[General] Light with "self-torque"
Albrecht Giese
phys at a-giese.de
Sat Jul 6 08:06:48 PDT 2019
Hello Richard,
thank you for your detailed explanations.
My question - or concern - was your requirement for a superluminal
motion in your models. This causes always doubts in the physical
community. My consideration was why it is necessary.
Now I have looked into your paper "Quantum-entangled superluminal
double-helix photon produces a relativistic superluminal quantum-vortex
zitterbewegung electron and positron, Part 2: Crossing lightspeed".
In this paper I find equations for the summation of speed. But when I am
looking into your equation 10 and the following ones, I do not
understand. There occur speeds close to c and also c itself. If you some
up those, you have to follow the summation rules in the Lorentz
transformation. That means, to sum for instance c with another speed,
the result is always c, not more. Is this taken into account? I do not
find it. Should I have overlooked something or misunderstood?
Hello Chip,
thanks for you explanations. You refer to quantum mechanical processes,
and that is in general correct. However I have understood the model of
Richard to be a classical one. And I would appreciate if it would be
that way.
Best wishes
Albrecht
Am 04.07.2019 um 23:55 schrieb Richard Gauthier:
> Hello Albrecht (and all),
>
> Thank you for reminding me of the pleasant and productive
> conference we participated in at Liege last August.
>
> I remember your comment but was not clear on how it could be
> implemented in my double-helix photon model. The double-helix photon
> model is not a zitterbewegung model. The zitterbewegung term refers to
> the internal frequency F=2mc^2/h of the Dirac electron, and related
> spatial models of the electron (or other particles). My relativistic
> quantum-vortex zitterbewegung model of the electron (see Part 2:
> Crossing lightspeed at richardgauthier.academia.edu/research
> <http://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research>) is shown below first
> for a resting electron model (on the left) and then for a very highly
> relativistic electron model on the right). (The electron/positron
> model shrinks in size as 1/gamma with increasingly gamma of the
> electron/positron, as can be seen from the parametric equations
> below). In both resting and highly relativistic cases the superluminal
> energy quantum (SEQ) moves along a mathematical surface — a horn torus
> for the resting electron or positron model. As gamma increases, this
> mathematical surface transforms into a sphere for a highly
> relativistic (large gamma) electron or positron model. Interestingly,
> in both cases the minimum speed of the SEQ composing the resting
> model and the highly relativistic model is calculated to be c, while
> the SEQ's maximum speed is calculated in both cases to be c sqrt(5) =
> 2.236 c. Coincidence? In between these extremes, the SEC is fully
> superluminal for two states (electric charge and spin combinations)
> and goes subliminal and back to superluminal during each SEQ cycle for
> the other two electric charge and spin combinations. I wonder if you
> could reduce both of these internally superluminal (and sometimes
> subluminal) quantum-vortex electron/positron models to having an
> internal movement purely at speed c.
>
> with best wishes,
>
> Richard
>
>
> The parametric equations for the superluminal energy quantum composing
> the relativistic quantum-vortex positron/electron model are given by
> Below: the resting electron model (left) and the highly relativist
> electron model (right). The green surfaces are mathematical surfaces
> along which the superluminal energy quantum (small ball with its
> trajectory) moves.
> T
>
>> On Jul 4, 2019, at 4:03 AM, Albrecht Giese <phys at a-giese.de
>> <mailto:phys at a-giese.de>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> you have again presented here your photon model, which has internally
>> a superluminal motion (zitterbewegung). Why superluminal? That makes
>> it difficult for physicists to accept your model. And as I have tried
>> to explain to you in Liége: it is not necessary. You can have speed
>> of light for the whole photon and also inside the photon. By taking
>> into account special relativity, this works.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Albrecht
>>
>>
>> Am 02.07.2019 um 08:10 schrieb Richard Gauthier:
>>> Hi Dan, John W, Martin and all,
>>>
>>> I just published my updated article "Quantum-entangled
>>> superluminal double-helix photon produces a relativistic
>>> superluminal quantum-vortex zitterbewegung electron and positron,
>>> Part 2: Crossing Lightspeed”, dated 2 July. It’s at
>>>
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Richard_Gauthier2/publications
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research .
>>>
>>> The just-published first part of the article "Quantum-entangled
>>> superluminal double-helix photon produces a relativistic
>>> superluminal quantum-vortex zitterbewegung electron and positron”
>>> presented in Liege at the Vigier conference last August is there also.
>>>
>>> with best wishes,
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 7:00 AM, Richard Gauthier
>>>> <richgauthier at gmail.com <mailto:richgauthier at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dan,
>>>> Thanks for your note about this discovery of a new property of
>>>> light, “self-torque"
>>>> <Screen Shot 2019-06-29 at 6.47.22 AM.png>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> which is reminiscent of the superluminal double-helix model of the
>>>> photon, though with clearly significant differences.
>>>>
>>>> <PastedGraphic-24.png>
>>>>
>>>> all the best,
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 2:56 AM, DataPacRat <datapacrat at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:datapacrat at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> An article I believe is of interest to the members of this list:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://phys.org/news/2019-06-property.html
>>>>>
>>>>>> New property of light discovered
>>>>>> by Bob Yirka, Science X Network, Phys.org <http://phys.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A team of researchers affiliated with several institutions in
>>>>>> Spain and the U.S. has
>>>>>> announced that they have discovered a new property of
>>>>>> light—self-torque. In their paper
>>>>>> published in the journal Science, the group describes how they
>>>>>> happened to spot the new
>>>>>> property and possible uses for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scientists have long known about such properties of light as
>>>>>> wavelength. More recently,
>>>>>> researchers have found that light can also be twisted, a property
>>>>>> called angular
>>>>>> momentum. Beams with highly structured angular momentum are said
>>>>>> to have orbital
>>>>>> angular momentum (OAM), and are called vortex beams. They appear
>>>>>> as a helix
>>>>>> surrounding a common center, and when they strike a flat surface,
>>>>>> they appear as
>>>>>> doughnut-shaped. In this new effort, the researchers were working
>>>>>> with OAM beams
>>>>>> when they found the light behaving in a way that had never been
>>>>>> seen before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The experiments involved firing two lasers at a cloud of argon
>>>>>> gas—doing so forced the
>>>>>> beams to overlap, and they joined and were emitted as a single
>>>>>> beam from the other side
>>>>>> of the argon cloud. The result was a type of vortex beam. The
>>>>>> researchers then
>>>>>> wondered what would happen if the lasers had different orbital
>>>>>> angular momentum and if
>>>>>> they were slightly out of sync. This resulted in a beam that
>>>>>> looked like a corkscrew with a
>>>>>> gradually changing twist. And when the beam struck a flat
>>>>>> surface, it looked like a
>>>>>> crescent moon. The researchers noted that looked at another way,
>>>>>> a single photon at the
>>>>>> front of the beam was orbiting around its center more slowly than
>>>>>> a photon at the back of
>>>>>> the beam. The researchers promptly dubbed the new property
>>>>>> self-torque—and not only
>>>>>> is it a newly discovered property of light, it is also one that
>>>>>> has never even been
>>>>>> predicted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The researchers suggest that it should be possible to use their
>>>>>> technique to modulate the
>>>>>> orbital angular momentum of light in ways very similar to
>>>>>> modulating frequencies in
>>>>>> communications equipment. This could lead to the development of
>>>>>> novel devices that
>>>>>> make use of manipulating extremely tiny materials.
>>>>>
>>>>> The actual published article is at
>>>>> https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1901/1901.10942.pdf . Discovered
>>>>> via the blog article at
>>>>> https://science.slashdot.org/story/19/06/29/0039231/new-property-of-light-discovered
>>>>> , where one comment links to
>>>>> https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056086
>>>>> , which includes the conclusion "In conclusion, twisted waves cannot
>>>>> carry information that is independent from the information contained
>>>>> in plane wave modes at the same frequency."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your time,
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dan Boese, aka DataPacRat
>>>>> "Does aₘᵢₙ=2c²/Θ ? I don't know, but wouldn't it be fascinating if
>>>>> it were?"
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