF model.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">“Doughnut” is an incorrect static shape. This is not a good word to use. I was trying to make sure that people do not imagine vortex on the water surface. That is very different from “smoke
ring vortex”. The “smoke ring vortex” has been proposed since pretty old times. We should keep considering the idea.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">By the way, you would not “step on my toes” by using some of my concepts, as long as you give public credit.</span></div>
<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">This forum follows the basic principle that we all are
<b><i>“blind people trying to model the complex cosmic elephant”.</i></b> Newton, Einstein, Schrodinger, et al, did not succeed in solving all the problems of physics. Neither we are going to do that individually. No single human will ever do that. We need
collaborations. Only continued iterative collective effort can allow us to keep on refining and advancing the model for the “cosmic elephant”. </span></div>
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Sharing ideas enhances overall ideas and our understanding. However, we must also acknowledge where from we are borrowing some ideas to enhance it further.
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> General [mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Space as a CTF</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">are you addressing (John) Hodge. The equation I mentioned in my interpretation yields the sinc() function which gives the diffraction
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Why does it have to yield a doughnut? A doughnut in what?</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I was exploring the possibility that one of the charges (+?) could be formed in the plenum like a smoke ring vortex is formed. There
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I like your direction John , but do not understand how your equation makes a doughnut</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I'm considering that charge is vortices in my plenum (field). The hods (gravitational mass) produce vortices as they move.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I agree with you about charge being emergent. I can visualize it! But I cannot yet explain my vision. Hopefully this situation will not drag on for another
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<div class="yiv1133692933MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Perhaps the vortices are charge. Different vortices make + and - charge and the number of charges the intensity of the electric field.
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