[General] Nature of Light and Particles - Request

Fri Apr 3 06:56:01 PDT 2015

Hi John W

The intent of this line of discussion is to probe more deeply into the structure of the photon and to address polarization entanglement experiments.

A thought and some questions for you John.

First some background.  As I understand it Quantum physics posits a superposition of spin states as a cause for planar polarization. In order to reach a more causal explanation, can we then envision two fields within the photon, spinning opposite directions, and constructively interfering only in a plane, which is dependent on their spin phase? 

Are you familiar with Joy Christian’s work?  He writes that two non-commuting rotations (spin operators) as local variables, exactly duplicate the predictions of Quantum mechanics and satisfy Bell’s inequalities in precisely the same way. I have checked some of the math and so far it seems to be quite accurate. In both of these approaches, two oppositely rotating fields would apparently satisfy these physical aspects of the theories… ???

Christian uses a Clifford algebra to illustrate his theory.  Have you had the chance to compare that with the work you are doing using Clifford algebra to in your new theory of light and matter?  Specifically have you had any opportunity to check to see if two opposite, (non-commuting local) spins caused by your framework would also satisfy Bell’s inequalities? Or CHSH inequalities?

Of course you can see the underlying reasons for these questions.  One underlying reason is to discover if two equal and oppositely spinning fields, confined within the photon, can explain polarization.  In both, quantum physics, and Christian’s theories, it seems that two opposite spins are required, hinting that we would need those two opposite physical spins to be possible in a physical model of the photon.

The other underlying reason is to discover if non-commuting (rotation) local variables can potentially be the cause for the appearance of entanglement.

Thoughts?

Chip

From: General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] On Behalf Of John Williamson
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:42 PM
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My dear Chip,

There is absolutely nothing to apologise about. I should apologise as well, if it comes to that, for singling that thing out (when there is much more in the general discussion we have all been having). It is only through discussion, and seeing what others make of an exposition, that one can find the flaws in ones own presentations. Provided the questioner is serious and thoughtful, and of good will, it is pretty much, for me, the most valuable thing there is!

So thank you for getting the wrong end of the stick there. This particular one (together with Richard going the same way) - has been very valuable to me. The fault lies, if any, in our poor explanation of just what we are talking about - a fault I will try to rectify in future work.

Regards, John.

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From: General [general-bounces+john.williamson=glasgow.ac.uk at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] on behalf of Chip Akins [chipakins at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 11:26 PM
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Hi John W and Martin

I would like to apologize for referring to your model form the 1997 paper as based on a “charge ribbon”.

That was clearly an erroneous oversimplification.  Will change the wording in my discussions and papers to try to avoid misrepresenting.

Your work has been a tremendous inspiration and I do not want to misrepresent it in any way.

Warmest Regards

Chip

From: General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] On Behalf Of John Duffield
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 9:51 AM
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Chip:

It is interesting, isn’t it? Here’s another one:

With a small correction factor Δ related to binding energy, we can say this:

    = 1.60218  × 10-19 Coulombs                                     

ε0 = 8.854187817 x 10-12

4π = 12.56637061

c3 = 26.94400241 x 1024

With no correction for binding energy we can calculate electron charge as: 

√(ε0/4πc3) = √(8.854187817 × 10-12 / 338.5883200×1024)  =  √(2.6150304 × 10-38)  = 1.61710 × 10-19 

This is within 1% of the measured value of 1.60218 × 10-19 Coulombs. 

Regards

John D

From: Chip Akins <mailto:chipakins at gmail.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 2:56 PM

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Subject: Re: [General] Nature of Light and Particles - Request

Hi John D

Interesting stuff about Planck’s constant.

2.42631 × 10-12 m is the physical wavelength of the confined photon in my electron model.

Chip

From: General [mailto:general-bounces+chipakins=gmail.com at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] On Behalf Of John Duffield
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 3:43 AM
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John:

The paper looks interesting. If you wish I’ll get back to you on it properly at a later date. Meanwhile take a look at http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9610066 and at http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/19084/ by a medical doctor called Andrew Worsley. He talks about “harmonic quintessence”, and stuff like this:

Planck units are based on the properties of space. The Planck length is 1.616199×10−35 metres. It’s defined using the speed of light, Planck’s constant of action h, and the gravitational constant G. It can be written (using the reduced Planck’s constant) as ℓP=√(ћG/c³). We can replace √(ћG) with 4πn where n is a suitable value with appropriate dimensionality. The expression 4πn/√c³ still yields the Planck length. But if we now set n to the value 1 whilst retaining its dimensionality, then with a very small correction factor δ related to binding energy, the result is a different length. It is however familiar:  

= 2.42631 × 10-12 metres                

Regards

John D

From: Vivian Robinson <mailto:viv at etpsemra.com.au>  

Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 2:49 AM

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John, 

You are in. I look forward to receiving your contributions to the structure of photons and electrons.

Cheers,

Vivian Robinson

On 01/04/2015, at 9:26 AM, "chandra" <chandra at phys.uconn.edu <mailto:chandra at phys.uconn.edu> > wrote:

Welcome, John M.!

I am glad to see that you are “on board” finally!

Please, feel free to read up the “archived” discussions and present your views using brief quotations to remind the readers the connection to the earlier discussions.

Chandra.

Michael: Please, send out the instructions as to how to access the archived discussions.

From: General [mailto:general- <mailto:bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org> bounces+chandra=phys.uconn.edu at lists.natureoflightandparticles.org] On Behalf Of John Macken
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Subject: [General] Nature of Light and Particles - Request

Hello,

I would like to join the Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion Group.  I am John Macken and I presented a paper titled “Spacetime-based model of EM radiation” at the Nature of Light V conference in 2013.  I have also submitted an abstract to make another presentation at the 2015 conference. 

I am very interested models of the internal structure of an electron and other particles.  I have a paper that will be published next month which deals with particles, fields and forces. A preprint is available at:

 <http://onlyspacetime.com/QM-Foundation.pdf> http://onlyspacetime.com/QM-Foundation.pdf    

I believe that I can make significant contributions to your discussion group. 

Sincerely,

John Macken

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