[General] Axes plots

Tue Jun 23 11:48:39 PDT 2015

Hi John

Very well said!!!

May I cite you regarding this statement?

There is a disease which I do not fully understand which seems to have
infected nearly every physicist living and most for about the last hundred
years. That is the desire to "quantise" everything from the beginning. It
seems to me that, if you do that, you lose the possibility of finding out
why things are quantised all. You are already lost. Ok it is kind of nice to
put in something that you observe experimentally as an axiom, I suppose.
Poor choice if you want to understand the origins of quantisation though.

Chip

From: General
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Subject: Re: [General] Axes plots

Could not agree more. 

There is far far more unknown than known for all of us collectively.
Further, any of our competences is dwarfed by those of all of us.

I see it now. Seuss was right all along (as always) and we need to go onto
that new alphabet!

Gonna use it in the new paper ... watch this space ...

Cheers,

John.

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From: David Mathes [davidmathes8 at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 4:16 PM
To: John Williamson; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
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Subject: Re: [General] Axes plots

John,

"It's high time you were shown

That you really don't know

All there is to be known."

"In the places I go there are things that I see

That I never could spell if I stopped with the Z.

I'm telling you this 'cause you're one of my friends.

My alphabet starts where your alphabet ends!"

>From Seuss, T.G. "On Beyond Zebra" 1955 

David

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Subject: RE: [General] Axes plots

Dear David and Andrew,

There is a disease which I do not fully understand which seems to have
infected nearly every physicist living and most for about the last hundred
years. That is the desire to "quantise" everything from the beginning. It
seems to me that, if you do that, you lose the possibility of finding out
why things are quantised all. You are already lost. Ok it is kind of nice to
put in something that you observe experimentally as an axiom, I suppose.
Poor choice if you want to understand the origins of quantisation though.

Andrew, then, raises an important point. Why not a continuum indeed? I think
the proper answer lies in the relationship between things - not in the
things themselves. Things inter-act. Charge is, at root, (at least an
invitation to) an inter-action.

Imagine a bunch of such inter-actors in a (universe sized) box. They do what
they do. They inter-act. Now imagine some of them are bigger, faster, better
inter-actors. It turns out that the universal law that big is small and
small is large makes these the little guys. Small, loud and shrill. They
throw out their stuff to all and sundry - losing energy (and hence getting
bigger) in the process. The stuff they throw out is more likely to find the
(bigger) quiet ones - hence shrinking them. Meanwhile (being small) they do
not get a lot of stuff back. In time, if you have enough inter-actors then
all tend to the same size and potency. Apparent uniformity (quantisation) is
then just a result of thermodynamic exchange.

Discuss!

Regards, John W.

P.S. Spin is different!

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Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:28 AM
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Cc: Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Manohar .; Ariane Mandray; David Mathes
Subject: Re: [General] Axes plots

Dear John W. and all,

If you start with a circularly-polarized photon, give it one full twist per
wavelength (to 'unwind' it), and then close it at any point, could you not
create the out-going E-field that we attribute to the electron or positron?
However, since there is no reason to join the twisted photon only at integer
wavelengths, then the electron would not have fixed properties. The only
thing fixed would be the amount of twist per wavelength. What causes the
photon twist in any of the models and, if the above model is correct, why
don't we have particles with a continuum of charge (and spin?) values?

Andrew

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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 12:19 AM, John Williamson
<John.Williamson at glasgow.ac.uk <mailto:John.Williamson at glasgow.ac.uk> >
wrote:

Here are some using a set of axes, as in the POS paper circulated earlier

Torfieldrock just shows three views of a positron. 

Torfieldsinglemin0.4 is just a simple double loop. Not too busy.

Trockrevert is similar to the first, but with a glass torus.

Cheers, John.

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