[General] Photon Structure

Hodge John jchodge at frontier.com
Fri Feb 3 15:33:44 PST 2017


Hi Al, Chip, Albrecht,  Andrew, and John D.
 
the diffraction experiment with low intensity (one photon in the experiment at a time) produces a diffraction pattern. The pattern characteristics such as the spacing of the minima depends on the photon's energy. that is it depends on the photon. in the experiment say between the mask and screen. So it cannot be from all other photons in the universe.
Problem, how does the wave / alternations effect the photon. I suggest reflection from matter (mask and screen).
Electric charges are reflected from surfaces (see books o antenna theory). So, it is plausable that such a model could satisfy my photon diffraction experiment. Slight changes in my equations would probably yield the same solution. I chose the gravity wave model to unite it with GR, to allow spin=1, and to yield the polarization of photons in magnetic fields.
Hodge 
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On Fri, 2/3/17, John Macken <john at macken.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [General] Photon Structure
 To: "'Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion'" <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>, phys at a-giese.de
 Date: Friday, February 3, 2017, 3:30 PM
 
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 #yiv0878927544 Al, Chip, Albrecht, Hodge,
 Andrew, and John D.  My post yesterday made the point
 that angular momentum comes only in discrete units of ½ ħ.
 This was defied as “strong quantization” because angular
 momentum comes only in discrete units. The energy of a
 photon is defined as “weakly quantized” because even
 though all the energy of a photon is absorbed as a unit, the
 energy is not quantized into discrete units like angular
 momentum. In the future, I will attempt to prove that all
 examples of quantization in the universe are the result of
 angular momentum being quantized. This gives particle-like
 properties to quantized waves.
  I will start by examining the
 concept of a “field”.  What is a field? It appears to
 be a term describing a ghost-like concept that is never
 given a conceptually understandable model.  Electric fields
 and magnetic fields have quantifiable energy density, so
 they must be physical entities which demand testable
 models.  However, what about the 16 other fields of the
 standard model? Each named particle of the standard model
 has as associated field.  There is an electron field, a
 muon field, a Higgs field, etc. Each named particle is
 considered to be an “excitation” of its respective field
 (reference given in the attached paper).  
  The standard model has 17
 overlapping fields existing in the vacuum. This is chaos
 that screams for simplification. Into this environment, I
 introduced the observation that gravitational waves (GWs)
 are propagating in spacetime and they experience spacetime
 as being a very stiff elastic medium.  If it was possible
 to do a Michaelson Morley experiment using GWs, we would
 find that GWs propagate at the speed of light as seen from
 all frames of reference.  In other words, spacetime
 exhibits the property of being a propagation medium with the
 relativistic properties postulated by Einstein.  It is
 generally thought that Einstein rejected the concept that
 the vacuum had a physical content often called the ether or
 aether.  However, only from about 1905 to 1916 did he hold
 this view.   Here is a part of the attached paper where I
 give some Einstein quotes.
  “Einstein intuitively knew there
 was a physical component of space. From 1916 until his death
 he used the terms: “relativistic ether”,
 “physical space” and “total field” to express this
 concept. [29] Here are two
 representative quotes. In 1934 he said “Physical
 space and the ether are different terms for the same thing;
 fields are physical states of space”. [30] In 1950 Einstein
 wrote an article for Scientific American where he
 said, “According to general relativity, the concept of
 space detached from any physical content does not exist.”
 [31].
  Today, most physicists hold the
 opposite view and believe space has no “physical
 content”. However, it is proposed that failure to
 recognize the physical presence of vacuum energy (VE)
 ignores the largest component of the universe and removes a
 key element required to conceptually understand the cause of
 many of the laws of physics.”
  The attached
 GW paper contains important concepts required to understand
 the photon model. This paper is currently “under review”
 by one of The Royal Society journals. In this paper I
 analyzed the experimentally observed properties of the GW
 designated GW150914.  These LIGO observations generated the
 GW amplitude, frequency, and intensity.  Combining these
 measured properties with speed of light propagation allowed
 me to calculate the properties of spacetime encountered by
 this GW. From this analysis, I obtain equations for the
 energy density encountered by GWs of any frequency as they
 propagate through spacetime. This energy density corresponds
 to the energy density predicted for the vacuum by quantum
 field theory when extrapolated to Planck frequency. The
 model proposed and tested in this paper is that the vacuum
 of spacetime is Planck length vacuum fluctuations
 oscillating at Planck frequency.  This sea of quantum
 mechanical  harmonic oscillators forms the universal field
 that fills the vacuum of spacetime. All other fields are
 proposed to be multiple resonances of this single universal
 field. I show how these fluctuations generate the correct
 energy of virtual particles, generate the energy density of
 black holes and generate the Friedmann equation for the
 critical energy density of the universe. In future posts I
 will show how this model of vacuum energy leads to testable
 models of electric fields, charged particles, and
 photons.  John M.
  From: General
 [mailto:general-bounces+john=macken.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org]
 On Behalf Of af.kracklauer at web.de
 Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 10:19
 AM
 To: phys at a-giese.de;
 general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
 Cc:
 general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
 Subject: Re: [General] Photon
 Structure  Hi
 Albrecht: Well, I have lots of problems;
 rather formal logic reveals lots of problems of which I am
 aware of some of them. To start the 'photon'
 creation event offers no way of checking what is actually
 created. Your claim is that the balance between
 bremstrahlung from the electrons and pair creation implies
 that the transfer had to happen by means of packaged E&M
 energy.  But, it could just be a coincidence that the
 measured energy levels matched (within whatever tolerance
 your setup was subject to) while lots of off-beam energy was
 also involved in a way which was not (could not) be
 measured.  Or, it could have been the the bremstrahlung was
 effectivy "needle raadition" (a classical solution
 to Max's Eqs.); etc. etc.   In the end, (or beginning)
 whatever E&M interaction was involved cannot be observed
 except by means of the photo electric effect, and that
 process hides as much as it reveals. DeBroglie's ideas as he
 presented them suffer from a lack of molel for the source of
 pilot waves.  An SED interpretation as a residue of
 outgoing radiation from all other charges in the universe
 renders the story credible, however.  See my old Found. of
 Phys. Lett article. ciao, Al  Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Februar 2017 um
 17:48 Uhr
 Von: "Albrecht
 Giese" <genmail at a-giese.de>
 An: general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org
 Betreff: Re: [General] Photon
 StructureHi
 Al, hi John Hodge,The
 question of a photon as a corpuscle can be answered in a
 positive sense. There are measurements which give us
 constraints.One
 is the experiment of my thesis done in a high energy
 laboratory. We have created photons by stopping electrons.
 These photons made a flight of about 3 meters through the
 air and were then detected by pair production in a thin
 layer of metal. The energy of the pair could be precisely
 measured. It reflected the energy used in the creation
 process. So, there was an object flying from the source to
 the (pair-)detector which carried a well defined energy. And
 notice that the pair production process cannot collect EM
 energy until a certain amount is achieved. No, it is one
 single event going on with one object. This object is
 conventionally called "photon". Next question for the particle wave
 problem: How can this corpuscle "photon" cause
 interference patterns? The answer is not difficult if we
 follow the original idea of de Broglie: This corpuscle
 "photon" is accompanied by an alternating field
 which causes the interference. And how is this field
 created? I think there is no other way then to assume that
 the photon has a pair of electric charges inside. This pair
 is in permanent motion and causes the alternating field; and
 causes so during the motion of the photon a wave.
 Any
 problems with this?Albrecht 
 Am
 03.02.2017 um 06:22 schrieb Hodge John:Experiment has rejected wave
 models of light.Know?
 By a simulation that posits the structure that agrees with
 experiment such as photon diffraction and
 interference.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAjKk6k6-k  http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1603
   Hodge  --------------------------------------------On Thu, 2/2/17, af.kracklauer at web.de
 <af.kracklauer at web.de>
 wrote:   Subject: Re: [General] Photon
 Structure To: general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org Cc: "'Nature of Light
 and Particles - General Discussion'" <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2017,
 6:58 PM  Challenge for those seeking to fathom the
 structure of
 "photons":   How will a candidate theory of
 the photon structure
 ever be verified?  This is a problem insofar as the best that can be
 done is to consider the
 result of measurement, which will then be an intrinsic
 part of the result. 
 It is utterly IMPOSSIBLE to observe what went on behind the
 measurement----thus it can never be known!  Therefore, photons are
 hypothetical entities built on the result of interacting by
 means of E&M (something) using "photo
 electrons", which are countably discrete giving the impression
 that, whatever made them flow was also discrete---an
 unjustified jump in logic!    Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02.
 Februar 2017 um 20:33
 Uhr  Von: "John
 Macken" <john at macken.com>  An: "'ANDREW
 WORSLEY'" <member at aworsley.fsnet.co.uk>,
 "'Nature of
 Light and Particles - General
 Discussion'"
 <general at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org>  Betreff: Re: [General] Photon
 Structure     Andrew, Richard, Chip and
 John D.     The discussion has turned
 to whether photons
 possess discrete packages of energy or are quantized waves with no
 concentration of energy in a small volume.  My position is: 
 Photons are quantized waves propagating in the quantum
 mechanical vacuum energy of spacetime.       This is too big a subject
 to be covered in one
 post, so I will lay out the background information in this post, then
 build on this in other
 posts.  To explain my position I will first quote from
 my paper titled
 Energetic Spacetime: The New Aether.      “Photons are usually
 described as possessing
 “wave-particle duality”. However, this phrase is just a name given to
 something that we do not understand. The essence of a wave
 is that it is an
 oscillating disturbance with a definable wavelength
 and distributed over a
 substantial volume. A wave transfers liner momentum and some waves are
 capable of transferring
 angular momentum. Any wave disturbs the medium through
 which it is propagating
 such that energy is being converted between different
 forms.     The essence of a particle
 is that it is a single
 unit that differs from its surroundings. A fundamental particle is usually
 assumed to be energy
 concentrated at a point with no internal structure. A
 point particle or even
 a Planck length vibrating string is incapable of possessing ħ of
 angular momentum as a
 conceptually understandable physical rotation. The
 implied infinite energy
 density of a point particle also defies a physical explanation. Saying a
 photon has “wave-particle duality” is like saying that it
 has “top-bottom
 duality”. These are contradictory properties which
 cannot be equal
 partners. A photon must either be a particle that somehow exhibits wave properties
 or a wave that is somehow quantized so that it exhibits
 particle properties.”
     Skipping forward in
 this paper, the
 question of quantization is addressed.  This is an important concept because a
 wave can appear to have
 particle-like properties if the wave is quantized. 
 The following is a
 section titled “Strong Quantization” from the paper Energetic Spacetime:
 The New
 Aether.     “It is often said that
 photons possess
 quantized energy of E = ħω. However, we will examine the limits of
 this quantization.  Suppose that we make an analogy to the
 equivalence principle having a “strong” and a “weak”
 definition. Similarly, the proposal is made that there is a
 “strong” and “weak” definition of quantization. A
 strong definition of
 quantization would imply that only integer multiples of
 the fundamental unit
 are allowed. For example, if energy met the strong definition of
 quantization, then energy would only came in discrete units such as
 integer multiples of 1 eV. Photons would only come in
 discrete frequencies which would be integer multiples of the
 universal fundamental frequency associated with the universal
 unit of quantized energy. Obviously energy and frequency
 are not quantized according to the “strong” definition.
 Instead, a photon’s energy is only weakly quantized. All of
 a photon’s energy is
 transferred when it is absorbed, but a photon can
 possess any energy up
 to Planck energy. The same photon has different energy when viewed from
 different frames of
 reference.     Compare this to angular
 momentum which meets
 the definition of strong quantization. Angular momentum only comes in discrete
 units. All angular momentum in the universe only comes in
 integer multiples of ½ ħ. This is obvious with fermions and
 bosons, but a more
 revealing example can be made using a carbon
 monoxide molecule (CO)
 isolated in a vacuum. An isolated CO molecule can only possess integer
 multiples of ħ angular
 momentum. This translates into the CO molecule only
 being able to rotate at
 discrete frequencies which are integer multiples of its fundamental
 rotational frequency of 115 GHz. This meets the definition of
 strong quantization. For another example, take a photon
 that is part of the cosmic microwave background.  Over the
 age of the universe this photon has lost most of its
 energy. However, the photon has kept 100% of its angular
 momentum. Angular momentum has strong quantization; energy has
 weak quantization.
     It is proposed that
 all quantization in the
 universe is ultimately traceable to angular momentum being strongly
 quantized. When a photon is absorbed by an atom, it transfers
 100% of its angular
 momentum to the atom. All the photon’s energy is
 also transferred to the
 atom, but that is just a byproduct of transferring its ħ unit of
 quantized angular
 momentum. The amount of energy transferred from the
 photon to the atom
 depends on the frame of reference of the atom. However, the angular momentum
 transferred is independent of the frame of
 reference.”
     In future posts I will
 develop this idea and
 show that the particle-like properties of a photon can be explained by a wave
 that possesses quantized angular momentum.       John M.         _______________________________________________
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