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body { font-family: Segoe UI; font-size: 12pt; }</style></head><body><div>Hi DataPR,</div><div><br /></div><div>A crash-start from a long-term reader of this forum:</div><div><br /></div><div>* Vivian Robertson studied implications of making the assumption that matter as self-confined EM fields. From that assumption he can derive the world as we see it, basically. He also postulates a theory for this self-confinement like Heisenberg/Feynman might have had if they were to innovate it: A push action from particle-particle exchanges with all possible "background" or "virtual as in not really there permanently but quite possible for short enough time" particles in its immediate neighbourhood.</div><div><br /></div><div>* John Williamson studied the EM field itself and worked for many years on getting one particle right: the largest-volume and lightest-mass confined particle he can describe with it, and it turns our to be an electron/positron. That theory is complementary to Vivians as it describes the wave-nature of the electron in more detail, but it can be quite daunting to see the particle-particle interactions for the layman: Each particle-path needs to first be converted to a wave-let and then back again to be understood by a "normal" reader that is less familiar with thinging of and calculating on fields. On the other hand, for a person like John W (and me) who are as used to wave-experiements on electrons as on particle experiements, the wave theory is soo much more appealing: It explains all the standing wave phenomena, superconducitivy, charge and flux quantizations as simple topological problems - a wave knot is the same knot, topoligically, however far you stretch in it any direction. You could imagine a free particle field (a free electron for example) in its smallest form as self-contained black hole photon, and a bound particle (electron in an atom) as the same photon but now now circling a larger mass so that it can also be further away from its gravity center and therefore can have a much lower frequency and longer wavelength and still find itself after the same number or rotations around it. That is the reason it interfere constructively over all its path and stays stable. A next level of understanding is that the different particle-fields inside a compound solid like a free atom or a sold-state picece of matter are as affected by the neighbouring fields as itselves, and therefore also stretch as more field is added (still preserving their individual topoligies). A more advanced level of understanding is that all those fields actually are the same field, just more instense and more complex than a fixed set of topological parameters: also all the possible combinations of the parameters that still conserve the net compound topology are in there, in the net wave, but at different times or rather room-timezones. That last level explains what happens in superconductors as it slips through a pin-hole of magnetic flux from one side to nother, or any other particle-wave experiment. I could never explain this in detail before John W mentioned his photon-electron theory.</div><div><br /></div><div>* John Macken studied the gravitational field itself, and found that an explainain for black holes that sets a limit on its density in a given universe-size. I see this as the ultimate level of understanding, where any field we observe is explained as a "swirl" and any particle as "rotation" on the sea of all possible oscillations in the gravity-field.</div><div><br /></div><div>Now this summary is just one of many that could be made, and all have their favorites here, but hopefully it can give some leads for even better stories to explain the world in worlds that even more can understand.</div><div><br /></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Joakim Petterson</div><div><br /></div>
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<div>Från: "Viv Robinson" <<a href="mailto:viv@universephysics.com">viv@universephysics.com</a>></div>
<div>Till: "DataPacRat" <<a href="mailto:datapacrat@gmail.com">datapacrat@gmail.com</a>>; "Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>></div>
<div>Skickat: 2019-03-17 00:59:59</div>
<div>Ämne: Re: [General] Short summaries of ideas?</div><div><br /></div>
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<div style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px; ">Hi DataPR</div> <br /> <div class="gmail_signature">I append a dozen pages that gives a physical and mathematical description of photons as I understand them. No calculus involved. Most of the mathematics is straight from text books, or slight extensions to them. The wave function equations are just a mathematical format of the physical description shown in the images. Photons of this structure and description are stable and self sustaining. They do not need other properties to describe them.</div><div class="gmail_signature"><br /></div><div class="gmail_signature">Hope this helps.</div><div class="gmail_signature"><br /></div><div class="gmail_signature">Vivian Robinson</div> <br /><p class="airmail_on">On 17 March 2019 at 3:26:52 AM, DataPacRat (<a href="mailto:datapacrat@gmail.com">datapacrat@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div><div></div><div>Hello to the members of this list,<br /><br />If you don't mind my asking, would it be possible for any of you to<br />share some short summaries of your approaches and the implications?<br />I'm afraid that I don't have the mathematical chops to truly<br />understand most of what I've been able to skim from the list's<br />archives, but I do write the odd amateur science-fiction story, and I<br />like being able to add physics details most other SF authours don't.<br /><br />For example, I might describe one small part of Chip Akins' ideas as<br />"photons are spiralling ribbons of EM fields, kept together by the<br />strong nuclear force; neutrinos are the same thing, only with a<br />different angle of twisting, and electrons the same but circling<br />around and around". (Which is about as much as I've managed to<br />assemble so far from the PDFs he's released.) I could do something of<br />the same with my superficial understanding of quantized inertia (or,<br />for fun, try to combine QI with Akins' ideas), but I've seen mentions<br />of other approaches in the archives that I haven't been able to track<br />down, let alone start reading.<br /><br />How much can you explain to someone who's forgotten just about all the<br />techniques of calculus?<br /><br /><br />Thank you for your time,<br />--<br />DataPacRat<br />"Does aₘᵢₙ=2c²/Θ ? I don't know, but wouldn't it be fascinating if it were?"<br />_______________________________________________<br />If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a href="mailto:viv@universephysics.com">viv@universephysics.com</a><br /><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/viv%40universephysics.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/viv%40universephysics.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br />Click here to unsubscribe<br /></a><br /></div></div></span></blockquote></blockquote></div>
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