[General] Listing topics on "photon-to-electron" discussion and people's views

Sat Feb 21 05:34:12 PST 2015

Dear Martin,

Thank you for the input.  I look forward to learning from you in many areas
(I guess I need to start by reading your papers).  Right now, in my cold
fusion work, I am looking at the effects on an electron when it is within a
fermi of a proton. So, both your comments on the size of the electron
(under those conditions) and the weak interaction are particularly
important to me. I think that both this work on the electron and the
theories of cold fusion will open up physics in the same manner as did
relativity & QM in the last century.

My interest in the Pauli Principle fits with the model we have for the
beginning process(es) in cold fusion. Perhaps you can answer a question
that no one seems able to address: "when do two fermions become a boson?"
It is possible to consider superconductivity, which does not require the
electrons to be close and electron-positron annihilation, which requires
them to be very close. What about two electrons in an atomic s-orbit
(averaging an angstrom apart)? What about two electrons in a deep Dirac
level orbit (~2 fermi radius, so 4 fm apart)? What about the proton and an
electron? Physics seems to accept what is convenient and reject what cannot
be proven.

We need a list of all the papers submitted and who will be there. I look
forward to the sessions and the gatherings before & after.

Andrew
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On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Mark, Martin van der <
martin.van.der.mark at philips.com> wrote:

>  Andrew, good work.
>
> I would like to add to: "4) electron properties derived from photon":
>
> ·         anomalous gyromagnetic ratio, g-2
>
> ·         point-like interaction
>
> ·         Pauli principle
>
> ·         weak interaction
>
> At the moment I am (with John W) trying to prepare a paper o the Pauli
> Principle, we have had  some idea about this since 1994 (see ICHEP'94
> conference). The weak interaction is perhaps too illusive yet in a photon
> model, so very interesting to test creativity perhaps. Note that all other
> features in the list have been covered already in our 1997 paper.
>
>
>
> There is a little anecdote about this, I was invited to Hendrik Casimir's
> home in 1993 (the Casimir force Casimir, indeed), He had retired more than
> 2 decades before from being the CEO of Philips Research and was, at 84,
> still very active. It was quite some honour to me and it was because he had
> heard about "the electron as a photon in toroidal topology" paper of John
> and me and was quite pleased with the derivation of the De Broglie
> wavelength and its cause as described in that paper (the original version
> was written in 1991, it took us a while to get it published). I had a long
> talk with him on black body radiation from wavelength size structures as
> well as on the so-called quantum cutter. Both where seen as very important
> for making more efficient lamps.
>
> Cheers, Martin
>
>
>
> Dr. Martin B. van der Mark
>
> Principal Scientist, Minimally Invasive Healthcare
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
> *From:* General [mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=
> philips.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Meulenberg
> *Sent:* zaterdag 21 februari 2015 9:03
> *To:* Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion; Andrew
> Meulenberg
> *Cc:* P.G. Vaidya
> *Subject:* [General] Listing topics on "photon-to-electron" discussion
> and people's views
>
>
>
> Dear Folk,
>
> I just finished glancing through Viv's paper. (I won't have time to read
> it for a while).
>
>
> http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.la-press.com%2Fredirect_file.php%3FfileId%3D3567%26filename%3DPPI-4-Robinson_7102%26fileType%3Dpdf&ei=XrzaVN3yM5LaoASdvIBI&usg=AFQjCNEgMis5p6Np1a0a_LqfbJG-HZMcrw&bvm=bv.85761416,d.cGU
>
>
>
> Like so many papers of what has been written by people in this group, I
> think that we are all seeing the same vision (not necessarily thru the same
> glasses). On most of the topics, I could not express the many important
> points as well as she did, or John W. did, or John D. did, etc. in their
> various writings. The number of subtopics in the field is immense. The
> number of people (and egos of independent minds?) involved is already large
> and growing. How do we move it forward?
>
> We don't have time to sort it all out with presentation of many individual
> papers (on one day at a single conference)  that will say much the same
> thing. We don't have time to sort it all out with joint discussions of all
> of the topics during that week. Chandra has done almost single-handedly a
> great job on organizing and running the Nature of Light series. It has been
> growing over the years. I think that we all want to do things faster with
> this new direction. We now have the critical mass to bring it all together.
> Chandra has provided the 'bootstrap' to help us get it off the ground.
>
> Chip and Chandra have listed some topics that need to be covered. John W.
> started to answer some of them. These are points for discussion when we get
> together at the conference (and even before). In the meantime, I would
> propose that we do several things that will organize our diverse thoughts,
> but joint effort. I would welcome someone volunteering for the work
> necessary and for other suggestions and contributions of ideas and effort.
> If we can use the website as a repository of contributions and a 'poster
> board' of the contributors and presentations, then we might be able to
> multiply the benefits of this gathering and its impact on the physics
> community.
>
> We need a poster paper that will:
>
>    1. identify the main photonic electron concepts
>    2. List session presentations and presenters at the conference
>
>
>     - title of paper (s) and
>       - main emphasis of the presentation
>
>
>    1. list topics that identify what we consider to be the important
>    points.
>
>
>     - it will contain sub topics and the subtopics will have 'positions'
>       (specific concepts or simply pro & con)
>       - each subtopic position will have a primary 'advocate' (if one
>       exists) and
>       - Each member of the group (not just those at the conference) will
>       have a column that will be filled in for each postion (e.g., green for
>       agree, red for disagree, yellow for mixed, blank for undecided, 'O' for
>       thinking that the position, subtopic, or topic has no added value.
>
>
>    1. provide a decision process that:
>
>
>     - 'encourages' each author to chose a topic (or topics) to emphasize
>       in their presentation at the conference.
>       - The papers probably will have to follow the abstract submitted.
>       They can be more complete. However,
>       - the presentations can avoid great repetition by having a couple
>       general views at the beginning of the session(s) and then limiting slides
>       to the particular point of interest.
>
>
>    1. propose an additional conference  to carry on what we are starting
>    this year.
>
>
>     - for alternating years?
>       - In Europe?
>       - SPIE, or other sponsor
>       - title?
>
>
>    1. . - - - -
>
> As a starting point, the topics list for people to vote on could include:
>
>    1. Photon properties leading to the electron
>
>
>     - Potentials in a photon (AM & BH)
>       - fields of a photon
>       - energy (mass) density of a photon (AM)
>       - self-focusing as result of high mass-density distortion of space
>       - total internal reflection
>       - Imbert-Fedorov effect
>
>
>    1. Coherent photon interactions
>
>
>     - Constructive interference (Bosonic nature)
>       - Destructive interference (Fermionic nature)
>       - in-between interference (non- interaction?)
>       - incoherent interference (non- interaction?)
>
>
>    1. Photon-to-electron conversion
>
>
>     -  self coherence
>       - photon bending in an inhomogenous *E*-field
>       - 'rectification' of light
>       - electron-positron coupling via wormhole
>       - etc.
>
>
>    1. Electron properties derived from photon:
>
>
>     - total energy
>       - EM energy
>       - charge (potential & fields)
>       - mass (charge & energy equivalent)
>       - Compton wavelength
>       - deBroglie wavelength?
>       - ang. momentum
>       - spin
>       - relativistic response
>       - predictions, different from known properties?
>       - ??
>
>
>    1. Others?
>
> Contributions to this list, from others in the group, should be added in
> italics. Phrasing these listed items in the form of true/false questions
> may not be possible; but, it is worth a try so that people can quickly
> answer and give a picture of where we stand as a subgroup.
>
> This set of posters is not just for the subgroup. It will act as a guide
> for the group of attendees and speakers who have not thought deeply about
> the electron as based on photons.
>
> Andrew
>
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