[General] photons: particles or?
Albrecht Giese
genmail at a-giese.de
Sat Sep 10 10:01:30 PDT 2016
Al:
please see below.
Am 09.09.2016 um 03:27 schrieb af.kracklauer at web.de:
> Albrecht:
> Some (me too) find it easier to see the deflection of light through
> douoble slits as a lot less mystical as a wave phenomena. But then,
> why are the waves registered as a distribution of point flashes?
> [Ans: becasue waves are detected when impinging on a detector made of
> a matrix of photoelectron sources, which at very low intensity "flash"
> separatly.] Why are particle beams (electrons) deflected like waves at
> slits (& double, triple, etc.)? Ans: beacuse they are surfing on
> deBroglie modes of the E&M background---The background modes do the
> diffraction, the particles trajectories expose it.
Yes, basically I agree, and that shows that the reactions of photons on
the one hand and electrons and neutrons etc. on the other hand are
similar. - De Broglie has explained this behaviour of particles by the
"pilot wave". This wave has, however, to my knowledge nothing to do with
E&M.
> Don't overlook: all "photon" phenomena without exception are
> ultimately observed using photo-detectors (i.e., as "photo currents"
> of electrons. The photon story is deduced from multiple observations
> of photo currents statictially. NO individual photon has ever been
> observed; just photoelectrons, in slits, Compton, wherever!)
No, I have explained my experiment. In that case single photons were
detected individually by pair production. The pair presented the correct
energy of each photon. So not in a statistical way but by a clearly
individual reaction.
> Vienna (Zeilinger & group) are all fanatic beleivers in the mystical
> concept of "reality as information". Were they to study and
> comprehend the criticcisms I & others have raised against
> "entanglement," Bell, etc. they would collapse of embarrasment for
> all the "egg on their facres"! BTW, I have personally put my pubs into
> the hands of Zeilinger! Silence! Along with 60+ other experts on
> quantum optics who have promissed me a devistating rebuttal "when they
> find time." Very busy bunch!
I did not refer to Zeilinger but to Arno Rauschenbeutel, the experiment
was published in "Nature Photonics" a few days ago. Also there are
several papers of theorists who stated that photons can interact with
photons even though it is difficult to demonstrate.
> Neutrons at least have mass!
Also photons have mass if in motion. They have never been observed at
rest, so never without mass. The massless photon is a theoretical result.
> For any and all of my papers see: www.nonloco-physics.0catch.com
I have looked at it but it seems to cover a different topic.
Ciao, Albrecht
> ciao, Al
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 08. September 2016 um 16:42 Uhr
> *Von:* "Albrecht Giese" <genmail at a-giese.de>
> *An:* "'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'"
> <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>
> *Betreff:* Re: [General] photons: particles or?
>
> Al,
> true that there are particles which are accessible more easily. But
> photons can be deflected by double slits, also by the Compton effect.
> And they can also interact with other photons under specific
> conditions. There is just a new report published by the university of
> Vienna/Wien (Austria). Published in "Nature Photonics". And on the
> other hand: If one wants to manipulate a neutron and get it into a
> specific direction, is that simple?
>
> Is there in easy access to your paper of 1978?
>
> Albrecht
>
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