[General] Proposed photon wave functions
Albrecht Giese
genmail at a-giese.de
Wed Oct 12 12:08:46 PDT 2016
Hello Richard,
that are correct equations which you have listed here for Newton's
description of mass and its rules. But that does not answer the question
what the physical mechanism is, which causes inertia.
You may compare the situation with Galileo's law of free fall. His law
was correct, even today it is accepted. But also this law does not give
us any information of why an object falls down in a gravitational field.
That is a similar situation like Newton's law of motion. We are asking
for the next step.
As an explanation for the mechanism of inertia I know two theories. One
is the Higgs model, which is believed by main stream but delivers
numerical results which are wrong by many orders of magnitude. The other
one is the mechanism which I have proposed. It is not accepted by main
stream (but by many colleagues outside main stream) and it delivers
precise results. In this model the mass depends on the radius (only),
and in practise the radius can be determined classically by the magnetic
moment if there is electrical charge.
You are saying that the mass is independent of the radius. Here please
look at the Bohr magneton. It says (for the electron)
Magnetic moment = (e/m) * h(bar)/2. If this magnetic moment is
classically calculated on the assumption that an elementary charge e is
orbiting with speed c (which is necessary for dilation), then the
magnetic moment depends linearly on the radius. So, m must be inversely
proportional to the radius; which is exactly what my model of mass says.
Albrecht
Am 12.10.2016 um 05:37 schrieb Richard Gauthier:
> Hello John, Allbrecht and all,
>
> As you know, I have a different approach to a massive particle's
> inertial mass. Normal photons don’t have a rest mass but they do have
> an inertial mass hf/c^2 as I think Martin at least would agree based
> on “Light is Heavy”. When a photon model (whether an uncharged
> photon-like object with spin 1 or a charged photon with spin 1/2)
> curls up to form an electron model, the photon model still has
> inertial mass = hf/c^2 which for the electron model is hf/c^2 = Eo/c^2
> = mc^2/(c^2) = m. The inertial mass m of a resting electron is
> conventionally just called the mass m of the electron.
>
> The electron model's inertial mass m is also derived from Newton’s
> 2nd law applied internally to the electron model: F= dp/dt = ma
> where “m” is the circling photon-like-object’s inertial mass, “a" is
> the circling photon-like-object's centripetal acceleration a = c^2/ R=
> w^2 R where R is the radius of the photon-like-object’s circular
> loop, and F=dp/dt is the time rate of change of the
> photon-like-object's circulating momentum hf/c = Eo/c = mc^2 /c = mc.
> Here, dp/dt = pw = mcw (where w is the angular velocity omega of the
> circulating photon-like object).
>
> Solving this Newton’s 2nd law equation gives the circling
> photon-like-object's inertial mass m = (dp/dt)/a = (mcw) /( w^2 R) =
> mc/(w R) =(mc)/c = m which, as above, is the inertial mass of the
> circulating photon-like object and therefore it is the inertial mass
> of the particle with mass being modeled (in this case the electron
> model composed of the circling photon-like-object.) This derived
> inertial mass m of the circling-photon-like-object electron model is
> independent of the radius R of the circular loop and independent of
> whether the loop is a single or double loop.
>
> Richard
>
>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Albrecht Giese <genmail at a-giese.de
>> <mailto:genmail at a-giese.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear John,
>>
>> this can be answered, and it is not too difficult. Look:
>>
>> Photons do not have a rest mass, true. But they are never at rest.
>> The fact that they have no rest mass is an extrapolation from real
>> existing photons which have some energy (and so mass) to (only
>> theoretically assumed) photons without energy.
>>
>> And if the photon would be at rest (and so have m = 0) then it would
>> not transfer any momentum. Not so surprising!
>>
>> It is also simple to show that the angular momentum (spin) is a
>> constant independent from the actual energy of the photon. That can
>> be classically deduced. Also this fact is not in conflict with my
>> statement. Do you want to see it calculated?
>>
>> Regards, Albrecht
>>
>>
>> Am 11.10.2016 um 05:50 schrieb John Williamson:
>>> Dear Albrecht,
>>>
>>> With the greatest respect, this view is far too simple and you are
>>> simply wrong.
>>>
>>> Proof: photons are (rest) massless and yet they transfer momentum.
>>>
>>> Regards, John.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:*General
>>> [general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
>>> on behalf of Albrecht Giese [genmail at a-giese.de]
>>> *Sent:*Monday, October 10, 2016 8:18 PM
>>> *To:*Richard Gauthier; Nature of Light and Particles - General
>>> Discussion
>>> *Subject:*Re: [General] Proposed photon wave functions
>>>
>>> Hello Richard,
>>> you are right that inertia and momentum are related to each other.
>>> The relation is that inertia is the cause of momentum, without
>>> inertia in our world there would be no momentum in our world.
>>> Mathematically spoken: momentum = mass * vector_of_motion. The
>>> vector_of motion is a vector, so the product "momentum" is a vector.
>>> An explanation of momentum needs the explanation of mass as a
>>> precondition. Not the other way around.
>>> Inertial mass can in fact be explained if one accepts that an
>>> extended object necessarily has inertia. And as the electron has to
>>> be extended (in order to have angular momentum and magnetic moment)
>>> it has inertial mass just from this reason. And I like to repeat:
>>> the assumption that an extended object has inertia is not only an
>>> idea but can be deduced quantitatively with precise results without
>>> the use of any free parameters which had to be adjusted.
>>>
>>> Albrecht
>>>
>>> Am 09.10.2016 um 03:00 schrieb Richard Gauthier:
>>>> Hello Albrecht, Vivian and all,
>>>>
>>>> Albrecht: Of course, if you say that an apple is essentially the
>>>> same as an orange (despite their different properties) then you can
>>>> also say that inertial mass is essentially the same as momentum
>>>> (despite their different properties). But inertial mass is not the
>>>> same as momentum, and apples are not the same as oranges. Inertial
>>>> mass is a scalar quantity and momentum is a vector quantity, which
>>>> is fundamentally different. They also have different physical
>>>> units. My point is that inertial mass is NOT the same as momentum
>>>> although they are related. A linearly moving photon has inertial
>>>> mass hf/c^2 (while having no rest mass) as well as external
>>>> momentum hf/c. A resting electron has inertial mass m= Eo/c^2 while
>>>> having no (or minimal) external momentum. In circulating-photon
>>>> electron models (which your electron model is not), the circulating
>>>> photon also has inertial mass m=Eo/c^2=hf/c^2 of its circulating
>>>> photon, and this inertial mass m of a resting electron is called
>>>> the rest mass m of the electron, or simply the mass m of the electron.
>>>>
>>>> Vivian: I think you are agreeing with Albrecht too quickly.
>>>> Physicists have been trying hard to understand the nature of
>>>> inertia since Newton failed to. Mach tried and failed. Several
>>>> modern physicists such as Einstein, Woodward and Haisch et al have
>>>> also tried unsuccessfully to explain the nature of inertial mass
>>>> (the fact that the rest energy stored in a mass m is Eo=mc^2 is NOT
>>>> in itself an explanation for inertial mass). The Higgs Field (as I
>>>> understand it) also doesn’t explain inertial mass, although it may
>>>> explain the origin of a particle's invariant mass as is claimed.
>>>> Anyway, I won’t accept any explanation from you about particles and
>>>> inertia as long as you continue to insist that the relativistic
>>>> kinetic energy of a particle is KE = pc = gamma mv c (instead of
>>>> the well-known experimentally established formula KE = (gamma - 1)
>>>> mc^2 ) as you claim on p 13 in your article “A proposal for the
>>>> structure and properties of the electron” (attached).
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 6, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Vivian Robinson <viv at etpsemra.com.au
>>>>> <mailto:viv at etpsemra.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard,
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Albrecht. For a physical relationship between energy
>>>>> and mass through E + mc^2, you have seen my paper on it. Energy is
>>>>> the photon travelling in a straight line. Mass is the same photon
>>>>> confined in a circle of radius equal to half its wavelength. That
>>>>> relationship is directly E = mc^2 and it explains many other
>>>>> properties associated with mass particles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mathematics comes in many forms, the same as languages. Not every
>>>>> one is specialised in all forms of mathematics, anymore than
>>>>> everyone is specialises in all languages. Almost all physicists
>>>>> understand physical descriptions. A physical description of the
>>>>> process accompanied by the appropriate mathematics will go a long
>>>>> way towards helping others understanding the message being presented.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Vivian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/10/2016, at 7:39 AM, Albrecht Giese <genmail at a-giese.de
>>>>> <mailto:genmail at a-giese.de>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard,
>>>>>> you know my objection. Inertial mass and momentum are
>>>>>> fundamentally the same physical phenomenon. Just the result of a
>>>>>> different application. And so it is no real explanation to
>>>>>> explain mass by momentum. Because that means that you explain a
>>>>>> physical phenomenon by the same physical phenomenon.
>>>>>> Albrecht
>>>>>> (And you may have a look atwww.ag-physics.org/rmass)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 06.10.2016 um 15:12 schrieb Richard Gauthier:
>>>>>>> John and Vivian and others,
>>>>>>> Yes, inertial mass must be defined by F=ma and F=dp/dt as
>>>>>>> Newton defined it, though he couldn’t explain what causes it. It
>>>>>>> is caused by a particle’s circling internal momentum, as I
>>>>>>> derive in
>>>>>>> https://www.academia.edu/25641654/A_New_Derivation_of_Eo_mc_2_Explains_a_Particles_Inertia ,
>>>>>>> which is attached.
>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Vivian Robinson
>>>>>>>> <viv at universephysics.com <mailto:viv at universephysics.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the advice. I regularly reference Einstein's Ann.
>>>>>>>> der Phys. 17, 639-641 (1905) paper. By mass I have tried to
>>>>>>>> think of it as inertial mass mi, given by F = mi.a.
>>>>>>>> Gravitational mass mgis different by potential energy (PE)
>>>>>>>> divided by c squared (mg= mi- PE/c^2). Rest mass mris
>>>>>>>> mimeasured at velocity = 0 with respect to mi. Relativistic
>>>>>>>> mass mrel is the mass measured at velocity v wrt an observer.
>>>>>>>> Invariant mass doesn't exist because its value depends upon its
>>>>>>>> positionwrt an observer, gravitational field and velocity. In
>>>>>>>> practice all mi, mgand mrwill be measured the same within
>>>>>>>> experimental error, essentially making them invariant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMHO, you are quite correct about aspects of the standard
>>>>>>>> model. There are some very serious problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Viv
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06/10/2016, at 4:08 AM, John Duffield
>>>>>>>> <johnduffield at btconnect.com
>>>>>>>> <mailto:johnduffield at btconnect.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Viv:
>>>>>>>>> Good stuff. I empathize totally.
>>>>>>>>> Re photons and mass, do make sure you call it/inertial mass/.
>>>>>>>>> And/or protect yourself with a reference toEinstein’s E=mc²
>>>>>>>>> paper <https://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/www/>,
>>>>>>>>> where the last line reads thus:
>>>>>>>>> /“If the theory corresponds to the facts, radiation conveys
>>>>>>>>> inertia between the emitting and absorbing bodies”.///
>>>>>>>>> I say this because IMHO the sort of people who bang on about
>>>>>>>>> gluons or the 8^th spatial dimension will use anything cast
>>>>>>>>> aspersions on people like you.
>>>>>>>>> I’ve been doing some major writing recently, and in doing so
>>>>>>>>> I’m getting the feeling that there’s more wrong with
>>>>>>>>> standard-model physics than people appreciate. Much more.
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> JohnD
>>>>>>>>> *From:*General
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:general-bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bounces+johnduffield=btconnect.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>]*On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of*Vivian Robinson
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*05 October 2016 09:58
>>>>>>>>> *To:*Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
>>>>>>>>> <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>>
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [General] Proposed photon wave functions
>>>>>>>>> Rear Richard and others,
>>>>>>>>> I submitted my results to the group in the hope that it would
>>>>>>>>> start debate on my topic. Richard I appreciate that you have
>>>>>>>>> taken time to make a couple of comments. I would like to add a
>>>>>>>>> few points to aid (I hope) further discussion.
>>>>>>>>> First, the so called "standard models" of matter suffer from
>>>>>>>>> some disadvantages, not the least of which is the use of
>>>>>>>>> invented concepts, e.g. quarks, gluons and strings that have
>>>>>>>>> never been separately identified. String theory is one very
>>>>>>>>> bad example. It uses several space dimensions that have never
>>>>>>>>> been detected along with particles too small to be ever
>>>>>>>>> detected to make predictions that don't match observation.
>>>>>>>>> However the mathematics is sufficiently complicated that
>>>>>>>>> referees are prepared to accept that it may have some future.
>>>>>>>>> That is another example of theoreticians being out of touch
>>>>>>>>> with reality. I am sure that if their funding body informed
>>>>>>>>> them that their salary has been paid in full in a
>>>>>>>>> combinations of strings in the 8th spatial dimension, our
>>>>>>>>> universe being the three detectable ones and they can collect
>>>>>>>>> it when they find the eighth dimension and unravel the
>>>>>>>>> strings, they would also be the first to complain. Yet they
>>>>>>>>> would have us believe that is the origins of the whole
>>>>>>>>> universe, not just their salary.
>>>>>>>>> Quarks and gluons are another example. They have never been
>>>>>>>>> separately isolated. So Quantum ChromoDynamics (QCD)
>>>>>>>>> theoreticians developed the concept that the gluon "force"
>>>>>>>>> between quarks increases as their separation distance
>>>>>>>>> increases. Unfortunately when "satellite" nucleons orbit a
>>>>>>>>> nucleus at a "significant distance" where quark separations
>>>>>>>>> are quite large, the binding is very weak and the lifetimes of
>>>>>>>>> these nuclei are measures immilli seconds. As some QCD
>>>>>>>>> practitioners will attest, QCD calculations are not good at
>>>>>>>>> matching observation so theoreticians keep changing their
>>>>>>>>> model until it does. They have devised 36 quarks, 2 types, 3
>>>>>>>>> generations of each type. three "colours for each generation,
>>>>>>>>> plus their anti-particles, plus 8 colours or flavours of
>>>>>>>>> gluons, a total of 44 undetected particles, and they still
>>>>>>>>> can't get good answers. Again by making their mathematics
>>>>>>>>> complex they avoid scrutiny by non experts.
>>>>>>>>> The point is that "standard model" physics has many examples
>>>>>>>>> of theoreticians using non detected particles or entities and
>>>>>>>>> dimensions, to give unsatisfactory answers to some aspects of
>>>>>>>>> experimental observation. Trying to replace those with a
>>>>>>>>> further set of hypothetical particles, be they rotars, hods,
>>>>>>>>> microvita or faster than light (superluminal) particles does
>>>>>>>>> not make their concept any better than those forwarded by
>>>>>>>>> standard model practitioners. Being able to match a few
>>>>>>>>> physical properties by ascribing specific properties to
>>>>>>>>> undetected hypothetical particles is no advance if all it is
>>>>>>>>> doing is matching a few local properties.
>>>>>>>>> I am forwarding my work as different. It uses known properties
>>>>>>>>> of free space, namely its electric permittivity (ep) and
>>>>>>>>> magnetic permeability (mp). It suggests that these facilitate
>>>>>>>>> the passage of packets of electromagnetic energy called
>>>>>>>>> photons, possibly by being composed of vibrations in ep and
>>>>>>>>> mp. John W and I have used different wording to convey the
>>>>>>>>> idea that photons convey mass, as was proposed by Einstein in
>>>>>>>>> 1905. I feel sure a suitable set of words could be found to
>>>>>>>>> describe how those photon oscillations convey that mass. I
>>>>>>>>> have presented four wave equations that describe the
>>>>>>>>> Einstein-de Broglie wave function psi, along with a physical
>>>>>>>>> representation of them.
>>>>>>>>> I describe the angular momentum of photons as being due to the
>>>>>>>>> circular wave motion of the electromagnetic field in
>>>>>>>>> circularly polarised photons. This implies that plane
>>>>>>>>> polarised photons will not have any angular momentum and hence
>>>>>>>>> no intrinsic spin. This is able to be checked experimentally.
>>>>>>>>> Its rotating centre of mass only travels at sqrt 2 x c for a
>>>>>>>>> photon composed of a single wavelength. It is not a super
>>>>>>>>> luminal velocity. The centre of mass is a mathematical point
>>>>>>>>> that rotates. It is not a physical rotation of a mass
>>>>>>>>> traveling faster than c. The mass of the photon is traveling
>>>>>>>>> at c in its propagation direction. One might as well say that
>>>>>>>>> the wave motion of the electric field is superluminal because
>>>>>>>>> it follows a sine curve which has a length longer than the
>>>>>>>>> straight line travel of c. That does not mean that its mass is
>>>>>>>>> travelling faster than c and therefore all photons are
>>>>>>>>> superluminal.
>>>>>>>>> Mathematical points traveling at faster than c is not
>>>>>>>>> superluminal travel. There has been an often quoted example of
>>>>>>>>> waving a laser into space. If waved fast enough across the
>>>>>>>>> dark surface of the new moon, it could be possible to observe
>>>>>>>>> the laser point moving across the moon's surface at faster
>>>>>>>>> than c. That is a mathematical point moving faster than c. It
>>>>>>>>> is not superluminal motion.
>>>>>>>>> I submit that making models of hypothetical particles and
>>>>>>>>> ascribing properties to them is not the same as deriving those
>>>>>>>>> properties from fundamental considerations. Others are
>>>>>>>>> entitled to their own views.
>>>>>>>>> FYI, I have been working on this for three decades. I decided
>>>>>>>>> not to publish much of my work, apart from compiling it into
>>>>>>>>> some extended manuscripts, complete with ISBNs, that I made
>>>>>>>>> available to a few selected friends and interested parties. My
>>>>>>>>> career experience was that reviewers and critics have a habit
>>>>>>>>> of raising non relevant objections, bogging authors down and
>>>>>>>>> slowing further progress.
>>>>>>>>> Chandra, is that the kind of paper you would like presented at
>>>>>>>>> your next SPIE conference? It will be more advanced by then.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Vivian Robinson
>>>>>>>>> On 29/09/2016, at 11:25 PM, Richard Gauthier
>>>>>>>>> <richgauthier at gmail.com <mailto:richgauthier at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Vivian, Chip and others,
>>>>>>>>> The derivations of the radius R=lambda/2pi of my
>>>>>>>>> internally superluminal photon model and the corresponding
>>>>>>>>> 45-degree forward angle of the photon model's internal
>>>>>>>>> helical trajectory are given in Section 5, equations 8
>>>>>>>>> through 17 in my published 1996 article “Microvita: A new
>>>>>>>>> approach to matter, life and health”, which I attach and
>>>>>>>>> which is available from Springer and at
>>>>>>>>> https://www.academia.edu/28777551/Microvita_A_New_Approach_to_Matter_Life_and_Health.
>>>>>>>>> My internally-double-looping model of the electron is also
>>>>>>>>> presented quantitatively there in Section 6. The electron
>>>>>>>>> model there has evolved into my SPIE relativistic spin-1/2
>>>>>>>>> charged-photon electron model since then. It follows
>>>>>>>>> directly from the photon model's helical angle of 45
>>>>>>>>> degrees that the internal speed of the photon model is c
>>>>>>>>> sqrt(2), which I state explicitly in my published 2007
>>>>>>>>> article “FTL quantum models of the photon and the
>>>>>>>>> electron”, attached below and available from STAIF-2007
>>>>>>>>> and at
>>>>>>>>> https://www.academia.edu/4429837/FTL_Quantum_Models_of_the_Photon_and_the_Electron .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>>> <Microvita A New Approach to Matter Life and Health.pdf>
>>>>>>>>> <FTL Quantum Models of the Photon and the Electron.pdf>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2016, at 8:34 AM, Richard Gauthier
>>>>>>>>> <richgauthier at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:richgauthier at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello Vivian,
>>>>>>>>> I’ve gone through your new article on the photon and
>>>>>>>>> it looks interesting. I appreciate that your photon
>>>>>>>>> model is now internally superluminal with an internal
>>>>>>>>> helical speed of c sqrt(2) and an effective radius of
>>>>>>>>> lambda/2pi. Your photon model has similarities to
>>>>>>>>> Chip’s model of the photon in this and other respects
>>>>>>>>> and I’m surprised that you didn’t reference his work.
>>>>>>>>> I would be interested to see a comparison between your
>>>>>>>>> photon model and Chip’s. I’d also like to hear Chip’s
>>>>>>>>> comments on your photon model.
>>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Vivian Robinson
>>>>>>>>> <viv at universephysics.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:viv at universephysics.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hodge,
>>>>>>>>> It would still be best if you sent the article. I
>>>>>>>>> (finally) accessed some of your STOE articles but
>>>>>>>>> could not find mse42my.pdf. I am not exactly sure
>>>>>>>>> to what you are referring.
>>>>>>>>> Some aspects of your work have commonality with
>>>>>>>>> mine. I use detectable photons as the basis of
>>>>>>>>> everything, you use hods. We are both trying to
>>>>>>>>> show that everything follows from that one
>>>>>>>>> particle. I prefer my approach because photons are
>>>>>>>>> detectable and have properties to which my work
>>>>>>>>> must comply. The wave functions in my article are
>>>>>>>>> their restriction. Like you I prefer Newtonian
>>>>>>>>> mechanics to relativity and quantum mechanics.
>>>>>>>>> There are many observations that confirm
>>>>>>>>> relativity and quantum mechanics that don't match
>>>>>>>>> Newtonian mechanics. My work must match those
>>>>>>>>> observations.
>>>>>>>>> I have found that the toroidal (John W and Martin
>>>>>>>>> vdM) or rotating photon (Viv R) model of an
>>>>>>>>> electron is one in which an electron consists of
>>>>>>>>> a photon of the appropriate energy (≈ 0.511 MeV at
>>>>>>>>> rest) makes two revolutions in one wavelength. It
>>>>>>>>> is this that gives the electron spin (angular
>>>>>>>>> momentum) of half hbar. The E - mc^2 relationship
>>>>>>>>> between mass and energy is mass is the photon
>>>>>>>>> rotating twice within its wavelength. Unlock its
>>>>>>>>> angular momentum gives it energy E = mc^2. As the
>>>>>>>>> particle moves its structure means that it is
>>>>>>>>> automatically subject to the special relativity
>>>>>>>>> corrections of mass, length and time. I make
>>>>>>>>> mention of other properties, although as Richard G
>>>>>>>>> pointed out, my derivation of the magnetic moment
>>>>>>>>> of the electron was in error in that paper. I have
>>>>>>>>> now corrected that.
>>>>>>>>> I suggest that all other particles, stable or
>>>>>>>>> otherwise, are composed of appropriate rotating
>>>>>>>>> photons and have derived the structure and
>>>>>>>>> properties of many of them based upon that model.
>>>>>>>>> If this is the structure of all matter,
>>>>>>>>> the special relativity corrections are due to the
>>>>>>>>> rotating photon being "stretched" as it moves.
>>>>>>>>> They are not some mathematically imposed restriction.
>>>>>>>>> You will find that when you apply Newtonian
>>>>>>>>> mechanics to a photon with those waveforms and
>>>>>>>>> mass, you get Einstein's general theory of
>>>>>>>>> relativity for space outside matter, ie, gravity
>>>>>>>>> as we know it. The exception is that there is no
>>>>>>>>> singularity at the Schwarzschild radius and
>>>>>>>>> therefore no black holes. That doesn't prevent the
>>>>>>>>> existence of massive objects, which is all
>>>>>>>>> astronomers are detecting. It is the theoretical
>>>>>>>>> physicists who call them black holes. Astronomical
>>>>>>>>> measurements are still thousands of times less
>>>>>>>>> accurate than required to distinguish between my
>>>>>>>>> metric and the Schwarzschild metric. I am
>>>>>>>>> confident that when they do improve, my metric,
>>>>>>>>> with the gravitational singularity at the centre
>>>>>>>>> of mass and not at the Schwarzschild radius, will
>>>>>>>>> hold.
>>>>>>>>> You will then recognise that gravity is not
>>>>>>>>> inverse square law. If you studied Newton's
>>>>>>>>> Principia you will see that he also worked out
>>>>>>>>> what would happen if gravity was stronger or
>>>>>>>>> weaker than inverse square law. His observations
>>>>>>>>> showed that the planets were following the
>>>>>>>>> trajectories predicted by the inverse square law
>>>>>>>>> calculations, leading to the conclusion that
>>>>>>>>> gravity is controlled by inverse square. However,
>>>>>>>>> not all observations follow the inverse square
>>>>>>>>> law. Conclusion - gravity is not inverse square.
>>>>>>>>> The only reason the Big Bang theory was accepted
>>>>>>>>> was because early calculations showed that, if
>>>>>>>>> gravity was inverse square law, an infinite static
>>>>>>>>> universe would collapse in on itself through
>>>>>>>>> gravitational attraction. That clearly hasn't
>>>>>>>>> happened. Einstein tried to overcome it with his
>>>>>>>>> cosmological constant. His field equations only
>>>>>>>>> allowed for an expanding or collapsing universe.
>>>>>>>>> Since forwarding the Big Bang theory, they have
>>>>>>>>> done everything to match a new observation into
>>>>>>>>> that theory, ignoring the other possibility. If
>>>>>>>>> gravity isn't inverse square, other possibilities
>>>>>>>>> exist.
>>>>>>>>> Again, using Newtonian mechanics to the structure
>>>>>>>>> of the photon I propose, shows that gravity is
>>>>>>>>> either inverse square law or stronger for space
>>>>>>>>> outside matter: Or inverse square law or weaker
>>>>>>>>> for space inside matter, something that applies to
>>>>>>>>> the structure of the universe as a whole. If you
>>>>>>>>> have a universe in which gravity is weaker than
>>>>>>>>> the inverse square law by an amount predicted from
>>>>>>>>> my photon's wave function, then an infinite static
>>>>>>>>> universe will not collapse under gravitational
>>>>>>>>> influence. Photons from distant galaxies will
>>>>>>>>> still be redshifted, as observed. Things like
>>>>>>>>> gravitational lensing still occur, although I am
>>>>>>>>> not convinced that everything forwarded as
>>>>>>>>> gravitational lensing is actually gravitational
>>>>>>>>> lensing.
>>>>>>>>> Forget the Big Bang theory. Therefore no inflation
>>>>>>>>> (straight after the Big Bang). Dark matter is
>>>>>>>>> required to explain the more rapid rotation of
>>>>>>>>> galaxies. Based upon other aspects of inverse
>>>>>>>>> square law, galaxies and even clusters of galaxies
>>>>>>>>> would be expected to rotate about their centre of
>>>>>>>>> mass much faster than is determined from gravity
>>>>>>>>> alone. The detected components in galaxies will
>>>>>>>>> cause them to rotate significantly faster than
>>>>>>>>> predicted from either Newtonian or Relativistic
>>>>>>>>> gravity. That statement can be justified by
>>>>>>>>> experimental evidence (courtesy of Uncle Sam whose
>>>>>>>>> work is much appreciated at least by this author)
>>>>>>>>> beyond the mere detection of more rapidly rotating
>>>>>>>>> galaxies. Forget about dark matter.
>>>>>>>>> As for dark energy, it is based upon the
>>>>>>>>> observation of apparently anomalous type 1a
>>>>>>>>> supernovae (SNe1a) intensities. In order to match
>>>>>>>>> the observed SNe1a intensities to my work I need
>>>>>>>>> our galaxy to be in a region of space with a
>>>>>>>>> density of about 10^-24 kg/m^3. This is about
>>>>>>>>> 1,000 times the density required under the Big
>>>>>>>>> Bang theory for the universe to exist in its
>>>>>>>>> current form some 23.8 billion years after the Big
>>>>>>>>> Bang. But there are many problems with that figure.
>>>>>>>>> The odds of the universe having this structure
>>>>>>>>> 13.8 billion years after the Big Bang are about 1
>>>>>>>>> : 10^60. (I doubt that any Big Bang proponent
>>>>>>>>> would risk his/her money when she/he had only 1 :
>>>>>>>>> 1000 chance of winning. If they are, I am prepared
>>>>>>>>> to wager against as many as are prepared to show
>>>>>>>>> their faith in low odds.) Yet they expect us to
>>>>>>>>> believe the whole universe exists because of 1 :
>>>>>>>>> 10^60 odds and we are the one universe in over
>>>>>>>>> 10^60 other universes in the multiverse. Talk
>>>>>>>>> about having lost touch with reality. Another
>>>>>>>>> feature is that a "quick" (i.e., long and
>>>>>>>>> involved) calculation will show that the density
>>>>>>>>> of the visible universe is higher than ≈ 10^-27
>>>>>>>>> kg/m^3. Thirdly, for an expanding universe in
>>>>>>>>> which there is only light from up to 13.8 billion
>>>>>>>>> light years distance, there are far too many stars
>>>>>>>>> visible in the Hubble Extreme field images (again,
>>>>>>>>> thanks Uncle Sam). I am sure some of you can think
>>>>>>>>> of other observations as well.
>>>>>>>>> Going back to dark energy. In order to match the
>>>>>>>>> observed SNe1a intensities, my model requires a
>>>>>>>>> local (< 10^8 LYs radius) density of just over 1 x
>>>>>>>>> 10^-24 kg/m^3, dropping down to a background
>>>>>>>>> average of ≈ 8 x 10^-26 kg/m^3. Or another effect
>>>>>>>>> I haven't yet included. Both of these figures are
>>>>>>>>> much higher than the "official" (i.e. matches
>>>>>>>>> their theory) value of ≈ 10^-27 kg/m^3. A brief
>>>>>>>>> look at the stars in our local region, ≈ 10^6 LYs
>>>>>>>>> radius, gives the number of sun mass stars, ≈ 200
>>>>>>>>> x 10^9 for Milky Way, ≈ 300 x 10^9 Andromeda, and
>>>>>>>>> others, gives a star mass density approaching
>>>>>>>>> 10^-25 kg/m^3. Here is where astronomers are a
>>>>>>>>> little vague. The mass of galaxies is usually
>>>>>>>>> quoted in terms of number of stars of the same
>>>>>>>>> mass as our sun (luminous matter). They also add
>>>>>>>>> to that figure, the observation that the average
>>>>>>>>> galaxy has about ten times as much matter in a gas
>>>>>>>>> and dust cloud surrounding the galaxy (non
>>>>>>>>> luminous matter) as there is luminous matter.
>>>>>>>>> Adding the mass of the non luminous matter to the
>>>>>>>>> mass of the luminous matter, if it isn't already
>>>>>>>>> included, gets me close to 10^-24 kg/m^3. I admit
>>>>>>>>> I am not quite there. I am not out by as much as a
>>>>>>>>> factor of 24 times the observed mass of the
>>>>>>>>> universe and that is without dark matter to make
>>>>>>>>> the galaxies rotate faster than they should under
>>>>>>>>> gravity alone.
>>>>>>>>> There are many other problems associated with the
>>>>>>>>> Big Bang theory. Just think about the additional
>>>>>>>>> mass a galaxy must have to a receding velocity
>>>>>>>>> that gives a redshift of 10. Perhaps you know a
>>>>>>>>> few more of them.
>>>>>>>>> In summary, I believe the photon model just
>>>>>>>>> forwarded can be used with the rotating photon or
>>>>>>>>> toroidal electromagnetic field structure of matter
>>>>>>>>> and Newtonian mechanics give a continuity between
>>>>>>>>> quantum "weirdness" and special and general
>>>>>>>>> relativity. Much of what is called quantum
>>>>>>>>> "weirdness" can be explained by the structures of
>>>>>>>>> the photon and the particles composed of rotating
>>>>>>>>> or toroidal photons. Yes they need refinement, but
>>>>>>>>> we have to start somewhere. As I said, the object
>>>>>>>>> of my communication was to have a general
>>>>>>>>> discussion on the nature of light and particles.
>>>>>>>>> I append my paper on the electron structure FYI.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Vivian Robinson
>>>>>>>>> <Proposed electron structure.pdf>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/09/2016, at 1:08 AM, Hodge John
>>>>>>>>> <jchodge at frontier.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:jchodge at frontier.com>> wrote:
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