[General] Listing topics on "photon-to-electron" discussion and people's views

Sat Feb 21 03:14:51 PST 2015

Andrew, good work.
I would like to add to: "4) electron properties derived from photon":

*         anomalous gyromagnetic ratio, g-2

*         point-like interaction

*         Pauli principle

*         weak interaction
At the moment I am (with John W) trying to prepare a paper o the Pauli Principle, we have had  some idea about this since 1994 (see ICHEP'94 conference). The weak interaction is perhaps too illusive yet in a photon model, so very interesting to test creativity perhaps. Note that all other features in the list have been covered already in our 1997 paper.

There is a little anecdote about this, I was invited to Hendrik Casimir's home in 1993 (the Casimir force Casimir, indeed), He had retired more than 2 decades before from being the CEO of Philips Research and was, at 84, still very active. It was quite some honour to me and it was because he had heard about "the electron as a photon in toroidal topology" paper of John and me and was quite pleased with the derivation of the De Broglie wavelength and its cause as described in that paper (the original version was written in 1991, it took us a while to get it published). I had a long talk with him on black body radiation from wavelength size structures as well as on the so-called quantum cutter. Both where seen as very important for making more efficient lamps.
Cheers, Martin

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From: General [mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=philips.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Meulenberg
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Subject: [General] Listing topics on "photon-to-electron" discussion and people's views

Dear Folk,
I just finished glancing through Viv's paper. (I won't have time to read it for a while).
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.la-press.com%2Fredirect_file.php%3FfileId%3D3567%26filename%3DPPI-4-Robinson_7102%26fileType%3Dpdf&ei=XrzaVN3yM5LaoASdvIBI&usg=AFQjCNEgMis5p6Np1a0a_LqfbJG-HZMcrw&bvm=bv.85761416,d.cGU

Like so many papers of what has been written by people in this group, I think that we are all seeing the same vision (not necessarily thru the same glasses). On most of the topics, I could not express the many important points as well as she did, or John W. did, or John D. did, etc. in their various writings. The number of subtopics in the field is immense. The number of people (and egos of independent minds?) involved is already large and growing. How do we move it forward?

We don't have time to sort it all out with presentation of many individual papers (on one day at a single conference)  that will say much the same thing. We don't have time to sort it all out with joint discussions of all of the topics during that week. Chandra has done almost single-handedly a great job on organizing and running the Nature of Light series. It has been growing over the years. I think that we all want to do things faster with this new direction. We now have the critical mass to bring it all together. Chandra has provided the 'bootstrap' to help us get it off the ground.
Chip and Chandra have listed some topics that need to be covered. John W. started to answer some of them. These are points for discussion when we get together at the conference (and even before). In the meantime, I would propose that we do several things that will organize our diverse thoughts, but joint effort. I would welcome someone volunteering for the work necessary and for other suggestions and contributions of ideas and effort. If we can use the website as a repository of contributions and a 'poster board' of the contributors and presentations, then we might be able to multiply the benefits of this gathering and its impact on the physics community.
We need a poster paper that will:

  1.  identify the main photonic electron concepts
  2.  List session presentations and presenters at the conference

     *   title of paper (s) and
     *   main emphasis of the presentation

  1.  list topics that identify what we consider to be the important points.

     *   it will contain sub topics and the subtopics will have 'positions' (specific concepts or simply pro & con)
     *   each subtopic position will have a primary 'advocate' (if one exists) and
     *   Each member of the group (not just those at the conference) will have a column that will be filled in for each postion (e.g., green for agree, red for disagree, yellow for mixed, blank for undecided, 'O' for thinking that the position, subtopic, or topic has no added value.

  1.  provide a decision process that:

     *   'encourages' each author to chose a topic (or topics) to emphasize in their presentation at the conference.
     *   The papers probably will have to follow the abstract submitted. They can be more complete. However,
     *   the presentations can avoid great repetition by having a couple general views at the beginning of the session(s) and then limiting slides to the particular point of interest.

  1.  propose an additional conference  to carry on what we are starting this year.

     *   for alternating years?
     *   In Europe?
     *   SPIE, or other sponsor
     *   title?

  1.  . - - - -

As a starting point, the topics list for people to vote on could include:

  1.  Photon properties leading to the electron

     *   Potentials in a photon (AM & BH)
     *   fields of a photon
     *   energy (mass) density of a photon (AM)
     *   self-focusing as result of high mass-density distortion of space
     *   total internal reflection
     *   Imbert-Fedorov effect

  1.  Coherent photon interactions

     *   Constructive interference (Bosonic nature)
     *   Destructive interference (Fermionic nature)
     *   in-between interference (non- interaction?)
     *   incoherent interference (non- interaction?)

  1.  Photon-to-electron conversion

     *    self coherence
     *   photon bending in an inhomogenous E-field
     *   'rectification' of light
     *   electron-positron coupling via wormhole
     *   etc.

  1.  Electron properties derived from photon:

     *   total energy
     *   EM energy
     *   charge (potential & fields)
     *   mass (charge & energy equivalent)
     *   Compton wavelength
     *   deBroglie wavelength?
     *   ang. momentum
     *   spin
     *   relativistic response
     *   predictions, different from known properties?
     *   ??

  1.  Others?

Contributions to this list, from others in the group, should be added in italics. Phrasing these listed items in the form of true/false questions may not be possible; but, it is worth a try so that people can quickly answer and give a picture of where we stand as a subgroup.

This set of posters is not just for the subgroup. It will act as a guide for the group of attendees and speakers who have not thought deeply about the electron as based on photons.

Andrew

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