[General] Relativity
Wolfgang Baer
wolf at nascentinc.com
Mon Nov 6 10:51:11 PST 2017
Thank you Andre and Graham:
Great to have the articles
I fully agree with your statement "Each of us thus internally builds a
personal, thus subjective, model of what is occurring in physical
reality as the "present moment" progresses, which "present moment" is
the only moment that we can be aware of."
The next question to ask is " if the world in front of our nose can be
anything other than our experience of the subjective model?"
I tend to think it is because we can only experience the result and
subsequent explanation of our sensor interactions so we are always
living in our own model of reality not reality itself. This would mean
the empty space experience is tied to the background material of our
own mental display. Then I'll go one step further and state all material
has an experiential aspect and "an extension of material is experienced
as an expanse of space".
I'll send a paper that addresses the possibility that every material is
associated with some primitive feeling of space and Einstein did not
acknowledge this omnipresent background when he envisioned his thought
experiments. Please ignore the first part of this paper which points out
a flaw in the Special Relativity argument. I was told I did not
understand SR , which may be true , but its the omnipresent personal
space and the speed of "Now" I want to emphasize.
Out for 2 wks in Mexico
best wishes
Wolf
Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
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On 11/6/2017 6:48 AM, André Michaud wrote:
>
> Hi Grahame,
>
> You write "///At any given instant in time a snapshot of the physical
> state of the universe is given by the totality of the leading edges
> (or wavefronts) of the electromagnetic energy flows that make up all
> the particles and free energies in the universe at that time/"
>
> I must say that I also drew converging conclusions with regard to
> time, and so did a group of European researchers.
>
> You might be interested in an article published last year by Amrit
> Sorli et al. analyzing what Einstein called the "NOW" moment, title
> "Cosmology of Einstein's NOW":
>
> http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.11.pdf
>
> My personal conclusion is only slightly different from yours, as I
> would formulate this idea as:
>
> "/At any given instant in time each of us records in his neocortex
> what his senses let him perceive of the physical state of the
> universe given by the totality of the leading edges (or wavefronts) of
> the electromagnetic energy flows that make up all the particles and
> free energies in the universe at that instant of time/"
>
> Each of us thus internally builds a personal, thus subjective, model
> of what is occurring in physical reality as the "present moment"
> progresses, which "present moment" is the only moment that we can be
> aware of.
>
> My own conclusions in this regard can be found in Section "8. The Time
> Dimension" of this article, titled "On the Birth of the Universe and
> the Time Dimension in the 3-Spaces Model":
>
> http://article.sciencepublishinggroup.com/pdf/10.11648.j.ajmp.s.2016050401.17.pdf
>
> Best Regards
> André
>
>
> /On Mon, 6 Nov 2017 10:08:29 -0000, "Dr Grahame Blackwell" wrote:/
>
>
>
> Wolf [et al.],
> I have no doubt that time is a subjective experience of consciousness
> - that, as you say, the speed of light is in fact the speed at which
> consciousness moves through 'instants' of reality, i.e. as you put it:
> "Einstein's constant becomes [IS, in fact]the speed of each observer's
> "Now"."
> I first presented this view myself 10 years ago in an article in
> published the journal of the Scientific & Medical Network [Network
> Review, Issue 95, Dec 2007], in the following words:
> "
>
> *_The Role of Consciousness in Time Perception_*
>
> At any given instant in time a snapshot of the physical state of the
> universe is given by the totality of the leading edges (or wavefronts)
> of the electromagnetic energy flows that make up all the particles and
> free energies in the universe at that time. (In passing it's worth
> noting that this may have a bearing on Heisenberg's Uncertainty
> Principle, since the 'position' of a fundamental sub-atomic particle
> will at that instant be reduced to a single point in the cyclic path
> of the energy flow forming that particle – which will vary in position
> and direction at different points in that cycle.)
>
> As time progresses successive snapshots will be given by corresponding
> advances in each of those energy flows. From the point of view of an
> eternal observer, unhampered by the temporal limitation of observing
> only one instant at a time, each of those energy flows will form a
> continuous thread weaving its way through space as it also progresses
> through what we call 'time'.
>
> Almost certainly our perception of three-dimensional space is a
> consciousness-mapping of some deeper reality, but since we're built to
> think in these terms it makes sense to visualise that succession of
> snapshots by some spatial analogy. A common model is to think of a
> succession of frames from a cine film or video recording, but this
> tends to lose the continuity of those energy flows. Perhaps a better
> model is that of a four-dimensional spherical crystal, growing
> outwards from the centre as time progresses (though of course from the
> eternal perspective that crystal simply */is/*).
>
> Each instant in time is then an infinitely thin three-dimensional
> layer of that hypersphere, like the layers of an onion. The strands of
> light-energy snake outwards from the Source at the centre, weaving
> their intricate patterns of successive instants of reality in
> synchronisation with one another as they shape our ongoing cosmic
> destiny. Consciousness, flowing outward from the Source at the speed
> of light, experiences successive layers of this amazing hypersphere of
> light as instants of being, each perfect in its own way.
>
> "
> [If others think this crazy (as they may), I invite them to consider
> observations by Planck and Schrödinger on consciousness, which they
> both considered to bethe fundamental driving force of the universe.]
> I'd agree also that "the speed of light is constant for every observer
> because it is tied to the material which generates the space of that
> observer" [and, of course, that observer themself]. This is totally
> consistent with the logical observation that the 'time-experience' of
> that observer will itself be affected by those energy flows and the
> rate at which they pass through/around the observer (and any
> instruments they may use) - and so the time-experience of any
> observer/instrument will be tied to its state of motion ("reference
> frame") exactly in accordance with the findings of SR.
> I.e. SR is an observer effect caused by the variation in
> cyclic-to-linear ratio of energy flows in an observer's 'reference
> frame' affecting the rate at which consciousness experiences the
> passage of time.
> Grahame
> =========
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Wolfgang Baer <mailto:wolf at nascentinc.com>
> *To:* general at lists..natureoflightandparticles.org
> <mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:43 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [General] Relativity
>
> At the risk of both repeating and sounding crazy
>
> I've been developing a theory of physics that includes subjective
> experiences and identifies a background space with every observer
>
> It would then seem that the speed of light is constant for every
> observer because it is tied to the material which generates the
> space of that observer. If we look at the relationship between
> observer and the reference frame and realize the reference frame
> defines the space for that observer Einstein's constant becomes
> the speed of each observers "Now"
>
> I have a paper for the Vigier conference tat explores this
> possibility which I will send if interest exists
>
> Wolf
>
> Dr. Wolfgang Baer
> Research Director
> Nascent Systems Inc.
> tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432
> E-mailwolf at NascentInc.com
>
> On 11/3/2017 12:37 PM, André Michaud wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chip,
>>
>> I indeed see what you mean.
>>
>> Since the constant velocity of light is established in such
>> certain terms as an absolute velocity, what actually came to my
>> mind was the idea of possibly establishing the asymptotic speed
>> of light itself as the absolute reference with respect to which
>> all motion could be measured.
>>
>> I'll have a look at Albrecht's work.
>>
>>
>> André
>>
>> /On Fri, 3 Nov 2017 12:25:40 -0500, "Chip Akins" wrote:/
>>
>> Hi Andre (and Albrecht) and All
>>
>> I think that if Einstein’s statement “/light is propagated in
>> empty space with a velocity c which is independent of the motion
>> of the source/” is true, then the only reference which makes any
>> sense is the frame of space itself. It is implicit within the
>> statement that the reference frame for this velocity is space
>> itself. Lorentz argued that there must be a fixed frame of space
>> for these same reasons.
>>
>> What we observe is exactly compatible with this concept, that
>> there is a fixed frame of space, and that we are not able to
>> measure our motion relative to that fixed frame because matter is
>> made of confined propagating energy which moves at the same
>> velocity as light. Then, in a Euclidian three dimensional space,
>> we would experience the exact transformations Lorentz suggested
>> are required. As a result we would always measure the speed of
>> light to be the same speed. In this causal form of relativity
>> there is no room for the supposition that all motion is relative.
>> For motion is, in such a situation, relative to the frame of space.
>>
>> The impulse which is momentum (a specific force for a finite
>> time) is quite compatible, it seems, with your concept of the
>> importance of kinetic energy in the behavior of propagating
>> disturbances which make up all particles.
>>
>> One reason I am interested in the kinetic energy analysis is
>> because it would be nice to better understand the subject of
>> momentum as it refers to the propagation of energy through space.
>> I think it would be helpful if we understood the mechanisms which
>> create this momentum.
>>
>> Albrecht has done some work in this area, using a novel approach
>> which evaluates the behavior of “extended bodies” in space, which
>> is also very interesting.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>> *From:*André Michaud [mailto:srp2 at srpinc.org]
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 03, 2017 11:23 AM
>> *To:* chipakins at gmail.com;
>> general at lists..natureoflightandparticles.org
>> *Cc:* srp2 at srpinc.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Fwd: [General] Relativity
>>
>> Hi Chip,
>>
>> I have been thinking about what you wrote here:
>>
>> "Einstein stated that “/light is propagated in empty space with a
>> velocity c which is independent of the motion of the source/”,
>> which is an incomplete statement, logically inconsistent, because
>> *the/velocity c in empty space /has no meaning, unless we use the
>> fixed frame of space, or some other reference, as the logical
>> reference for that velocity.* A velocity simply must be stated in
>> reference to something."
>>
>> My own view on this hinges on the kinetic energy viewpoint that
>> you seem to have taken an interest in.
>>
>> On page 14 of my paper on the de Broglie photon hypothesis, you
>> will find my take on this issue, which relates the "*some other
>> logical reference*" that you mention, to the physical presence of
>> momentum related translational kinetic energy:
>>
>> "Now this brings up the old issue of what this "equilibrium"
>> constant velocity of photons in vacuum (free moving kinetic
>> energy) is relative to in reality. Is it relative to the medium?
>> To the point of emission? To the point of absorption? To the
>> observer? To this or that reference frame, or multiple reference
>> frames, inertial, non inertial, Galilean, moving or not, etc.?
>>
>> A deeply ingrained habit has developed since the beginning of the
>> 20th century to hypothesize various reference frames in attempts
>> to make sense of the experimentally observed data. But in
>> physical reality, velocity depends on only one criterion: the
>> actual presence of translational kinetic energy. If translational
>> kinetic energy is present and if the local electromagnetic
>> equilibrium allows it, there will be velocity in vacuum, relative
>> to there being absence of translational kinetic energy,
>> irrespective of any hypothesized reference frame or frames.
>>
>> _The absolute lower velocity limit_, as seen from this
>> perspective, would be an electron possessing zero translational
>> kinetic energy in excess the energy making up its rest mass. Of
>> course, such an electron totally deprived of translational
>> kinetic energy can only be theoretical, because all massive
>> particles are subject to gravitational or electrostatic
>> acceleration in physical reality from the moment they start
>> existing.
>>
>> _The absolute upper velocity limit_involving electromagnetic
>> oscillation is reached when an amount of translational (aka
>> unidirectional) kinetic energy propels *_an equal amount_* of
>> kinetic energy captive in transverse electromagnetic oscillation,
>> that is, a free moving photon for example, as described in this
>> paper.
>>
>> _The only other possible case_between these two limits involving
>> electromagnetic oscillation, applies to an amount of kinetic
>> energy captive in transverse electromagnetic oscillation being
>> propelled by *_a lesser amount_* of translational kinetic energy,
>> such as the kinetic energy making up the rest mass of an
>> electron, plus the transversely oscillating half of its
>> carrier-photon's kinetic energy, both quantities being propelled
>> by the unidirectional half of the carrier-photon's quantum of
>> kinetic energy. The velocity of such a system will mandatorily
>> lie between zero and asymptotically close to the speed of light."
>>
>> This is the one logical possible other reference that I have
>> identified.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> --- André Michaud
>> GSJournal admin
>> http://www.gsjournal.net/
>> http://www.srpinc.org/
>>
>> /On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:23:45 -0700, Richard Gauthier wrote:/
>>
>> Forwarded from Chip
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *"Chip Akins" <chipakins at gmail.com
>> <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com>>
>>
>> *Subject: [General] Relativity*
>>
>> *Date: *October 31, 2017 at 6:46:19 AM PDT
>>
>> *To: *"'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'"
>> <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
>> <mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>>
>>
>> *Reply-To: *Nature of Light and Particles - General
>> Discussion <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
>> <mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>>
>>
>> Hi Grahame (and Andre)
>>
>> A while back, we briefly discussed the idea that SR is not
>> “logically self-consistent” even though many conclude that it
>> is mathematically self-consistent.
>>
>> Regarding logical self-consistent issues…
>>
>> In order to address this point I think we would need to take
>> a look at the “landscape” as it relates to “relativity”.
>>
>> While doing this, if we look at causes, which is to say that
>> we use the concept of cause-and-effect as our guiding
>> principle, as you have properly stressed, we can come to
>> logical conclusions which simply do not agree with SR in all
>> details.
>>
>> So we can take a look at many of the known conditions to
>> guide the development of a composite view of the causes for
>> “relativity”.
>>
>> Sound waves travel through a medium. Sound waves exhibit the
>> Doppler Effect simply because they travel at a “fixed” speed
>> through a “homogeneous” medium, regardless of the velocity of
>> the object emitting the waves.
>>
>> Light also exhibits the Doppler Effect in space.
>>
>> So there is an indication that some similarities may exist
>> between the causes of the Doppler Effect in sound and in light.
>>
>> Einstein stated that “/light is propagated in empty space
>> with a velocity c which is independent of the motion of the
>> source/”, which is an incomplete statement, logically
>> inconsistent, because the/velocity c in empty space/has no
>> meaning, unless we use the fixed frame of space, or some
>> other reference, as the logical reference for that velocity.
>> A velocity simply must be stated in reference to something.
>>
>> Einstein also stated that, “/Absolute uniform motion cannot
>> be detected by any means./” Which is indicated by experiment
>> as well. So no problem here.
>>
>> And he then followed with the assertion that “/This is to say
>> that the concept of absolute rest and the ether have no
>> meaning./” (/Paraphrased/)
>>
>> This second conclusion is/not/fully logically supported by
>> the evidence presented, and is logically inconsistent with
>> the assertion that “/light is propagated in empty space with
>> a velocity c which is independent of the motion of the
>> source/”. There are alternate interpretations of this
>> evidence which are more causal and logical than this.
>>
>> First, our inability to measure something does not
>> necessarily make it meaningless. There are a myriad examples
>> we can give of things which we cannot directly measure, but
>> we have come to accept, because of indirect evidence which
>> stipulates their existence.
>>
>> We can however, from the evidence, reconstruct a set of
>> conditions, which is causal, and yields results which match
>> observation.
>>
>> For example, if light is made of “stuff” that propagates
>> through a fixed frame of space at c, and if matter is made of
>> confined versions of the same “stuff” also propagating (in
>> confinement) at c in a fixed frame of space, then we would
>> have exactly this set of circumstances. We would not be able
>> to detect our motion through space by using an apparatus like
>> the Michelson-Morley experiment. Note: This approach does not
>> relegate as meaningless anything which may in fact be quite
>> important.
>>
>> But if “/the concept of absolute rest and the ether have no
>> meaning.”/Then how do we explain/“light is propagated in
>> empty space with a velocity c which is independent of the
>> motion of the source”/and the resultant Doppler Effect when a
>> moving object emits light?
>>
>> While I am fully aware of the explanation that EM radiation
>> is represented by vector “fields”, and that they somehow
>> could propagate through an empty space at a fixed velocity
>> justified only by the math. That is a less satisfactory
>> answer logically because it does not present/physical/cause.
>> This consideration, and the Doppler Effect, coupled with the
>> underlying physical cause mentioned above, for us not being
>> able to detect our own motion through space, yields two
>> logically consistent reasons for looking at space as a sort
>> of medium, with a “fixed” frame.
>>
>> Lorentz transformations are a natural result of the situation
>> mentioned above regarding the constitution of light a matter.
>> These transformations are required under the circumstances
>> where light and matter are made of the same “stuff” and that
>> stuff moves at the fixed speed c in a fixed frame of space.
>> This all occurs in a 3 dimensional Euclidian space.
>>
>> So there is a more logically consistent, causal view, than
>> the one proposed by SR.
>>
>> When we run the math describing the situation where space is
>> a medium in which the propagation of disturbances is a fixed
>> velocity, and light and matter are made of these
>> disturbances, we obtain the set of Lorentz transformations,
>> and cause for “relativity” is shown, precisely and clearly.
>> This is a logically consistent basis, and one which shows
>> cause. In contrast to SR, which is a different interpretation
>> of the same starting information, but does not show cause,
>> and does not appear to be as logically consistent.
>>
>> Are there ways to present this and related information which
>> better illustrates the case from a logical basis?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Chip
>>
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