[General] No mass (photon) - to mass (electron)

[Andrew Meulenberg]

Dear Martin,

Thank you for the confirmation. Can/should the multiplicative factor be
like gamma that goes to 1 (not zero) in the limit of low v? I haven't
finished reading his paper yet; nevertheless, I think that he will miss the
critical concept that charge and mass are one. Has QED never considered
this?

I'm always concerned about my being 'blindsided' by knowledge that I have
not acquired. I did not want that to happen to this effort.

Andrew
_ _ _ _

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Mark, Martin van der <
martin.van.der.mark at philips.com> wrote:

>  Dear Andrew,
>
> Frank Wilczek is very smart and has a number of blind spots at the same
> time, like all of us, he is human.
>
> However, he is very right in what he says, but the IMPLICIT implication
>  is wrong.
>
> He is right because QED is a perturbative theory that describes the
> INTERACTION between CHARGED particles.
>
> It does not describe the nature of the particles, as a matter of fact this
> is the part that is RENORMALIZED away!!!
>
> So he is RIGHT in what he says.
>
> What may be implied, is that this means that particles cannot be totally
> electromagnetic, and that implication is WRONG, already for the reason I
> have given above.
>
> So this is, in very short, the answer you want.
>
> What one has to deal with is Feynman Lectures Vol II chapter 28. The
> binding forces or Poincarestresses are not covariant with the
> electromagnetic part...unless they are electromagnetic, but nobody knows
> how....they say.... See also the Boyer-Rohrlich controversy.
>
>
>
>
>
> *(Note that Frank Wilczek has had a problem with relativity, his "wence
> the force" letters in Physics Today some 10 years ago, I believe,*
>
> *Yes...*
>
> *Physics Today **57**(10), 11 (2004); doi: 10.1063/1.1825251*
>
> *There is a part II and II and even IV a year later, I believe and maybe
> more....*
>
> *They are good letters, but he has a problem with rest mass, the thing
> that confuses many of us and about the meaning of E=mc^2, I have to look it
> up.*
>
>
>
> Oh, I will come back to you later on the  H-atom and the DB frequency, etc,
>
>
>
> Best, Martin
>
>
>
> Dr. Martin B. van der Mark
>
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>
>
>
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>
> *From:* General [mailto:general-bounces+martin.van.der.mark=
> philips.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] *On Behalf Of *Andrew
> Meulenberg
> *Sent:* donderdag 21 mei 2015 15:47
> *To:* Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion; Andrew
> Meulenberg
> *Cc:* Mary Fletcher
> *Subject:* [General] No mass (photon) - to mass (electron)
>
>
>
> Dear Folks,
>
> I found this statement (in the attached from Wilczek) that we may have to
> address in the photonic-electron model (my underline)
>
>
>
> "In modern quantum electrodynamics (QED) *the electromagnetic correction*
> to the electron's mass appears as a multiplicative factor. It* cannot,
> therefore, bootstrap a vanishing intrinsic mass to a nonzero value.* This
> no-go result arises because in the limit of zero electron mass the
> equations for electrons interacting with electromagnetic fields have
> enhanced symmetry (chiral symmetry), which forbids mass non-zero mass, even
> when back reaction is taken into account."
>
>
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Andrew
>
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