[General] On photon momentum

Hodge John jchodge at frontier.com
Sat Jan 28 20:09:49 PST 2017


I do. And it explains diffraction.Hodge 

    On Saturday, January 28, 2017 7:12 PM, Dr Grahame Blackwell <grahame at starweave.com> wrote:
 

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