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<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Hi Chandra,</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">"<i>My conviction comes from the consistently reproduced old fact that mass-less and charge-less Gamma can interact with heavy nuclei and give rise to “charged” and “massed” electron-positron pair.</i>"</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Same for me.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I noted however that many considering "quark physics" as you say, think only of the Gell-Man/Zweig theory, and seem not to be aware of the physically carried out non-destructive scattering experiments in the first 2 years of operation of the SLAC accelerator, with "bullet" electrons for the first time energetic enough to penetrate inside the volumes of protons and neutrons.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I give no credit to the Gell-Man/Zweig theory other than having predicted the fractional charges that were effectively measured via study of the deflected trajectories of the electrons that penetrated the nucleon volumes, including many completely backscattered in a highly inelastic manner.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">The detected particles making up the internal scatterable structure of nucleons were found to behave in all respect as slightly more massive elementary particles otherwise identical to electrons and positrons except for their fractional electric charges.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Their possible rest masses, are estimated from the data collected lie between 1 and 5 MeV/c<sup>2</sup> for the up quark and between 3 to 10 MeV/c<sup>2</sup> for the down quark.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Ref: CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics,84th edition 2003-3004. CRC Press, New York. 2003. P. 11-6</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">In the trispatial geometry, rest masses for the up and down can be calculated from the Coulomb force to lie within these experimentally determined limits for both particles with respect to distances corresponding to their fractional charges with respect to the unit charge of the electron.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">When I mention the up and down quark, it is of these SLAC physically detected particles that I am talking about, not of the up and down of the Gell-Man/Zweig theory.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I think that it is very unfortunate and confusing that the the scattered against inner components of nucleons were named "quarks", which makes them being constantly confused with the theoretical quarks set of the Gell-Man/Zweig theory.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">All SLAC papers pertaining to the first 2 years of operation pertain to these non-destructive scattering experiments. In fact, the SLAC was built precisely to be able for the first time to provide sufficient energy to electrons for them to penetrate the confines of nucleons in order to identify their internal structure, which is what they did.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">These papers are in the SLAC archive for whoever is interested in verifying and studying the scattering results.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt"><span style="font-size:11pt"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-CA"><span style="line-height:115%"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">Best Regards</span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
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<span>On Sat, 26 May 2018 15:30:55 +0000, "Roychoudhuri, Chandra" <chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu> wrote:</chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu></span><br>
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<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">My conviction comes from the consistently reproduced old fact that mass-less and charge-less Gamma can interact with heavy nuclei and give rise to “charged” and “massed” electron-positron pair.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">Therefore, both charge and mass are necessarily emergent properties out of the torus-like high speed resonant (self-looped and in-phase) oscillations of the richly endowed space, a Complex Tension Filed (CTF). Conceptually, “Quark” physics is a wrong direction!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">Resonant “self-looped and in-phase” motion, to me, is the universal foundation behind the emergence of “quantumness” in our micro-world, which is emergent out of the continuum of classical CTF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">Chandra.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] elementary charge question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">Hi Chandra and all,</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">I also agree with Andrew that "charge" would be an "emergent property", possibly a resonance state, because in the trispatial model, "charge" is also definable as an "emergent property" of kinetic energy that allows scaling the unit charge of the electron, the 2/3 charge of the up quark and the 1/3 charge of the down quark in inverse relation to their rest masses according to the Coulomb law.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">Best Regards</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Sat, 26 May 2018 14:21:09 +0000, "Roychoudhuri, Chandra" wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I like Andre’s cause-effect explanation that the acceleration of electrons follows the same mathematical relation up to extreme high velocities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I also like Andrew M’s view that charge is a “resonant state”. Does not that imply - charge is a form of secondary potential gradient generated due to the “resonant motion” of the space-medium ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On May 26, 2018, at 7:56 AM, Andrew Meulenberg <<a href="mailto:mules333@gmail.com">mules333@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Leptons in extreme proximity (sub-fermi levels?) can change their base mass (to below rest mass). I believe that they also change their charge (at the same rate, e.g., in e- e+ annihilation). The fact that quarks are proposed to have fractional charge indicates that unit charge is not inviolate. Nevertheless, I still think that charge is a resonant state. Proximity makes a difference. Is it because of overlap of fields, extreme fields, or conservation of energy?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 7:43 AM, André Michaud <<a href="mailto:srp2@srpinc.org" target="_blank">srp2@srpinc.org</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black">Hi Chip.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black">The very fact that electrons can be accelerated to close to c in a finely controlled manner in high energy accelerators while their trajectories can be just as precisely deflected at these velocities via finely controlling the relative densities of both ambient <strong>E</strong> field and <strong>B</strong> field is proof that the electron charge is stable at any velocity, because the <strong>E</strong> field depends on Maxwell's fist equation, which is Gauss's equation for the electric field, whose intensity is controlled by the Coulomb force at play between all charges as a function of the inverse square of the distance separating them. </span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black">It is the fact that the Coulomb force induces energy in electrons precisely as a function of the distance between charges at any velocity according to the precise inverse square law that allows this fine control. </span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black">Ref: Humphries S Jr (1986) <b>Principles of Charged Particle Acceleration</b>, John Wiley & Sons.</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black">Best Regards</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:10.0pt;margin-left:0in"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">André</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On Sat, 26 May 2018 05:44:04 -0500, "Chip Akins" wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">I have a question. Does anyone have information about the value of electric charge for a relativistic electron?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Does the value remain the elementary charge for electrons in accelerators?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">I am looking for experimental data or confirmation of this answer from experiment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> General [mailto:<a href="mailto:general-bounces%2Bchipakins" target="_blank">general-bounces+chipakins</a>=<a href="mailto:gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank">gmail.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roychoudhuri, Chandra<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:04 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] CLASSICAL,QUANTUM MECHANICS</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Richard G.: </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Thanks for bringing this to the attention of our group.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">I have already received this email from Amoroso and I am planning to submit an abstract.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:black">Hope to see most of you there.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] CLASSICAL,QUANTUM MECHANICS</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black"> I hope many of you will plan to attend the Vigier XI conference in Liege this August 6-9 and present your updated work. Please see the 2nd call for papers below. It will have been 3 years since SPIE meetings in San Diego, and it would be great for us to get together again in Liege this August. Several of us have already signed up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Second CALL FOR PAPERS – 11th Vigier Symposium, Liege, Belgium 2018<br>
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Dear Colleague;<br>
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The organizers of the Vigier Conference Series cordially invite you to present a paper at the XIth International Symposium in honor of mathematical physicist Jean-Pierre Vigier titled: “ADVANCES IN FUNDAMENTAL PHYSICS: Prelude to Paradigm Shift" to be held in Liege, Belgium, Monday, 6th August to Thursday, August 9th 2018, (or August 10th as appropriate) on a topic of your choice (preferably related to the theme of the symposium). Details may be found at: <br>
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<a href="http://www.noeticadvancedstudies.us/index11.html" target="_blank">http://www.noeticadvancedstudies.us/index11.html</a><br>
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If it is impossible for you to attend you may still submit a paper to the proceedings to be published by IOP Conference Proceedings, by paying the proceedings copy fee of US$ 100 or British Pound equivalent (70 BPS).<br>
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We look forward to IOP Proceedings this year as it is open access and thus readership should increase greatly; with addition of a Print Copy to attendees/submitters.<br>
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Please inform your potentially interested colleagues and print copies of the symposium poster for posting to Dept. bulletin boards.<br>
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Note: Scheduling of a presentation slot on the program requires submitting of registration and appropriate fees.<br>
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Apologies for any redundancies or duplicate email<br>
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Sincerely yours,<br>
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Chairmen<br>
Richard L Amoroso - Noetic Advanced Studies Institute, USA<br>
Daniel M. Dubois - Université de Liège, Liège, Belgium<br>
Louis H Kauffman - University of Illinois at Chicago, USA<br>
Peter Rowlands - University of Liverpool, UK<br>
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Director - Noetic Advanced Studies Institute<br>
<a href="http://www.noeticadvancedstudies.us" target="_blank">www.noeticadvancedstudies.us</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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