[General] Matter comprised of light-speed energy

Thu Jun 2 13:02:10 PDT 2016

Hi Vivian

Thank you for your comments.  

I found this one particularly satisfying." IMHO, photons are responsible for
everything. They are energy and mass, related through E = mc^2 and the
rotating photon structure of matter. They generate the electric and magnetic
fields and are responsible for the special and general relativity
corrections. That is why it is so important to understand the structure of
the photon and what I believed was the purpose of this discussion group."

I have come to the same conclusion regarding the photon and the properties
of space.

Have you considered the form of relativity which is dictated by matter being
made from this light-speed energy, and compared it to SR?  They are very
close in most respects, but not exactly the same.

Thoughts?

Chip

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Hi Chip,

          Regarding your comments, you will see from the book I sent you and
my earlier paper on the proposal of an electron being a photon of the
appropriate energy making two revolutions within its wavelength, it is
essentially the same model as the Williamson and van der Mark. I was unaware
of their work when I wrote my paper and reference and acknowledge it now. In
that paper you will see a derivation for E = mc^2, in which energy is the
photon travelling in a straight line and mass is the same photon making two
revolutions within its wavelength. Experiment is reality. So far I am
unaware of any experiment that separate those three masses, inertial,
gravitational and electromagnetic.

          That same paper shows that the moving particle will subject the
electron to the special relativity corrections of mass, length and time with
velocity.

          You will also see that I suggested the reason a photon could
travel in a circle was because it continually emitted and absorbed "virtual"
photons, giving it the property of electric charge. My use of "virtual" is
different from that used in QED, where they use "virtual" to indicate
photons that are exchanged during electric interactions. For the rest of
this presentation I will call them field photons because they are
responsible for generating the electric field. I did not calculate a value
for the unit electrical charge e because I required an unknown constant. In
that case the constant may well stay as e. The rest mass of an electron,
when it is not affected by an electric or magnetic field, includes the field
photons being emitted and absorbed. When they are influenced by an electric
field they pick up or lose a photon, changing their mass and hence velocity.

          As Richard G pointed out, my calculation for the magnetic field
was in error. It is suggested that the magnetic field can be explained by a
combination of the rotating charge and the residual magnetic field from the
direction of the photon's rotation. 

          Since then, John and Martin have written a paper in which they
indicate there is a mathematical reason for the photon to rotate in a
circle. I believe these effects are not mutually exclusive. 

          As far as i am concerned, the rotating photon structure of all
matter is the reason for the special relativity corrections. As far as
general relativity is concerned, space-time distortion is nothing more than
the effect of gravity upon the mass of a photon m = hnu/c^2. Flat Minkowski
space-time is when a photon is unchanged as it moves through that space.
Curved Minkowski space-time is when gravity changes the direction and/or
frequency of a photon. I have written a little about that in:

http://file.scirp.org/pdf/JMP_2013081410504275.pdf

          IMHO, photons are responsible for everything. They are energy and
mass, related through E = mc^2 and the rotating photon structure of matter.
They generate the electric and magnetic fields and are responsible for the
special and general relativity corrections. That is why it is so important
to understand the structure of the photon and what I believed was the
purpose of this discussion group. 

Cheers,

Vivian Robinson.

PS      A copy of my electron paper, sent for the benefit of new
participants is in the following email.

On 02/06/2016, at 12:09 AM, "Chip Akins" <chipakins at gmail.com
<mailto:chipakins at gmail.com> > wrote:

Dear John Williamson and Martin van der Mark

Your 1997 paper on the electron may have had a much greater influence than
you thought.

The aspect of this which I would like to address is the simple premise that
matter is made from confined light-speed energy.

If this is true then there is only one form of "relativity" which can be
supported.

The consequences of matter being comprised of confined light-speed energy
lead to inescapable conclusions regarding "relativity".

Are there comments from the group?

Chip

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Subject: Re: [General] inertia

Richard, 

without going into the details of your model, you mentioned:

"It may be that vector momentum is just not conserved within fundamental
particles even though it is conserved between two or more particles in their
mutual interactions"

In cellular-automata schemes, such as my
<http://vladimirtamari.com/beautiful_univ_rev_oct_2011.pdf> Beautiful
Universe,  a particle is made up of a pattern of spinning nodes in a matrix.
The same type of spinning nodes also form the surrounding magnetic,
gravitational or electrostatic field etc.  Any changes in the angular
momentum or the axis of spin of the constituent nodes of a particle (or
photon wave) is transmitted as a domino effect adjusting the angular
momentum of surrounding nodes both internally and externally. The domino
effect is diffused unto infinity in inverse-square fashion. Nothing is
hidden or lost or subject to uncertainty, and energy is always conserved. 

In your case by taking the photon and electron in isolation conservation
issues seem to be arising? Hope this helps.

Best wishes

Vladimir

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Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 17:31:33 -0700
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Subject: Re: [General] inertia

Hello all,

  I've been thinking about the unexplained 0.424 Newtons force acting on a
circulating double-looped charged photon to keep it in its trajectory. Any
double-looping-photon electron model should have this force acting on the
circling photon, such John and Martin's model and Chip's model.  The force
doesn't have an obvious source. It continuously changes the direction of the
circling momentum without changing the resting energy of the photon. It may
be that vector momentum is just not conserved within fundamental particles
even though it is conserved between two or more particles in their mutual
interactions. I believe that the Dirac equation solution for a free electron
hints at this internal non-conservation of momentum  also during
zitterbewegung motion of the free electron whose average velocity is v but
whose eigenvalue for speed is c. The position-momentum relations for the
double-looped photon model of the electron, as I recall, are below or just
at the  the exact uncertainty expression of the Heisenberg uncertainty
principle: delta x  times delta p > 1/2   hbar , for position and momentum
of an object in a particular coordinate direction. So it might not be
possible to experimentally determine if linear momentum is conserved or not
within a particle. The indirect evidence that there is such circulating
momentum in a particle is the inertial mass m=Eo/c^2 of the particle as it
is derived from the photon's circulating momentum p=Eo/c . If there is
circling momentum for a single particle, then momentum conservation within
the particle IS being violated. An analogy: just as an electron has spin but
it not experimentally known what inside it is "spinning", an electron has
inertial mass but it is not known what inside the particle is "massing". But
but the spin and the inertial mass are known experimentally. A
double-looping photon model explains both what is "spinning" and what is
"massing" in an electron.

     Richard

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