[General] Proposed photon wave functions
Albrecht Giese
genmail at a-giese.de
Mon Oct 10 12:18:45 PDT 2016
Hello Richard,
you are right that inertia and momentum are related to each other. The
relation is that inertia is the cause of momentum, without inertia in
our world there would be no momentum in our world.
Mathematically spoken: momentum = mass * vector_of_motion. The vector_of
motion is a vector, so the product "momentum" is a vector. An
explanation of momentum needs the explanation of mass as a precondition.
Not the other way around.
Inertial mass can in fact be explained if one accepts that an extended
object necessarily has inertia. And as the electron has to be extended
(in order to have angular momentum and magnetic moment) it has inertial
mass just from this reason. And I like to repeat: the assumption that an
extended object has inertia is not only an idea but can be deduced
quantitatively with precise results without the use of any free
parameters which had to be adjusted.
Albrecht
Am 09.10.2016 um 03:00 schrieb Richard Gauthier:
> Hello Albrecht, Vivian and all,
>
> Albrecht: Of course, if you say that an apple is essentially the same
> as an orange (despite their different properties) then you can also
> say that inertial mass is essentially the same as momentum (despite
> their different properties). But inertial mass is not the same as
> momentum, and apples are not the same as oranges. Inertial mass is a
> scalar quantity and momentum is a vector quantity, which is
> fundamentally different. They also have different physical units. My
> point is that inertial mass is NOT the same as momentum although they
> are related. A linearly moving photon has inertial mass hf/c^2 (while
> having no rest mass) as well as external momentum hf/c. A resting
> electron has inertial mass m= Eo/c^2 while having no (or minimal)
> external momentum. In circulating-photon electron models (which your
> electron model is not), the circulating photon also has inertial mass
> m=Eo/c^2=hf/c^2 of its circulating photon, and this inertial mass m of
> a resting electron is called the rest mass m of the electron, or
> simply the mass m of the electron.
>
> Vivian: I think you are agreeing with Albrecht too quickly. Physicists
> have been trying hard to understand the nature of inertia since Newton
> failed to. Mach tried and failed. Several modern physicists such as
> Einstein, Woodward and Haisch et al have also tried unsuccessfully to
> explain the nature of inertial mass (the fact that the rest energy
> stored in a mass m is Eo=mc^2 is NOT in itself an explanation for
> inertial mass). The Higgs Field (as I understand it) also doesn’t
> explain inertial mass, although it may explain the origin of a
> particle's invariant mass as is claimed. Anyway, I won’t accept any
> explanation from you about particles and inertia as long as you
> continue to insist that the relativistic kinetic energy of a particle
> is KE = pc = gamma mv c (instead of the well-known experimentally
> established formula KE = (gamma - 1) mc^2 ) as you claim on p 13 in
> your article “A proposal for the structure and properties of the
> electron” (attached).
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Vivian Robinson <viv at etpsemra.com.au
>> <mailto:viv at etpsemra.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I agree with Albrecht. For a physical relationship between energy and
>> mass through E + mc^2, you have seen my paper on it. Energy is the
>> photon travelling in a straight line. Mass is the same photon
>> confined in a circle of radius equal to half its wavelength. That
>> relationship is directly E = mc^2 and it explains many other
>> properties associated with mass particles.
>>
>> Mathematics comes in many forms, the same as languages. Not every one
>> is specialised in all forms of mathematics, anymore than everyone is
>> specialises in all languages. Almost all physicists understand
>> physical descriptions. A physical description of the process
>> accompanied by the appropriate mathematics will go a long way towards
>> helping others understanding the message being presented.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Vivian
>>
>>
>> On 07/10/2016, at 7:39 AM, Albrecht Giese <genmail at a-giese.de
>> <mailto:genmail at a-giese.de>> wrote:
>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> you know my objection. Inertial mass and momentum are fundamentally
>>> the same physical phenomenon. Just the result of a different
>>> application. And so it is no real explanation to explain mass by
>>> momentum. Because that means that you explain a physical phenomenon
>>> by the same physical phenomenon.
>>>
>>> Albrecht
>>>
>>> (And you may have a look at www.ag-physics.org/rmass )
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 06.10.2016 um 15:12 schrieb Richard Gauthier:
>>>> John and Vivian and others,
>>>> Yes, inertial mass must be defined by F=ma and F=dp/dt as Newton
>>>> defined it, though he couldn’t explain what causes it. It is caused
>>>> by a particle’s circling internal momentum, as I derive in
>>>> https://www.academia.edu/25641654/A_New_Derivation_of_Eo_mc_2_Explains_a_Particles_Inertia ,
>>>> which is attached.
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Vivian Robinson
>>>>> <viv at universephysics.com <mailto:viv at universephysics.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the advice. I regularly reference Einstein's Ann. der
>>>>> Phys. 17, 639-641 (1905) paper. By mass I have tried to think of
>>>>> it as inertial mass mi, given by F = mi.a. Gravitational mass mg
>>>>> is different by potential energy (PE) divided by c squared (mg =
>>>>> mi - PE/c^2). Rest mass mr is mi measured at velocity = 0 with
>>>>> respect to mi. Relativistic mass mrel is the mass measured at
>>>>> velocity v wrt an observer. Invariant mass doesn't exist because
>>>>> its value depends upon its positionwrt an observer, gravitational
>>>>> field and velocity. In practice all mi, mg and mr will be measured
>>>>> the same within experimental error, essentially making them
>>>>> invariant.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, you are quite correct about aspects of the standard model.
>>>>> There are some very serious problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Viv
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 06/10/2016, at 4:08 AM, John Duffield
>>>>> <johnduffield at btconnect.com <mailto:johnduffield at btconnect.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Viv:
>>>>>> Good stuff. I empathize totally.
>>>>>> Re photons and mass, do make sure you call it/inertial mass/.
>>>>>> And/or protect yourself with a reference toEinstein’s E=mc² paper
>>>>>> <https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/www/>, where the
>>>>>> last line reads thus:
>>>>>> /“If the theory corresponds to the facts, radiation conveys
>>>>>> inertia between the emitting and absorbing bodies”.///
>>>>>> I say this because IMHO the sort of people who bang on about
>>>>>> gluons or the 8^th spatial dimension will use anything cast
>>>>>> aspersions on people like you.
>>>>>> I’ve been doing some major writing recently, and in doing so I’m
>>>>>> getting the feeling that there’s more wrong with standard-model
>>>>>> physics than people appreciate. Much more.
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> JohnD
>>>>>> *From:*General
>>>>>> [mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
>>>>>> <mailto:bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>]*On
>>>>>> Behalf Of*Vivian Robinson
>>>>>> *Sent:*05 October 2016 09:58
>>>>>> *To:*Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
>>>>>> <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
>>>>>> <mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>>
>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [General] Proposed photon wave functions
>>>>>> Rear Richard and others,
>>>>>> I submitted my results to the group in the hope that it would
>>>>>> start debate on my topic. Richard I appreciate that you have
>>>>>> taken time to make a couple of comments. I would like to add a
>>>>>> few points to aid (I hope) further discussion.
>>>>>> First, the so called "standard models" of matter suffer from some
>>>>>> disadvantages, not the least of which is the use of invented
>>>>>> concepts, e.g. quarks, gluons and strings that have never been
>>>>>> separately identified. String theory is one very bad example. It
>>>>>> uses several space dimensions that have never been detected along
>>>>>> with particles too small to be ever detected to make predictions
>>>>>> that don't match observation. However the mathematics is
>>>>>> sufficiently complicated that referees are prepared to accept
>>>>>> that it may have some future. That is another example of
>>>>>> theoreticians being out of touch with reality. I am sure that if
>>>>>> their funding body informed them that their salary has been paid
>>>>>> in full in a combinations of strings in the 8th spatial
>>>>>> dimension, our universe being the three detectable ones and they
>>>>>> can collect it when they find the eighth dimension and unravel
>>>>>> the strings, they would also be the first to complain. Yet they
>>>>>> would have us believe that is the origins of the whole universe,
>>>>>> not just their salary.
>>>>>> Quarks and gluons are another example. They have never been
>>>>>> separately isolated. So Quantum ChromoDynamics (QCD)
>>>>>> theoreticians developed the concept that the gluon "force"
>>>>>> between quarks increases as their separation distance increases.
>>>>>> Unfortunately when "satellite" nucleons orbit a nucleus at a
>>>>>> "significant distance" where quark separations are quite large,
>>>>>> the binding is very weak and the lifetimes of these nuclei are
>>>>>> measures immilli seconds. As some QCD practitioners will attest,
>>>>>> QCD calculations are not good at matching observation so
>>>>>> theoreticians keep changing their model until it does. They have
>>>>>> devised 36 quarks, 2 types, 3 generations of each type. three
>>>>>> "colours for each generation, plus their anti-particles, plus 8
>>>>>> colours or flavours of gluons, a total of 44 undetected
>>>>>> particles, and they still can't get good answers. Again by making
>>>>>> their mathematics complex they avoid scrutiny by non experts.
>>>>>> The point is that "standard model" physics has many examples of
>>>>>> theoreticians using non detected particles or entities and
>>>>>> dimensions, to give unsatisfactory answers to some aspects of
>>>>>> experimental observation. Trying to replace those with a further
>>>>>> set of hypothetical particles, be they rotars, hods, microvita or
>>>>>> faster than light (superluminal) particles does not make their
>>>>>> concept any better than those forwarded by standard model
>>>>>> practitioners. Being able to match a few physical properties by
>>>>>> ascribing specific properties to undetected hypothetical
>>>>>> particles is no advance if all it is doing is matching a few
>>>>>> local properties.
>>>>>> I am forwarding my work as different. It uses known properties of
>>>>>> free space, namely its electric permittivity (ep) and magnetic
>>>>>> permeability (mp). It suggests that these facilitate the passage
>>>>>> of packets of electromagnetic energy called photons, possibly by
>>>>>> being composed of vibrations in ep and mp. John W and I have used
>>>>>> different wording to convey the idea that photons convey mass, as
>>>>>> was proposed by Einstein in 1905. I feel sure a suitable set of
>>>>>> words could be found to describe how those photon oscillations
>>>>>> convey that mass. I have presented four wave equations that
>>>>>> describe the Einstein-de Broglie wave function psi, along with a
>>>>>> physical representation of them.
>>>>>> I describe the angular momentum of photons as being due to the
>>>>>> circular wave motion of the electromagnetic field in circularly
>>>>>> polarised photons. This implies that plane polarised photons will
>>>>>> not have any angular momentum and hence no intrinsic spin. This
>>>>>> is able to be checked experimentally. Its rotating centre of mass
>>>>>> only travels at sqrt 2 x c for a photon composed of a single
>>>>>> wavelength. It is not a super luminal velocity. The centre of
>>>>>> mass is a mathematical point that rotates. It is not a physical
>>>>>> rotation of a mass traveling faster than c. The mass of the
>>>>>> photon is traveling at c in its propagation direction. One might
>>>>>> as well say that the wave motion of the electric field is
>>>>>> superluminal because it follows a sine curve which has a length
>>>>>> longer than the straight line travel of c. That does not mean
>>>>>> that its mass is travelling faster than c and therefore all
>>>>>> photons are superluminal.
>>>>>> Mathematical points traveling at faster than c is not
>>>>>> superluminal travel. There has been an often quoted example of
>>>>>> waving a laser into space. If waved fast enough across the dark
>>>>>> surface of the new moon, it could be possible to observe the
>>>>>> laser point moving across the moon's surface at faster than c.
>>>>>> That is a mathematical point moving faster than c. It is not
>>>>>> superluminal motion.
>>>>>> I submit that making models of hypothetical particles and
>>>>>> ascribing properties to them is not the same as deriving those
>>>>>> properties from fundamental considerations. Others are entitled
>>>>>> to their own views.
>>>>>> FYI, I have been working on this for three decades. I decided not
>>>>>> to publish much of my work, apart from compiling it into some
>>>>>> extended manuscripts, complete with ISBNs, that I made available
>>>>>> to a few selected friends and interested parties. My career
>>>>>> experience was that reviewers and critics have a habit of raising
>>>>>> non relevant objections, bogging authors down and slowing further
>>>>>> progress.
>>>>>> Chandra, is that the kind of paper you would like presented at
>>>>>> your next SPIE conference? It will be more advanced by then.
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Vivian Robinson
>>>>>> On 29/09/2016, at 11:25 PM, Richard Gauthier
>>>>>> <richgauthier at gmail.com <mailto:richgauthier at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Vivian, Chip and others,
>>>>>> The derivations of the radius R=lambda/2pi of my internally
>>>>>> superluminal photon model and the corresponding 45-degree
>>>>>> forward angle of the photon model's internal helical
>>>>>> trajectory are given in Section 5, equations 8 through 17 in
>>>>>> my published 1996 article “Microvita: A new approach to
>>>>>> matter, life and health”, which I attach and which is
>>>>>> available from Springer and at
>>>>>> https://www.academia.edu/28777551/Microvita_A_New_Approach_to_Matter_Life_and_Health.
>>>>>> My internally-double-looping model of the electron is also
>>>>>> presented quantitatively there in Section 6. The electron
>>>>>> model there has evolved into my SPIE relativistic spin-1/2
>>>>>> charged-photon electron model since then. It follows directly
>>>>>> from the photon model's helical angle of 45 degrees that the
>>>>>> internal speed of the photon model is c sqrt(2), which I
>>>>>> state explicitly in my published 2007 article “FTL quantum
>>>>>> models of the photon and the electron”, attached below and
>>>>>> available from STAIF-2007 and at
>>>>>> https://www.academia.edu/4429837/FTL_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>> <Microvita A New Approach to Matter Life and Health.pdf>
>>>>>> <FTL Quantum Models of the Photon and the Electron.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Richard Gauthier
>>>>>> <richgauthier at gmail.com <mailto:richgauthier at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Vivian,
>>>>>> I’ve gone through your new article on the photon and it
>>>>>> looks interesting. I appreciate that your photon model is
>>>>>> now internally superluminal with an internal helical
>>>>>> speed of c sqrt(2) and an effective radius of lambda/2pi.
>>>>>> Your photon model has similarities to Chip’s model of the
>>>>>> photon in this and other respects and I’m surprised that
>>>>>> you didn’t reference his work. I would be interested to
>>>>>> see a comparison between your photon model and Chip’s.
>>>>>> I’d also like to hear Chip’s comments on your photon model.
>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Vivian Robinson
>>>>>> <viv at universephysics.com
>>>>>> <mailto:viv at universephysics.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hodge,
>>>>>> It would still be best if you sent the article. I
>>>>>> (finally) accessed some of your STOE articles but
>>>>>> could not find mse42my.pdf. I am not exactly sure to
>>>>>> what you are referring.
>>>>>> Some aspects of your work have commonality with mine.
>>>>>> I use detectable photons as the basis of everything,
>>>>>> you use hods. We are both trying to show that
>>>>>> everything follows from that one particle. I prefer
>>>>>> my approach because photons are detectable and have
>>>>>> properties to which my work must comply. The wave
>>>>>> functions in my article are their restriction. Like
>>>>>> you I prefer Newtonian mechanics to relativity and
>>>>>> quantum mechanics. There are many observations that
>>>>>> confirm relativity and quantum mechanics that don't
>>>>>> match Newtonian mechanics. My work must match those
>>>>>> observations.
>>>>>> I have found that the toroidal (John W and Martin
>>>>>> vdM) or rotating photon (Viv R) model of an electron
>>>>>> is one in which an electron consists of a photon of
>>>>>> the appropriate energy (≈ 0.511 MeV at rest) makes
>>>>>> two revolutions in one wavelength. It is this that
>>>>>> gives the electron spin (angular momentum) of half
>>>>>> hbar. The E - mc^2 relationship between mass and
>>>>>> energy is mass is the photon rotating twice within
>>>>>> its wavelength. Unlock its angular momentum gives it
>>>>>> energy E = mc^2. As the particle moves its structure
>>>>>> means that it is automatically subject to the special
>>>>>> relativity corrections of mass, length and time. I
>>>>>> make mention of other properties, although as Richard
>>>>>> G pointed out, my derivation of the magnetic moment
>>>>>> of the electron was in error in that paper. I have
>>>>>> now corrected that.
>>>>>> I suggest that all other particles, stable or
>>>>>> otherwise, are composed of appropriate rotating
>>>>>> photons and have derived the structure and properties
>>>>>> of many of them based upon that model. If this is the
>>>>>> structure of all matter, the special relativity
>>>>>> corrections are due to the rotating photon being
>>>>>> "stretched" as it moves. They are not some
>>>>>> mathematically imposed restriction.
>>>>>> You will find that when you apply Newtonian mechanics
>>>>>> to a photon with those waveforms and mass, you get
>>>>>> Einstein's general theory of relativity for space
>>>>>> outside matter, ie, gravity as we know it. The
>>>>>> exception is that there is no singularity at the
>>>>>> Schwarzschild radius and therefore no black holes.
>>>>>> That doesn't prevent the existence of massive
>>>>>> objects, which is all astronomers are detecting. It
>>>>>> is the theoretical physicists who call them black
>>>>>> holes. Astronomical measurements are still thousands
>>>>>> of times less accurate than required to distinguish
>>>>>> between my metric and the Schwarzschild metric. I am
>>>>>> confident that when they do improve, my metric, with
>>>>>> the gravitational singularity at the centre of mass
>>>>>> and not at the Schwarzschild radius, will hold.
>>>>>> You will then recognise that gravity is not inverse
>>>>>> square law. If you studied Newton's Principia you
>>>>>> will see that he also worked out what would happen if
>>>>>> gravity was stronger or weaker than inverse square
>>>>>> law. His observations showed that the planets were
>>>>>> following the trajectories predicted by the inverse
>>>>>> square law calculations, leading to the conclusion
>>>>>> that gravity is controlled by inverse square.
>>>>>> However, not all observations follow the inverse
>>>>>> square law. Conclusion - gravity is not inverse square.
>>>>>> The only reason the Big Bang theory was accepted was
>>>>>> because early calculations showed that, if gravity
>>>>>> was inverse square law, an infinite static universe
>>>>>> would collapse in on itself through gravitational
>>>>>> attraction. That clearly hasn't happened. Einstein
>>>>>> tried to overcome it with his cosmological constant.
>>>>>> His field equations only allowed for an expanding or
>>>>>> collapsing universe. Since forwarding the Big Bang
>>>>>> theory, they have done everything to match a new
>>>>>> observation into that theory, ignoring the other
>>>>>> possibility. If gravity isn't inverse square, other
>>>>>> possibilities exist.
>>>>>> Again, using Newtonian mechanics to the structure of
>>>>>> the photon I propose, shows that gravity is either
>>>>>> inverse square law or stronger for space outside
>>>>>> matter: Or inverse square law or weaker for space
>>>>>> inside matter, something that applies to the
>>>>>> structure of the universe as a whole. If you have a
>>>>>> universe in which gravity is weaker than the inverse
>>>>>> square law by an amount predicted from my photon's
>>>>>> wave function, then an infinite static universe will
>>>>>> not collapse under gravitational influence. Photons
>>>>>> from distant galaxies will still be redshifted, as
>>>>>> observed. Things like gravitational lensing still
>>>>>> occur, although I am not convinced that everything
>>>>>> forwarded as gravitational lensing is actually
>>>>>> gravitational lensing.
>>>>>> Forget the Big Bang theory. Therefore no inflation
>>>>>> (straight after the Big Bang). Dark matter is
>>>>>> required to explain the more rapid rotation of
>>>>>> galaxies. Based upon other aspects of inverse square
>>>>>> law, galaxies and even clusters of galaxies would be
>>>>>> expected to rotate about their centre of mass much
>>>>>> faster than is determined from gravity alone. The
>>>>>> detected components in galaxies will cause them to
>>>>>> rotate significantly faster than predicted from
>>>>>> either Newtonian or Relativistic gravity. That
>>>>>> statement can be justified by experimental evidence
>>>>>> (courtesy of Uncle Sam whose work is much appreciated
>>>>>> at least by this author) beyond the mere detection of
>>>>>> more rapidly rotating galaxies. Forget about dark matter.
>>>>>> As for dark energy, it is based upon the observation
>>>>>> of apparently anomalous type 1a supernovae (SNe1a)
>>>>>> intensities. In order to match the observed SNe1a
>>>>>> intensities to my work I need our galaxy to be in a
>>>>>> region of space with a density of about 10^-24
>>>>>> kg/m^3. This is about 1,000 times the density
>>>>>> required under the Big Bang theory for the universe
>>>>>> to exist in its current form some 23.8 billion years
>>>>>> after the Big Bang. But there are many problems with
>>>>>> that figure.
>>>>>> The odds of the universe having this structure 13.8
>>>>>> billion years after the Big Bang are about 1 : 10^60.
>>>>>> (I doubt that any Big Bang proponent would risk
>>>>>> his/her money when she/he had only 1 : 1000 chance of
>>>>>> winning. If they are, I am prepared to wager against
>>>>>> as many as are prepared to show their faith in low
>>>>>> odds.) Yet they expect us to believe the whole
>>>>>> universe exists because of 1 : 10^60 odds and we are
>>>>>> the one universe in over 10^60 other universes in the
>>>>>> multiverse. Talk about having lost touch with
>>>>>> reality. Another feature is that a "quick" (i.e.,
>>>>>> long and involved) calculation will show that the
>>>>>> density of the visible universe is higher than ≈
>>>>>> 10^-27 kg/m^3. Thirdly, for an expanding universe in
>>>>>> which there is only light from up to 13.8 billion
>>>>>> light years distance, there are far too many stars
>>>>>> visible in the Hubble Extreme field images (again,
>>>>>> thanks Uncle Sam). I am sure some of you can think of
>>>>>> other observations as well.
>>>>>> Going back to dark energy. In order to match the
>>>>>> observed SNe1a intensities, my model requires a local
>>>>>> (< 10^8 LYs radius) density of just over 1 x 10^-24
>>>>>> kg/m^3, dropping down to a background average of ≈ 8
>>>>>> x 10^-26 kg/m^3. Or another effect I haven't yet
>>>>>> included. Both of these figures are much higher than
>>>>>> the "official" (i.e. matches their theory) value of ≈
>>>>>> 10^-27 kg/m^3. A brief look at the stars in our local
>>>>>> region, ≈ 10^6 LYs radius, gives the number of sun
>>>>>> mass stars, ≈ 200 x 10^9 for Milky Way, ≈ 300 x 10^9
>>>>>> Andromeda, and others, gives a star mass density
>>>>>> approaching 10^-25 kg/m^3. Here is where astronomers
>>>>>> are a little vague. The mass of galaxies is usually
>>>>>> quoted in terms of number of stars of the same mass
>>>>>> as our sun (luminous matter). They also add to that
>>>>>> figure, the observation that the average galaxy has
>>>>>> about ten times as much matter in a gas and dust
>>>>>> cloud surrounding the galaxy (non luminous matter) as
>>>>>> there is luminous matter. Adding the mass of the non
>>>>>> luminous matter to the mass of the luminous matter,
>>>>>> if it isn't already included, gets me close to 10^-24
>>>>>> kg/m^3. I admit I am not quite there. I am not out by
>>>>>> as much as a factor of 24 times the observed mass of
>>>>>> the universe and that is without dark matter to make
>>>>>> the galaxies rotate faster than they should under
>>>>>> gravity alone.
>>>>>> There are many other problems associated with the Big
>>>>>> Bang theory. Just think about the additional mass a
>>>>>> galaxy must have to a receding velocity that gives a
>>>>>> redshift of 10. Perhaps you know a few more of them.
>>>>>> In summary, I believe the photon model just forwarded
>>>>>> can be used with the rotating photon or toroidal
>>>>>> electromagnetic field structure of matter
>>>>>> and Newtonian mechanics give a continuity between
>>>>>> quantum "weirdness" and special and general
>>>>>> relativity. Much of what is called quantum
>>>>>> "weirdness" can be explained by the structures of the
>>>>>> photon and the particles composed of rotating or
>>>>>> toroidal photons. Yes they need refinement, but we
>>>>>> have to start somewhere. As I said, the object of my
>>>>>> communication was to have a general discussion on the
>>>>>> nature of light and particles.
>>>>>> I append my paper on the electron structure FYI.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Vivian Robinson
>>>>>> <Proposed electron structure.pdf>
>>>>>> On 23/09/2016, at 1:08 AM, Hodge John
>>>>>> <jchodge at frontier.com <mailto:jchodge at frontier.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
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