[General] Electron's Forces

Thu Oct 21 09:27:07 PDT 2021

Jarek, John:
Great discussions.
Very productive for me.
I am learning a lot as a classical optical physicist.
Chandra.

From: General <general-bounces+chandra.roychoudhuri=uconn.edu at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> On Behalf Of Jarek Duda
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To: John Macken <john at macken.com>; Nature of Light <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>
Subject: Re: [General] Electron's Forces

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Dear John,

Thank you, this is the article I have looked through, but wasn't able to find the details.

We use topological mechanisms like for fluxons quantizing magnetic field in superconductor - which can be directly translated to electric charges e.g. hedgehog-like configuration (realized e.g. in liquid crystals), making Gauss law count topological charge:

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> 2) All fundamental particles are modeled as rotating waves with Planck length amplitude and ħ/2 angular momentum.

Sounds like fluxon magnetic field quantization - to take it to point-like electric charge, we can use the above formula.

>The different fundamental particles have different rotation rates, different energy and different radii. However, they all have the same wave amplitude.

Sounds like de Broglie clock E = hbar omega = m c^2, confirmed for electron: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10701-008-9225-1<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flink.springer.com%2Farticle%2F10.1007%2Fs10701-008-9225-1&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cafe3301c2dfa4d3b797108d994426922%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C637703835347461969%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=YDlLKhwQnDpDe4r0oOL1rMUILpURNd69%2Fl76StiDVQw%3D&reserved=0>

> 3) The first order distortion of the surrounding space produced by these rotating waves scales only with wave amplitude. This distortion does not scale with frequency, with energy, or with wavelength. This common wave amplitude is the ultimate source of quantized charge.

I don't understand - maybe you could show some formula like above - showing Gauss law returning integer multiplicity of e?

Best regards,

Jarek

On 20.10.2021 20:48, John Macken wrote:
Jarek,

You ask, “Why Gauss law can only return integer charge?” I will restate the question as: What is the source of elementary charge e in particles?

I think I do a good job answering this question in the paper A quantum vacuum model unites an electron’s gravitational and electromagnetic forces.
www.researchgate.net/publication/353049276<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F353049276&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cafe3301c2dfa4d3b797108d994426922%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C637703835347471969%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2Flz9fiM2WczcZGFS%2FuNy%2FgFvUF1h415bX2Bf2pn1hRo%3D&reserved=0>

For example, sections of the paper have titles such as: Electron’s electric charge, What is electric charge? and Charge conversion constant. I have to assume the fine structure constant α, but given this constant, the model predicts the electrostatic force between two electrons or two muons.

A brief summary answer to your question can be broken down into the following points.
1) The quantum vacuum is modeled as a sea of vacuum fluctuations with amplitude of Planck length.
2) All fundamental particles are modeled as rotating waves with Planck length amplitude and ħ/2 angular momentum. The different fundamental particles have different rotation rates, different energy and different radii. However, they all have the same wave amplitude.
3) The first order distortion of the surrounding space produced by these rotating waves scales only with wave amplitude. This distortion does not scale with frequency, with energy, or with wavelength. This common wave amplitude is the ultimate source of quantized charge.
4) This explanation requires the manual insertion of α1/2 to be exact. Therefore, it is incomplete. However, it generates the surprising connection between the electron’s electrostatic force and the electron’s gravitational force.

John

From: Jarek Duda <dudajar at gmail.com><mailto:dudajar at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [General] Electron's Forces

Dear John,

Thank you, personally I am mostly interested in models of electrons - in your paper I see "quantized wave-based electron model", " An electron’s core is a rotating wave in the universal
field."

While I deeply agree with both statements, I don't see the details - especially for the most important: charge quantization - why Gauss law can only return integer charge?

With Manfried Faber we get it by interpreting curvature of some deeper e.g. unitary vector field, this way Gauss law counts topological charge - getting built in charge quantization.

Such view is also used in liquid crystals, for which they get long-range e.g. Coulomb-like interactions: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-16200-z<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Farticles%2Fs41598-017-16200-z&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cafe3301c2dfa4d3b797108d994426922%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C637703835347471969%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Tuhk9xjztu7hA0rQozWRWkJZqPaG8PTaaRglrGGa8xA%3D&reserved=0>

Here is how I would like to get 3 leptons (slides: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dl2g9lypzqu5hp/liquid%20crystal%20particles.pdf<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dropbox.com%2Fs%2F9dl2g9lypzqu5hp%2Fliquid%2520crystal%2520particles.pdf&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cafe3301c2dfa4d3b797108d994426922%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C637703835347481958%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=G%2BzjTJMXPj4a%2BkEKp50K5xNPqMOzCVN7nX%2FU7ccQowA%3D&reserved=0> - Coulomb between such charges, Klein-Gordon for phase as twist of the long axis):

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Is it close to your explanation of electric charge quantization?

With best regards,

Jarek Duda

W dniu 20.10.2021 o 03:15, John Macken pisze:
Hello Chandra and All,

I used to be an active member of this discussion group. However, when everyone else seemed to be attempting to construct electrons out of photons, my participation stopped. Now that I see the discussion has broadened, I would like to participate again.

I have been developing a model of an electron and the quantum vacuum for about 20 years. I started by characterizing the physical properties of the quantum vacuum. This led to a wave-based model of an electron. This model successfully generates an electron’s approximate energy, inertia and de Broglie wave characteristics. However, then something unexpected happened. The electron model also created two types of disturbances in the surrounding quantum vacuum. The first order effect was found to correspond to the electron’s electric/magnetic field. The much weaker, second order effect was found to correspond to the electron’s gravitational field.

Since this single model was creating both forces, the model was predicting how an electron’s quantum mechanical properties should unify the electron’s gravitational and electromagnetic forces.  Usually, the goal of an electron model is to explain known electron properties. This model was going further and predicting there should be previously unknown fundamental relationships between the electron’s electrostatic force and the electron’s gravitational force. This appears to be quantum gravity generated on the scale of electrons rather than the scale of black holes.

These predictions have now been proven correct without requiring new experiments. The details of this model and the proofs of the predictions are in the technical paper titled: A quantum vacuum model unites an electron’s gravitational and electromagnetic forces. This paper is currently under review by a physics journal. The preprint is available at the link below:  It has received about 1400 “reads” on ResearchGate in about 3 months.

www.researchgate.net/publication/353049276<https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F353049276&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cafe3301c2dfa4d3b797108d994426922%7C17f1a87e2a254eaab9df9d439034b080%7C0%7C0%7C637703835347491958%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=ibHPA6PWQRcHaisEUerkKZlU%2F8pkgm21rJRA9wGIIlk%3D&reserved=0>

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