[General] photons: particles or?

Albrecht Giese genmail at a-giese.de
Sat Sep 10 10:01:30 PDT 2016


Al:

please see below.

Am 09.09.2016 um 03:27 schrieb af.kracklauer at web.de:
> Albrecht:
> Some (me too) find it easier to see the deflection of light through 
> douoble slits as a lot less mystical as a wave phenomena.  But then, 
> why are the waves registered as a distribution of point flashes? 
>  [Ans: becasue waves are detected when impinging on a detector made of 
> a matrix of photoelectron sources, which at very low intensity "flash" 
> separatly.] Why are particle beams (electrons) deflected like waves at 
> slits (& double, triple, etc.)?  Ans: beacuse they are surfing on 
> deBroglie modes of the E&M background---The background modes do the 
> diffraction, the particles trajectories expose it.
Yes, basically I agree, and that shows that the reactions of photons on 
the one hand and electrons and neutrons etc. on the other hand are 
similar. - De Broglie has explained this behaviour of particles by the 
"pilot wave". This wave has, however, to my knowledge nothing to do with 
E&M.
> Don't overlook: all "photon" phenomena without exception are 
> ultimately observed using photo-detectors (i.e., as "photo currents" 
> of electrons.  The photon story is deduced from multiple observations 
> of photo currents statictially.  NO individual photon has ever been 
> observed; just photoelectrons, in slits, Compton, wherever!)
No, I have explained my experiment. In that case single photons were 
detected individually by pair production. The pair presented the correct 
energy of each photon. So not in a statistical way but by a clearly 
individual reaction.
> Vienna (Zeilinger & group) are all fanatic beleivers in the mystical 
> concept of "reality as information".  Were they to study and 
> comprehend the criticcisms I & others have raised against 
> "entanglement,"  Bell, etc. they would collapse of embarrasment for 
> all the "egg on their facres"! BTW, I have personally put my pubs into 
> the hands of Zeilinger!  Silence!  Along with 60+ other experts on 
> quantum optics who have promissed me a devistating rebuttal "when they 
> find time."   Very busy bunch!
I did not refer to Zeilinger but to Arno Rauschenbeutel, the experiment 
was published in "Nature Photonics" a few days ago. Also there are 
several papers of theorists who stated that photons can interact with 
photons even though it is difficult to demonstrate.
> Neutrons at least have mass!
Also photons have mass if in motion. They have never been observed at 
rest, so never without mass. The massless photon is a theoretical result.
> For any and all of my papers see:  www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com
I have looked at it but it seems to cover a different topic.

Ciao, Albrecht
> ciao, Al
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 08. September 2016 um 16:42 Uhr
> *Von:* "Albrecht Giese" <genmail at a-giese.de>
> *An:* "'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'" 
> <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: [General] photons: particles or?
>
> Al,
> true that there are particles which are accessible more easily. But 
> photons can be deflected by double slits, also by the Compton effect. 
> And they can also interact with other photons under specific 
> conditions. There is just a new report published by the university of 
> Vienna/Wien (Austria). Published in "Nature Photonics". And on the 
> other hand: If one wants to manipulate a neutron and get it into a 
> specific direction, is that simple?
>
> Is there in easy access to your paper of 1978?
>
> Albrecht
>



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