[General] Electron's Forces
Jarek Duda
dudajar at gmail.com
Thu Oct 21 13:13:57 PDT 2021
Dear John,
Vacuum is, among others, a medium for interactions, e.g. long-range:
electromagnetism and gravity, the former has charge quantization in
Gauss law.
It seems there is also third long-range: quantum phase/pilot wave,
required for quantum phenomena like Mach-Zehnder interference, produced
due to de Broglie clock/zitterberwegung.
Wanting to understand vacuum, the simplest scenario seems pair creation:
energy -> electron + positron, with 1/r Coulomb energy dependence.
Charge quantization is constraint of Gauss law, which allows to explain
e.g. *why we cannot create half-electron this way?*
Personally I know only this topological quantization mechanism - making
that Gauss law counts topological charge. Do you maybe have any hint for
an alternative?
Best,
Jarek
ps. Getting 1/r Coulomb energy dependence is nontrivial, but realizable
e.g. in liquid crystals. Below is field of minus-plus pair of
topological charges, integrating energy density of the field, we get
e.g. V(r)~1/r long-range interaction for such charges:
W dniu 21.10.2021 o 20:36, John Macken pisze:
>
> Jarek,
>
> So far, my focus has been on understanding the properties of the
> quantum vacuum, an electron, and an electron’s forces. I have been
> using terms such as Planck length, Planck force, impedance of
> spacetime, etc. Your question made me realize that there is a large
> body of knowledge that is currently expressed as electromagnetism
> equations that needs to be “translated” into the terms I have been
> using. For example, Section 16 of the “Electron’s forces” paper it
> titled “Charge conversion constant”. In this section, I propose that
> Planck charge (/Q/_p ) converts to Planck length (/L/_p ). Therefore,
> the charge conversion constant is /Q/_p //L/_p ≈1.16ᵡ10^17 C/m. I have
> said that this length conversion is “polarized length”, not the
> omni-directional length of a meter stick.
>
> Your question about Gauss law makes it obvious that a lot more
> development of this concept is required. Terms such as “electric flux”
> need to be translated into properties of the quantum vacuum. This will
> require introducing vectors and perhaps other properties into my
> simplified charge conversion constant. This is a big job requiring
> expertise in electromagnetism.
>
> On another subject, it has been less than 2 days since I posted the
> information about my article to this group on
> natureoflightandparticles.org. In the approximately 40 hours since
> posting the paper, it has received over 60 “reads” on ResearchGate.
> This is a great increase in the download rate.
>
> John
>
> *From:*Jarek Duda <dudajar at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 8:25 PM
> *To:* John Macken <john at macken.com>; Nature of Light
> <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [General] Electron's Forces
>
> Dear John,
>
> Thank you, this is the article I have looked through, but wasn't able
> to find the details.
>
> We use topological mechanisms like for fluxons quantizing magnetic
> field in superconductor - which can be directly translated to electric
> charges e.g. hedgehog-like configuration (realized e.g. in liquid
> crystals), making Gauss law count topological charge:
>
> > 2) All fundamental particles are modeled as rotating waves with
> Planck length amplitude and ħ/2 angular momentum.
>
> Sounds like fluxon magnetic field quantization - to take it to
> point-like electric charge, we can use the above formula.
>
> >The different fundamental particles have different rotation rates,
> different energy and different radii. However, they all have the same
> wave amplitude.
>
> Sounds like de Broglie clock E = hbar omega = m c^2, confirmed for
> electron: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10701-008-9225-1
>
> > 3) The first order distortion of the surrounding space produced by
> these rotating waves scales only with wave amplitude. This distortion
> does not scale with frequency, with energy, or with wavelength. This
> common wave amplitude is the ultimate source of quantized charge.
>
> I don't understand - maybe you could show some formula like above -
> showing Gauss law returning integer multiplicity of e?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jarek
>
> On 20.10.2021 20:48, John Macken wrote:
>
> Jarek,
>
> You ask, “Why Gauss law can only return integer charge?”I will
> restate the question as: What is the source of elementary charge
> /e /in particles?
>
> I think I do a good job answering this question in the paper *A
> quantum vacuum model unites an electron’s gravitational and
> electromagnetic forces*.
>
> www.researchgate.net/publication/353049276
> <http://www.researchgate.net/publication/353049276>
>
> For example, sections of the paper have titles such as:
> *Electron’s electric charge*, *What is electric charge?* and
> *Charge conversion constant*. I have to assume the fine structure
> constant α, but given this constant, the model predicts the
> electrostatic force between two electrons or two muons.
>
> A brief summary answer to your question can be broken down into
> the following points.
>
> 1) The quantum vacuum is modeled as a sea of vacuum fluctuations
> with amplitude of Planck length.
>
> 2) All fundamental particles are modeled as rotating waves with
> Planck length amplitude and ħ/2 angular momentum. The different
> fundamental particles have different rotation rates, different
> energy and different radii. However, they all have the same wave
> amplitude.
>
> 3) The first order distortion of the surrounding space produced by
> these rotating waves scales only with wave amplitude. This
> distortion does not scale with frequency, with energy, or with
> wavelength. This common wave amplitude is the ultimate source of
> quantized charge.
>
> 4) This explanation requires the manual insertion of α^1/2 to be
> exact. Therefore, it is incomplete. However, it generates the
> surprising connection between the electron’s electrostatic force
> and the electron’s gravitational force.
>
> John
>
> *From:*Jarek Duda <dudajar at gmail.com> <mailto:dudajar at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 1:24 AM
> *To:* general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
> <mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>;
> john at macken.com <mailto:john at macken.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [General] Electron's Forces
>
> Dear John,
>
> Thank you, personally I am mostly interested in models of
> electrons - in your paper I see "quantized wave-based electron
> model", " An electron’s core is a rotating wave in the universal
> field."
>
> While I deeply agree with both statements, I don't see the details
> - especially for the most important: charge quantization -*why
> Gauss law can only return integer charge?*
>
> With Manfried Faber we get it by interpreting curvature of some
> deeper e.g. unitary vector field, this way Gauss law counts
> topological charge - getting built in charge quantization.
>
> Such view is also used in liquid crystals, for which they get
> long-range e.g. Coulomb-like interactions:
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-16200-z
>
> Here is how I would like to get 3 leptons (slides:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dl2g9lypzqu5hp/liquid%20crystal%20particles.pdf
> - Coulomb between such charges, Klein-Gordon for phase as twist of
> the long axis):
>
> Is it close to your explanation of electric charge quantization?
>
> With best regards,
>
> Jarek Duda
>
> W dniu 20.10.2021 o 03:15, John Macken pisze:
>
> Hello Chandra and All,
>
> I used to be an active member of this discussion group.
> However, when everyone else seemed to be attempting to
> construct electrons out of photons, my participation stopped.
> Now that I see the discussion has broadened, I would like to
> participate again.
>
> I have been developing a model of an electron and the quantum
> vacuum for about 20 years. I started by characterizing the
> physical properties of the quantum vacuum. This led to a
> wave-based model of an electron. This model successfully
> generates an electron’s approximate energy, inertia and de
> Broglie wave characteristics. However, then something
> unexpected happened. The electron model also created two types
> of disturbances in the surrounding quantum vacuum. The first
> order effect was found to correspond to the electron’s
> electric/magnetic field. The much weaker, second order effect
> was found to correspond to the electron’s gravitational field.
>
> Since this single model was creating both forces, the model
> was predicting how an electron’s quantum mechanical properties
> should unify the electron’s gravitational and electromagnetic
> forces. Usually, the goal of an electron model is to explain
> known electron properties. This model was going further and
> predicting there should be previously unknown fundamental
> relationships between the electron’s electrostatic force and
> the electron’s gravitational force. This appears to be quantum
> gravity generated on the scale of electrons rather than the
> scale of black holes.
>
> These predictions have now been proven correct without
> requiring new experiments. The details of this model and the
> proofs of the predictions are in the technical paper
> titled://*A quantum vacuum model unites an electron’s
> gravitational and electromagnetic forces*/./ This paper is
> currently under review by a physics journal. The preprint is
> available at the link below: It has received about 1400
> “reads” on ResearchGate in about 3 months.
>
> www.researchgate.net/publication/353049276
> <http://www.researchgate.net/publication/353049276>
>
> John Macken
>
>
>
>
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> dr Jarosław Duda
>
> Institute of Computer Science and Computer Mathematics,
>
> Jagiellonian University, Cracow, Poland
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> dr Jarosław Duda
> Institute of Computer Science and Computer Mathematics,
> Jagiellonian University, Cracow, Poland
> http://th.if.uj.edu.pl/~dudaj/
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dr Jarosław Duda
Institute of Computer Science and Computer Mathematics,
Jagiellonian University, Cracow, Poland
http://th.if.uj.edu.pl/~dudaj/
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