[General] STR twin Paradox

[Dr Grahame Blackwell]

Very well put, John - I totally agree.

Both Albrecht and Wolf are addressing important points - but they are quite different points.
It's absolutely true that Albrecht has the right of it within the context of the sort of stuff that this forum is primarily about. But by the same token, Wolf is raising significant points, points that just don't really happen to fit with the main substance of this group 'discussion'.

Wolf, I find your input fascinating, many times I've wanted to exclain "Yes!" - but it tends too much to take us away from the physical-realm based stuff that really needs to be pinned down if physics is to progress at that level.  The consciousness issue also needs (very importantly) to be addressed - I believe our progress will be severely limited until/unless we DO address it - but as quite a different topic.  (Maybe we need a separate discussion group...)

Thanks, John, for drawing that very helpful distinction.

Grahame
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Williamson 
  To: Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion 
  Cc: Mark, Martin van der ; Pete Delaney ; Darren Eggenschwiler ; Innes Morrison 
  Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2017 8:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [General] STR twin Paradox


  Dear Wolf and Albrecht.



  Please forgive me if I am wrong, and you are both really communicating deeply, but I do not think the two of you are really communicating at all on any meaningful level.



  Albrecht, you do not seem to get what Wolf is talking about at all, and keep trying to draw him back to the limited grounds of SR, which is quite irrelevant to most of what he is trying to say. On another forum his approach would be taken to be the majority view.



  Wolf, you should not be trying to go onto the grounds of the argument with SR as this is not what you are about. You are going to lose on those grounds as SR is perfectly self-consistent and does describe the physics of synchrotrons perfectly. Albrecht is right: otherwise they would not work. This is not to say that SR is in any way the whole story. It is not, as is being discussed in some of the other threads.



  This whole back and forth has become a prime example of both of you making up what you think the other is talking about and then arguing with that instead of conducting a proper discussion with each other. You are both arguing, effectively, with yourself. This is not necessarily a bad thing, of course, as one or both of you may come to the realisation that you have something to learn and that is always a good thing. It has become pretty tiring for an outside observer though.



  Regards, John.


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