[General] Electrons through the looking glass

Thu Apr 16 12:20:30 PDT 2015

Dear John D,

The falaco soliton is only a 3D representation of the 4D system of an
electron-positron pair. I can't give the full picture. It can show the
'wormhole' between the two matched sub-systems that are a single unit.

I like the hydraulic wave animation you provided. However, the vortex that
I was picturing has a near-vertical axis. As a pair of vortices with a
joining 'tube', the hydraulic structure would bob up & down and move along
the plane-wave surface dragging the tube behind (moving slower because it
is at a greater depth).  The e-p case would of course 'bob' in and out of
the EM potential field rather than the wave amplitude of the hydraulic pair.

Andrew

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:19 PM, John Duffield <johnduffield at btconnect.com>
wrote:

>   Andrew:
>
> Can I point out that the Falaco soliton is akin to half a smoke ring.
> Thomson and Tait experimented with smoke rings, see On vortex atoms
> <http://zapatopi.net/kelvin/papers/on_vortex_atoms.html> and On vortex
> particles
> <http://www.scribd.com/doc/68152826/On-Vortex-Particles-Fiasco-Press-Journal-of-Swarm-Scholarship#scribd>.
>
>
> [image: FalacoSystem]
>
> The electron as modelled by John W and Martin is like a smoke ring but
> with a stress-energy flow rather than a fluid flow. One could think of it
> as an optical vortex with a minor-axis "smoke ring" rotation as well as a
> major-axis "steering wheel" rotation. The Falaco soliton isn't like two of
> these things, it's like half of one.
>
> [image: toroid2]
>
> There is a vortex of sorts associated with a water wave in that a test
> particle moves rotationally.
>
> [image: Deep_water_wave]
>
> If you could contrive things so that the wave was moving in a very tight
> circle, IMHO the test particles would be skew-displaced, but they wouldn't
> move. They might jitter a little, but they wouldn't go round in circles
> like they do when the wave moves linearly. It would look like there was no
> motion. Then what we'd have is essentially a standing wave and a standing
> field instead of a field variation.
>
> Regards
> John D
>
>
>  *From:* Andrew Meulenberg <mules333 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:55 AM
> *To:* David Mathes <davidmathes8 at yahoo.com> ; Nature of Light and
> Particles - General Discussion
> <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> ; Andrew Meulenberg
> <mules333 at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [General] Electrons through the looking glass
>
>     Dear David,
>
> I have long considered that the signature of a good physicist is the
> ability to ask good questions. You do that. If you don't mind, I will turn
> some of your questions into statements for our questionnaire to determine
> the various positions of the group. Most of us have positions relative to
> the possible answers.
>
> Your last question is one that I have not previously addressed and is very
> important: "...is the photon in the electron the same as the photon outside
> the electron?"
>
> In trying to 'picture' the answer, I think of the falaco soliton and the
> production of coupled vortex pairs from a paddle moving thru the water. To
> me this is a basis for the formation of the electron-positron pair from a
> photon. However, in looking closer at the analogy I would like to improve
> the simulation. The result of water (e.g., in a stream) moving past a
> stationary paddle is not the same as waves on a lake moving past the
> stationary paddle.
>
> Has anyone seen such a simulation?
>
> Few of the water molecules are moving along with the wave! So any vortices
> formed are not the same as with the stream flow. Most of the water
> molecules in the wave flow back and forth; therefore, if the wave is large
> enough for each wave cycle, four vortices (of some nature) would form. They
> would be 'dragged along' by the wave at a much lower speed. The 'lagging'
> pair would interfere with the leading pair being formed by the next 'surge'
> of the wave. What happens to the disturbance moving forward in time and
> space? To 1st order, ignoring the lagging vortices provides an oppositely
> rotatiing pair moving forward with the wave, but with a much reduced
> velocity. A portion of the linear momentum of the incident wave (moving
> forward at a uniform velocity) has been converted into the balanced angular
> momentum of the vortices that oscillate back and forth as they move forward
> with the carrier wave.
>
> There are other similarities and differences between the leptons and the
> vortices, but they would take more study than I have time for now.
> Nevertheless, just thinking about vortices from the water waves is useful
> for thinking about the creation of leptons from a photon. We would not
> think of the vortex pair as being the same as the incident plane wave, and
> they are not. Yet they are closely related and the pair is more so than
> either vortex alone.
>
> Andrew
>
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