[General] photons: particles or?

[Hodge John]

The Hodge experiment rejects the  wave model of light. Thus, it is an experiment that is easily performed that shows the nature of photons. Al should do the experiment.
Hodge 

    On Friday, September 2, 2016 8:29 AM, Albrecht Giese <phys at a-giese.de> wrote:
 

  Al Kracklauer says:
 
 "Photons are a phantasy!  All that is know about photons comes from infering what caused a photo-electron (positron) to do what it did.  NO experimenter knows anything about a "photon" as it as such is unobservable. " I have described an experiment which I have made for my PhD thesis. How can the result of my experiment explained in the view that photons are fantasy? I have expected here an answer to this question. And "a photon is unobservable". Was a quark ever be observed? The up-quark and the down-quark cannot even be isolated. But they are understood to be particles. Was an electron or a positron ever be observed? I have never seen any of them even though in the research-centre, which I was working for, electrons have been  the main focus of observation. No properties of a photon known? A photon has a known energy, momentum, frequency, charge (=0), spin. Not enough?
  How is the existence of a particle is defined? A definition could be that it is an object which carries a clearly defined amount of energy. If this is accepted then the objects / photons in my experiment have clearly  been particles. If it is not accepted, please give us a usable definition. Albrecht
 
  Am 30.08.2016 um 19:10 schrieb af.kracklauer at web.de:
  
   Albert Giese wrote: "Another point in the discussion is the question of how photons can be understood. It is said (at different places of the foregoing discussion) that matter (i.e. leptons and quarks) can be converted into pure energy, which means photons in this context. Why is it denied that a photon is  a particle? It has all properties of a particle which the speciality that it permanently moves with c. And with this latter property it is very close to a neutrino for which nobody questions that it is a particle. And a photon has a well defined energy. This fact was indeed questioned by  some contributions in this forum. To those who are questioning it I would like to explain the following: ..."   To this one might retort:   Photons are a phantasy!  All that is know about photons comes from infering what caused a photo-electron (positron) to do what it did.  NO experimenter knows anything about a "photon" as it as such is unobservable.  Only photo induced electrons are.  Thus any theory about what has happend behind the veil is just guess-work.  Further, any imaginary concoction that correctly predics the behaviour of photo-electrons is equally valid.  Honesty with one's self requires acknowledging that theories about the unknowable are are also unverifiable. No matter what "people" do or don't question about nutrinos [a thoretical entity with an even more vague pedigree!], the state of knowledge about these entities is beyond the knowable and in the realm of myth.  It is, therefore, eminently arguabble that, electric interaction should be denoted as just that and limit the theory to what source-electrons do to sink-electrons without imaginay  intermediate, artificial constructs.  For what it's worth,  Al Krackauer       
  
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