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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>Richard,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>You ask whether a neutron or a Buckyball has an internal fundamental frequency equal to the calculated Compton frequency for the entire mass. My answer is that for a hadron such as a neutron or a molecule to be stabilized by the spacetime field, the unit has to achieve a resonance with the spacetime field which opposes the internal pressure implied by the energy density. For example, a proton has energy of about 1.5 x 10<sup>-10</sup> J and a radius of about 0.87 x10<sup>-15</sup> m (3.2 x 10<sup>-30</sup> m<sup>2</sup>). This is energy density of about 10<sup>35</sup> J/m<sup>3</sup> which converts to internal pressure of about 10<sup>35</sup> N/m<sup>2</sup>. Therefore, the internal structure can have multiple frequencies which add up to the Compton frequency of the composite (2 x 10<sup>23</sup> Hz). The stabilization comes when the spacetime field is capable of generating standing waves at this frequency with the proper phase to prevent energy loss and exert the required pressure. Therefore, the individual components can exist in the proton, but they interact as a unit to achieve a single frequency externally which generate the particle’s de Broglie waves.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>There is another important point about the frequency of an electron. There is no doubt that to generate a model of the electron’s de Broglie waves, the electron must create spherical standing waves with frequency equal to the electron’s Compton frequency. I can offer three reasons which support this statement.<o:p></o:p></span></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst style='color:#20188C;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>In de Broglie’s 1924 thesis which predicted that electrons should exhibit wave properties, he assumed the electron would generate waves with the electron’s Compton frequency. For example, he assumed the equation hν<sub>o</sub> = m<sub>o</sub>c<sup>2</sup>. This is Eq 1.1.5 on page 8 of his thesis available at: </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:windowtext'><a href="http://aflb.ensmp.fr/LDB-oeuvres/De_Broglie_Kracklauer.pdfo">http://aflb.ensmp.fr/LDB-oeuvres/De_Broglie_Kracklauer.pdfo</a> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>The frequency ν<sub>o</sub> is the electron’s Compton frequency (not twice the Compton frequency). He generated the correct wave characteristics from this assumption. This was experimentally proven correct several years later and he received the Nobel prize for this work.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle style='color:#20188C;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Edwin Schrodinger also assumed the electron generates waves with the electron’s Compton frequency in his paper <b>The Compton Effect</b>. This paper was previously discussed in my May 10 post (attached below). Schrodinger showed this frequency assumption generates the correct Compton effect.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=MsoListParagraphCxSpLast style='color:#20188C;margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I was previously unaware of the two previous references. Therefore, I independently proved that bidirectional standing waves with the electron’s Compton frequency generates the correct de Broglie wave characteristics (wavelength, phase velocity and group velocity).<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>If you maintain twice this frequency, you must be able to explain how twice the frequency generates the electron’s de Broglie waves.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>John M.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> General <general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Richard Gauthier<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 10, 2019 8:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [General] Single Component Model of Electrons<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hello John M. and all,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> Elementary particles such a neutron, and even small molecules such as fullerenes (Buckyballs) show double-slit wavelike interference patterns with a de Broglie wavelength Lambda-dB = h/p , where p is the particle’s or molecule's momentum. Does a resting neutron, consisting of 3 quarks and many gluons, actually have an internal fundamental physical frequency equal to the neutron’s calculated Compton frequency f=Mc^2/h where M is the mass of the neutron? I don’t think so. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> I think that it is also not necessary for a resting electron model to contain the Compton frequency Fcompton=mc^2/h in order to generate the de Broglie wavelength Lambda-dB=h/p when moving. My quantum vortex zitterbewegung electron model, like the Dirac electron, has an internal frequency equals to the Dirac zitterbewegung frequency 2mc^2/h which is twice the Compton frequency. Yet the electron model has a resting energy Eo=mc^2 because it is composed of a spin-1/2 half-photon originating from a double-helix photon model (composed of 2 spin-1/2 half-photons) that needed to have photon energy of at least E=2mc^2 and photon frequency Fzitt=2mc^2/h so that each half-photon composing this photon, during e-p pair production near an atomic nucleus, would have enough energy to form an electron or positron of rest energy mc^2 while internally keeping the original photon’s zitterbewegung frequency 2mc^2/h. It may be that it is a particle's rest energy Eo=mc^2 (as in a resting neutron or electron), and not a particle’s internal Compton frequency mc^2/h, that creates the de Broglie wavelength of a moving particle.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> Richard<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On May 10, 2019, at 3:55 PM, John Macken <<a href="mailto:john@macken.com">john@macken.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>Adam,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>In your last post to me, you asked the following question:</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>“What spherical standing wave models did Schrodinger work on? That is news to me!” <span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#20188C'> </span></span><span style='color:#20188C'>Schrodinger’s paper is discussed in my paper titled:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>Energetic spacetime: The new aether</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>. My paper is available at:</span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280081640_Energetic_Spacetime_the_New_Aether"><span style='color:purple'>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280081640_Energetic_Spacetime_the_New_Aether</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#333399'>Starting on page 10 of this paper, I talk about Schrodinger’s wave-based explanation of Compton scattering. I reference and quote from his paper titled:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>The Compton effect</b>.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>He did not specifically mention<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>spherical</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>standing waves, but he did propose a model of the standing wave pattern which would be formed by the spherical wave model of an electron I am proposing. In words, the photons in Schrodinger’s explanation of Compton scattering are reflecting off the Bragg reflector which would be produced in spacetime by my proposed model of an electron. There are more details to this explanation which are in the article.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>I must also mention that it was very difficult for me to obtain a copy of Schrodinger’s original paper. I saw references to it, but I had to buy a book of all of Schrodinger’s papers in order to get a copy of this paper. I do not now have a copy of this book.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>It should also be noted that in order to get the correct de Broglie wave pattern produced by an electron, the electron must be producing waves with frequency equal to the electron’s Compton frequency, in a stationary frame of reference. De Broglie himself also postulated this Compton frequency in his famous thesis paper. He used this frequency to predict the wave characteristics which were experimentally observed several years later. This earned him the Nobel prize. I mention this because several of the electron models being discussed by the group are based on twice the electron’s Compton frequency. This higher frequency does not produce the correct de Broglie waves for an electron.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>John M.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>General <<a href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Roychoudhuri, Chandra<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, May 09, 2019 4:39 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org">general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [General] Single Component Model of Electrons<span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Adam:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I am working from the bottom up, leveraging my re-discovery of Non-Interaction of Waves (NIW), which was experimentally demonstrated by Alhazen about 100 years ago and formally postulated by Huygens around 1676.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>NIW is built into wave equation where waves are propelled by the built-in tension property. Classical Superposition Principle (SP) and NIW are built into Maxwell’s wave equation.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> Quantum Superposition Principle if built into Schrodinger’s “wave” equation. However, this equation does not propel particles unless we plug in a potential gradient “V”!??</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> Optical SP can be displayed only after a detector interacts with the superposed multiple waves and absorbs energy. NIW remains effective – no results without a detector! That is the context where I defined the need for incorporating Interaction Process mapping Epistemology (IPM-E).</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> However, for quantum SP, we have been ignoring this IPM-E and spending many brilliant physicist-hours trying to build quantum computers using quantum SP!?</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Just some food for thought.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Chandra.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>General <<a href="mailto:general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span style='color:purple'>general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Adam K<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, May 09, 2019 2:33 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org"><span style='color:purple'>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [General] Single Component Model of Electrons<span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Chandra: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Yes, something like this is certainly true. The nature of the self-looping and the interactions of the structures and the gradients is mostly what I think about. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 11:21 AM Roychoudhuri, Chandra <<a href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu"><span style='color:purple'>chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Adam:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>I have conceptualized in my earlier papers, from the stand point of grand unification, that all the “forces” are fundamentally different kinds of potential gradients of the same CTF, generated (caused) by different kinds of localized self-looped oscillations, the exact structures of which should be determined by our mathematically talented colleagues.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Chandra.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>General <general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=<a href="mailto:uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Adam K<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, May 09, 2019 1:55 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [General] Single Component Model of Electrons<span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>John, Chandra,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>There is no doubt in my mind that what Chandra outlines is the right way to go for physics. There is of course a wave medium through which light and gravitational waves propagate. What exactly it is, is an open question. I prefer Chandra’s CTF to the zero-point energy field, because this is based on quantum concepts, and I feel that we should derive these concepts, not rely on them as foundational. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I will find time to look more in depth at your book, John. I believe that you are on the right track with your notions of electrostatic force and gravity. I had the same ideas myself, as have several others. The main problems (how to specify exactly how this works from simple first principles) remains unsolved I think. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>What spherical standing wave models did Schrodinger work on? That is news to me! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:10 AM Roychoudhuri, Chandra <<a href="mailto:chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>chandra.roychoudhuri@uconn.edu</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>“My work starts with a quantifiable model of zero-point energy (ZPE) in the quantum vacuum. This is modeled as a sea of Planck length and Planck time vacuum fluctuations, predominantly at Planck frequency. This is not arm waving – it has quantifiable impedance, flux energy density and elasticity. I then prove that both gravitational waves and electromagnetic radiation encounter this same impedance. This has the property of a universal field. Now<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><i>I have a concrete starting point to build everything in the universe</i></b>.”<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>John M:<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>This is great progress.</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Keep up the good work!</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>What the current literature is calling “zero-point energy”, I call it “Complex<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>Tension</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Field” or CTF. This is to trigger a fresh conceptual start.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><i>To me, CTF holds 100% of the energy of the universe</i></b>. EM waves cannot travel across the entire cosmic space with the same fixed velocity without the presence of stationary tension field. To accommodate absence of “ether drag”, particles have to be localized self-looped oscillators of the same tension field. EM waves and particles, comprising the observable universe, are just different kinds of excited states of this same CTF. Particles and EM waves can interact with each other and can get converted to each other. These excited state energy cannot be assimilated back by the CTF, hence the law of conservation of energy reigns supreme in our CAUSAL universe. Dark Energy and Dark Matter are dark alleys to me.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> Generating models for localized self-looped harmonic oscillators as elementary particles is the right direction for Physics, as you gentlemen are doing. Schrodinger’s Exp[iEt/ћ] with E=hf, f being the<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><i>self-looped oscillation frequency of particles</i></b>, makes Schrodinger equation so powerful. Interpreting Exp[iEt/ћ] as a plane wave has been a grave mistake of Physics. The universe cannot sustain a plane-waves; it is energetically divergent.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Keep up the good work,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Chandra.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>General <general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=<a href="mailto:uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>uconn.edu@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>John Macken<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, May 09, 2019 2:59 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion' <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [General] Single Component Model of Electrons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>Hi Adam,</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>Thank you for your comments. You have reminded me that I should look into previous work a little deeper. I did come across Milo Wolf’s work years ago. However, as I recall I concluded that de Broglie himself had pointed out that the counter propagating waves could create some of the characteristics of a particle’s de Broglie waves. Therefore, I did not see Milo Wolf adding too much. In fact, both Milo and</span><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Gabriel LaFreniere<span class=apple-converted-space><span style='color:#20188C'> </span></span><span style='color:#20188C'>have monopole wave diagrams. These are the easiest to draw as a starting point, but they are wrong when you actually look at their particle characteristics more closely. The most obvious problem is that they do not have ½ h bar angular momentum and related properties. </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>Schrodinger also attempted to generate a similar wave-based particle model. He eventually abandoned the idea because he was visualizing waves in classical space which is an empty void. Schrodinger could not offer any mechanism of how these waves could be stabilized.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>My work starts with a quantifiable model of zero-point energy (ZPE) in the quantum vacuum. This is modeled as a sea of Planck length and Planck time vacuum fluctuations, predominantly at Planck frequency. This is not arm waving – it has quantifiable impedance, flux energy density and elasticity. I then prove that both gravitational waves and electromagnetic radiation encounter this same impedance. This has the property of a universal field. Now I have a concrete starting point to build everything in the universe.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>I will skip many intermediate steps and mention that this model of the quantum vacuum and particles generate both electric fields and gravity. I then find that this wave-based model reveals relationships between the gravitational force and the electrostatic force which were previously unrecognized. I give several predictions which are easily proven correct. I have other predictions, not mentioned in the article, which require experiments. If you are interested, I can talk about predictions (not in the article) in a future post.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'>John M.</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#20188C'> </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>General <<a href="mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>general-bounces+john=macken.com@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Adam K<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Wednesday, May 08, 2019 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion <<a href="mailto:general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>general@lists.natureoflightandparticles.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [General] Single Component Model of Electrons<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I was surprised to see your diagrams. I thought I was the only one pursuing models of this kind. Well done for striking so closely at the door of truth! <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Your paper would probably benefit from mention of the work of Milo Wolf, Gabriel LaFreniere, Geoff Haselhurst, and others who have pursued the spherical standing wave model of the electron. Their diagrams are basically identical to yours (except for the spirals). <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>One problem that all of these authors have had is how to get the inward-propagating waves. You mention Bragg reflection of vortex waves entering resonance with the spacetime field. Do you have the details worked out mathematically? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Also, many thanks for the appendix, which looks very useful. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Adam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:17 AM John Macken <<a href="mailto:john@macken.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>john@macken.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Hello All,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> I have been following the discussion, but I have not contributed for a long time. I have been working on a model of the universe based on the idea that the quantum vacuum is Planck length and Planck time vacuum fluctuations. This is a quantifiable starting assumption for a universal field which generates everything in the universe, including electrons. The attached paper draft titled<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>Single component model of the universe</b>, starts off by describing this basic building block. However, the second half of this paper tests this hypothesis by seeing if it can generate a model of an electron from the properties of the quantum vacuum.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> This model addresses electron properties generally not addressed in this group. For example, an electron’s de Broglie wave characteristics give key insights into the required physical properties of an electron model. Since this research generates equations for the properties of the quantum vacuum, it is possible use these equations to test whether the model generates the electron’s energy, inertia, electric field and gravitational field. This model generates numerous falsifiable predictions. Some of these predictions can be easily tested. Other predictions require further analysis or experiments.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> Besides the attached paper, there is a second attached PDF titled “Chapter 1 Appendix”. This is reference [19] in the paper. This reference is 2 pages out of a 400 page book. Therefore, it is easier to just attach this for this group. It contains several key calculations which form the basis of the electron model.<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <span class=apple-converted-space> </span><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>John Macken<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:afokay@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>afokay@gmail.com</span></a><br><a href="<a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.natureoflightandparticles.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fgeneral-natureoflightandparticles.org%2Fafokay%2540gmail.com%3Funsub%3D1%26unsubconfirm%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Cchandra.roychoudhuri%40uconn.edu%7Cce725cd4d3ee431a28d008d6d4acbb65%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C636930235698429794&sdata=iCeM%2F1nWGqxjCSNVkVQfktHKUO6vg3NKxdJOnFDYOOM%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/afokay%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</span></a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:afokay@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>afokay@gmail.com</span></a><br><a href="<a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.natureoflightandparticles.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fgeneral-natureoflightandparticles.org%2Fafokay%2540gmail.com%3Funsub%3D1%26unsubconfirm%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Cchandra.roychoudhuri%40uconn.edu%7Cce725cd4d3ee431a28d008d6d4acbb65%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C636930235698439803&sdata=0OKE0S2556d1LWnCM%2BRf16Fu%2FEgPF6j%2FYbAJQEap4jw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/afokay%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</span></a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="mailto:afokay@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>afokay@gmail.com</span></a><br><a href="<a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.natureoflightandparticles.org%2Foptions.cgi%2Fgeneral-natureoflightandparticles.org%2Fafokay%2540gmail.com%3Funsub%3D1%26unsubconfirm%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Cchandra.roychoudhuri%40uconn.edu%7Cce725cd4d3ee431a28d008d6d4acbb65%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C1%7C636930235698449811&sdata=2c5wIbjKmfDO23FsdEMZu%2FnCVm5m55nm9HFgHste3Sc%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/afokay%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</span></a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>If you no longer wish to receive communication from the Nature of Light and Particles General Discussion List at <a href="mailto:richgauthier@gmail.com">richgauthier@gmail.com</a><br><a href="<a href="http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/richgauthier%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">http://lists.natureoflightandparticles.org/options.cgi/general-natureoflightandparticles.org/richgauthier%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1</a>"><br>Click here to unsubscribe<br></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>