[General] Space as a CTF

Thu Mar 1 19:44:30 PST 2018

ChandraEXACTLY!The vortices studied in aerodynamics involve moving INERTIAL masses. My plenum has inertia and I think your CTF does, too. Neither has a gravitational mass. The media supports wave action but is not a wind? That is the problem. The vortexes seem to require a flow. Another requirement of cyclone vortices is the requirement for a ground.Peter Jackson's 2017 FQXi's paper mentioned vortices are present at all size scales. One of my tenants is that the macro-scale provides analogies for the nano-scale. What could a vortex be in the nano-scale? Charge is the only open area not covered by the STOE.Hodge  

    On Thursday, March 1, 2018 12:59 PM, "Roychoudhuri, Chandra" <chandra.roychoudhuri at uconn.edu> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [General] Space as a CTF    Wolf, are you addressing (John) Hodge. The equation I mentioned in my interpretation yields the sinc() function which gives the diffraction pattern in the diffraction experiment - kinda like Chandra's interpretation. Why does it have to yield a doughnut? A doughnut in what? I was exploring the possibility that one of the charges (+?) could be formed in the plenum like a smoke ring vortex is formed.  There are other forms of vortexes.  Hodge       On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 11:08 PM, Wolfgang Baer <wolf at nascentinc.com> wrote:    I like your direction John , but do not understand how your equation makes a doughnut wolf Dr. Wolfgang Baer Research Director Nascent Systems Inc. tel/fax 831-659-3120/0432 E-mail wolf at NascentInc.com On 2/28/2018 6:54 PM, Hodge John wrote: 
Chandra Thanks. I'm considering that charge is vortices in my plenum (field). The hods (gravitational mass) produce vortices as they move. I had noted Your CTF is similar to my \rho. I'm relieved that I won't be stepping on your toes. Hodge    On Wednesday, February 28, 2018 7:23 PM, Adam K<afokay at gmail.com> wrote:    Chandra,    I agree with you about charge being emergent. I can visualize it! But I cannot yet explain my vision. Hopefully this situation will not drag on for another 1.5 years as it has done.    Adam     On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Roychoudhuri, Chandra <chandra.roychoudhuri at uconn.edu> wrote: 
Very interesting thoughts, John! Keep it up and move forward. Remember, I postulate that all the forces are different kinds of potential gradients  (“curvatures”) around the self-loopedfield-particles in the CTF. Of course, I have borrowed the concept from Einstein’s “gravity is a curvature of space” and have generalized it to get rid of “exchange particles for different forces”.   Mathematically structuring the self-looped, in-phase doughnuts (Torus?) will be a critical step forward. I also intuitively believe that charge is an emergent property out of the dynamics of the field-particles. But, I have not been able to visualize the exact structure that gives + and – discrete charges.    Chandra.   From: General [mailto:general-bounces+ chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn. edu at lists. natureoflightandparticles.org]On Behalf Of Hodge John
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Subject: [General] Space as a CTF   Chandra I found myself revisiting your "Space as a complex Tension Field" paper. Perhaps the vortices are charge. Different vortices make + and - charge and the number of charges the intensity of the electric field. The CTF then is inertia and measured as inertia (not gravitational) mass. The thing that forms the vortices is the gravitational mass objects - also real. That is, the CTF model already has an approach to electrodynamics. Then in your paper, E_n = a_n exp[ i 2 pi N (t+ nR)] where N is the number of generating gravitational objects. Here the new thing is a gravitational object rather than a charge object which the CTF needs if the vortices are gravitational objects. Hodge   
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