[General] nature of light particles & theories

Tue Oct 13 11:25:21 PDT 2015

To group:

I would like to point out that, except for occasional hints to the 
contrary, the mind set of this discussion does not properly take into 
account the nature of the observer and specifically the 1'st person, 
you, the reader. I've attached a companion paper to the paper I 
submitted to the SPIE conference. In this one I analyzed Einsteins 
Special Relativity derivation by pointing out the role that Einstein 
himself and all who follow him have taken on an implicit assumption 
describing reality as an independent background space.
     Sentences like " when an observer in one coordinate system looks at 
another he sees time dilating ..." etc. are examples of an illusion in 
which the creator of the analysis takes on a god like perspective that 
assumes one observer simply looks over at another clock as though this 
is possible.    What has been forgotten is that each observer is 
implemented as his own coordinate frame and space as well as all objects 
observed in it are internal displays which interpret interactions of the 
coordinate frame with other such frames. Space is a sensation just like 
any other sensation and requires understanding of the internal 
interpretive processing between interaction hits and their 
interpretative display.
         I've had discussions along this point with Albrecht Giese, who 
would like to put off the introduction of the 1'st person, develop a 
better 3'd person physics, and then reintroduce explanations of our 1'st 
person experience as a subsequent exercise. I fully understand this 
approach since it is based upon the only sane philosophical metaphysics 
our main stream culture has available. No one would get a job 
criticizing this view point.
However as Kracklauer On 10/12/2015 4:42 AM,  pointed out " Two entities 
cannot at once be both be dialted in the other's view and not their own. 
  The real trick here is explaing how this is not obvious to authors of 
text books!" It is not obvious because physics is defined to be the 
study of that independent reality that does not include you and I as 
conscious beings who are doing the processing that makes a 3D world and 
its physics appear in the first place. If the self is included we call 
it a religion and physicists do not want to have anything to do with it.
         Unfortunately if we do not break out of this self imposed 
limit, we will continue to develop more and more intricate models that 
miss the central point, which Eddington warned us about, that is,  we 
project properties of our knowledge gathering methodology into the 
reality we think we are measuring.

Best of luck
Wolf

Dr. Wolfgang Baer Research Director Nascent Systems Inc. tel/fax 
831-659-3120/0432 E-mail wolf at NascentInc.com
On 10/13/2015 2:54 AM, af.kracklauer at web.de wrote:
> Hi all:
> See: book citation below:
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 12. Oktober 2015 um 23:42 Uhr
> *Von:* "Mark, Martin van der" <martin.van.der.mark at philips.com>
> *An:* "Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion" 
> <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>
> *Cc:* "'Nick Bailey'" <nick at bailey-family.org.uk>, "'Anthony Booth'" 
> <abooth at ieee.org>, "'Ariane Mandray'" <ariane.mandray at wanadoo.fr>, 
> "'ARNOLD BENN'" <arniebenn at mac.com>
> *Betreff:* Re: [General] nature of light particles & theories
>
> Dear John D,
>
> Indeed, perspective, this was the main conclusion from a  set of 
> extensive discussions about the meaning of relativity I held with Phil 
> Butler when I was I New Zealand working at Canterbury University in 
> Christ Church a few years ago. As humans we are very used to coping 
> with the projections of 3D space we perceive, but we only learned how 
> to deal with it in drawings and paintings some 500 hundred years ago. 
> They key point to it is called perspective. Your example of the small 
> man (in the distance) seeing me as a small man (at the same distance) 
> is great, thank you, it is priceless. In relativity this concept is 
> extended to time as well (slow clock for fast man sees slow clock of 
> other fast man). It is all a matter of perspective, much more than 
> most physicist even think it is. The apparent  shortening and rotation 
> of fast objects is another example of perspective, as is looking 
> around corners of fast getaway cars to see the gunman firing at you 
> (if you know that example at all).
>
> It is time for a proper book: Perspective in relativity. It may exist 
> already….
>
> AK: In this regard, one might try: D. E. Liebscher,  "Einsteins 
> Relativitätstheorie und die Geometrien der Ebene"  (Tubener, Leipzig, 
> 99) ISBN: 3-519-00278-7.  There is a translation into English: D. E. 
> L. "The Geometry of Time" , Wiley-VCH, Weiheim, 05), ISBN: 
> 978-3-527-40567-1.  (The translator appears not to have been a native 
> English speaker/translator, nor a professional physicist.  Looks OK at 
> first, but I found it hard to follow, although I'm a native English 
> spearker. Gave up and turned to the German version, which is clear 
> with conventional physics terminology.)
>
> ---Regards, Al
>
> Very best regards, Martin
>
> Dr. Martin B. van der Mark
>
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