[General] Photon Spin

Sun Apr 26 06:00:09 PDT 2015

Hi All

Sorry I did not include a description.

The idea is that photons are made of fields, propagating as a wave, with a
fixed velocity, and that the field lines would therefore spiral when
spinning. 

The red lines are the more negative and the blue the more positive. They
fall off in strength as they get farther from the axis.

Flat version, no spin, viewed from the side:

Viewed from the direction of travel:

And from the side:

Chip

From: General
[mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.
org] On Behalf Of robert hudgins
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 9:48 PM
To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
Subject: Re: [General] Photon Spin

Dear Friends of Light, 
Pardon my intrusion on your discussion.  I have been warned that I will be
excluded unless  I actively participate.  

Chip's diagram's are beautiful!  His skill is enviable.  However, it
provokes questions.  Why spin h and not 1/2?  Are colors charge related?  

The photon may be a useful abstraction for expressing the way light energy
is packaged, rather than a stable, traceable entity. After the photon energy
has been assembled it may travel as a loosely entangled assembly of EM waves
that may follow unpredictable paths-- until they are condensed  and captured
by a resonator.   Though the electron is clearly more discreet, it might
also travel as an assembly of waves that pass through both openings of a
double slit while engaging in constructive or destructive interference.  
I am having conceptual difficulty imagining a topological twist that totally
conceals only the positive charge of a photon.  

Is an EM wave having only negative polarity a plausible construct?  Are
electrons without a positive partners being created with any frequency
today?

Thanks for your patience,
Bob

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From: chipakins at gmail.com <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com> 
To: general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
<mailto:general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> 
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:59:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [General] Einstein Philosophy by Dyson

Hi All

Just finished computing a possible field topology for a photon with spin h.

Viewed from the longitudinal axis:

And the side.

Chip

From: General
[mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.
org] On Behalf Of Mark, Martin van der
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:47 AM
To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
Subject: Re: [General] Einstein Philosophy by Dyson

Dear Chandra,

I agree. I think that Einstein was even more right than he realized himself,
but the future must show us.

Bohr did a great job on finding the structure of the atom and introduced a
revoltionary way of thinking to hold up the postulates required. That way of
thinking, however, is merely a scafolding, and it should be removed to see
the truth and beauty lying hidden behind it.

Copenhagen interpretation is now no more than a dogma that hampers progress!

Cheers, Martin

Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone

Op 25 apr. 2015 om 01:32 heeft chandra <chandra at phys.uconn.edu
<mailto:chandra at phys.uconn.edu> > het volgende geschreven:

Friends: 

For a brief moment, allow me to change the subject. Freeman Dyson is an
excellent writer. In the last part  of his "Book Review" article (attached),
Dyson beautifully summarizes the three philosophical positions of Einstein
(Classical), Bohr (Duality) and the current generation (Quantum-Only). To
save time and to get to the philosophy segment, jump to the bottom of the
picture showing Bohr and Einstein goofing and relaxing!

My philosophical position is more in line with Einstein; while acknowledging
that the one of the three key reasons behind the emergence of quantum
uncertainty is "because the processes in the second layer are unobservable"
(Dyson). This is why I have proposed, with demonstrated experiments in my
book ("Causal Physics"), that when we start framing our enquiring postulates
to imagine and visualize the invisible interaction processes, the nature
start to become a lot more transparent even within the current QM
formalisms. Further, this philosophy of Interaction Process Mapping
Epistemology (IPME) shows that current QM, in spite of its great successes,
a next generation formalism with deeper levels of enquiry has to be
developed by the next generation. In other words, I am suggesting that our
Knowledge Gatekeepers should change their blind devotion to currently
successful theories and encourage the next generation to come up with
various serious but radically different possible approaches.  Our conference
platform is one such example.

If we do not deliberately frame our enquiring questions to visualize the
invisible aspects of nature's interaction processes; we will forever remain
in the darkness of duality. Duality represents ignorance; it does not
represent new or better knowledge. We have to go beyond Bohr.

Chandra.

From: General
[mailto:general-bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu at lists.natureoflightandparticl
es.org] On Behalf Of John Williamson
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:46 AM
To: David Mathes; Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
Cc: Manohar .; Nick Bailey; Anthony Booth; Ariane Mandray
Subject: Re: [General] Articles of interest

Dear David and everyone,

Sounds as though MIT does a bit of a better job of promoting itself than I
do (what a surprise!).

There is nothing much new in looking at single electrons. SLAC was doing
this for years in HEP with its linear accelerator.  For that matter Millikan
was sensitive to single electrons with his oil-drop experiment - and the
school I went to was enlightened enough to let me do this experiment myself
at the age of sixteen or so. What is marvelous is that they can make it
sound as though detecting one electron something sexy! Robert Hadfield (in
our group) is in the business of detecting single photons and John Weaver
(in our group) has huge capability to look at individual electrons with some
of his work as well. This stuff is widely published!

More important than looking at detecting single electrons (easy enough!) is
looking at the underlying  sub-electron structure. Back in the late 1980's
and early 1990's I was in the business of looking at just that. I designed a
single electron electrometer sensitive at down to about a thousandth of the
electron charge. If you look at my Google scholar page you can find several
papers related to this. The device could also be used as a single electron
pump, to deliver a stream of electrons phase locked to the frequency of a
varying gate potential.  My paper (see attached), looking at the electron
sub-structure delivered electrons one-at-a-time and probe the profile of the
individual electron wave-function with a resolution of better than a tenth
of its de Broglie wavelength. This experimental work did not stop when I
left the field of course. Leo Kouwenhoven, in particular, spent many years
investigating my single-electron electrometer device (and creating new ones)
in the last quarter of a century. There is now a very great deal of
experimental information about the inner structure of matter, electrons (and
photons) with which to work. 

What was lacking then, and is still not widely accepted now, is a proper
theoretical framework within which to interpret this inner structure. This
is what we have to do. Firstly develop the theoretical framework and
secondly get the message out. 

We have to convince people we are not crazies and that this is serious, new
science. That is what will be hard. Any communications of this to the
outside world needs to get rid of the speculative , ill informed, or just
plain wrong stuff that is perfectly ok within the context of an online
discussion or over a pint or two, but not ok at all if we wish to make a
serious attempt at convincing the outside world. 

Regards, John.

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From: General
[general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk at lists.natureoflightandparticl
es.org
<mailto:general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk at lists.natureoflightand
particles.org> ] on behalf of David Mathes [davidmathes8 at yahoo.com
<mailto:davidmathes8 at yahoo.com> ]
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:11 PM
To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
Subject: [General] Articles of interest

Science moves on...two articles of interest for the discussion.

Detecting a single electron

https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/magnetic-system-detects-single-electrons-042
1

Detecting photons on the fly

http://spie.org/x113450.xml

<1504_Einstein&Philosophy.docx>

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