[General] Conference workshop topics

Sat Mar 28 22:23:51 PDT 2015

Chandra, Andrew, John W, Martin, Vivian, Chip and others

Here is my list of points for the Summary meeting. I am looking for commonalities in our approaches to modeling the electron by a double-looped photon. I hope we can agree on the way that the photon’s energy, frequency and wavelength change in a relativistically moving electron. I’ve explained why I think the charged photon composing the electron should have spin 1/2 hbar at all electron velocities. I’ve numbered the points for ease of reference. I’ve also attached the below notes as a Word file

March 28, 2015

Richard Gauthier: Possible points for Discussion in Summary Meeting –SPIE conference.

A key idea in the following is that a relativistic double-loop-photon electron model (and also a single-loop-photon electron model) has a wavelength of lambda = h/(gamma mc) – as compared with the Compton wavelength h/mc for a resting electron) which leads easily to the de Broglie wavelength h/(gamma mv). I would like to know which other double-looped models of the electron have this feature or not, or how their circulating photon’s frequency and wavelength for a resting electron varies with electron speed.

A second key idea is that the photon composing the electron must have spin ½ hbar both at highly relativistic electron velocities as well as when composing an electron at rest or at low velocities.  Double-loop-photon electron modelers should determine whether their circulating photons can have spin ½ hbar for all electron velocities.

Based on: “The electron is a charged photon with the de Broglie wavelength” article at https://www.academia.edu/10740682/The_Electron_is_a_Charged_Photon_with_the_de_Broglie_Wavelength

*1. Dirac claimed (based on the Dirac equation) that the electron travels at light speed (which is not observable for an electron due to its high frequency and small amplitude) but that the electron’s observable speed is less than light speed.

*2. Analyses of the Dirac equation suggest that the electron’s charge travels helically at light speed (Hestenes, Rivas) with a helical radius at slow speeds of hbar/2mc .

*3. The de Broglie relationship for the total energy of relativistically moving electron is Etotal = gamma mc^2= hf . This suggests (to RG) that the electron is a charged photon with total energy Etotal = gamma mc^2 = hf and  frequency f=gamma mc^2/h . 

*4. The wavelength of this charged photon for a relativistically moving electron is given by L=c/f =h/(gamma mc). This photon wavelength associated with a relativistic electron was apparently overlooked since de Broglie’s  1924 hypothesis of matter-waves having the de Broglie wavelength, which formed the basis of the Schrodinger equation.

*5. A circulating charged photon with this frequency and wavelength could be Dirac’s electron that travels at light speed with a small amplitude and high frequency and whose longitudinal velocity is the measured velocity of the electron. Quantitative modeling of the charged photon’s helical trajectory by RG supports this result.

*6. In this model of the electron, Dirac’s zitterbewegung motion of an electron corresponds to a double-looping of this charged photon’s wavelength around the longitudinal axis of a moving electron (or corresponds to a double-looping of the photon’s wavelength in a circle, for a resting electron.)

*7. The wavelength  h/(gamma mc) of this charged circulating photon  easily yields the de Broglie wavelength of the electron h/(gamma mv) along the longitudinal axis of the circulating photon.

*8. The relativistic energy-momentum equation for an electron E^2 = p^2 c^2 +m^2 c^4 can be transformed into a Pythagorean relationship among the total momentum vector gamma mc of this circulating charged photon, the longitudinal component  of the charged photon’s momentum (which is the momentum p of the moving electron) and the transverse component mc of its momentum which, combined wit the radius hbar/2mc of the helix for a slow moving electron,  yields the spin-up and spin-down states of a slow moving electron.

*9. The radius of the helix of the helically circulating charged photon  corresponding to  an electron is found to decrease as 1/(gamma^2) as the velocity of the electron increases. This result only assumes the photon properties c=Lf , E=hf and p=h/L and that the charged photon moves helically perpendicular to the plane of the motion of a charged photon in a resting electron.

*10. Since an electron at highly relativistic velocities retains the spin ½ hbar that it has at low velocities, the photon that composes the electron must also have spin ½ hbar when the electron is moving highly relativistically, since then  the circulating photon’s helical axis is nearly a straight line, nearly matching the straight-line trajectory of a spin 1 hbar photon. If the charged photon composing the electron is not to change its spin  ½ hbar when the electron is moving non-relativistically or even is at rest, the photon composing the electron must have spin ½ hbar when composing a non-relativistic electron also.

*11.The above summary suggested that the electron, which has previously considered to be a particle with mass and spin ½ hbar and wave-like properties, may be better described as a helically circulating charged photon with spin ½ hbar.    

> On Mar 28, 2015, at 8:52 PM, Andrew Meulenberg <mules333 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Folks,
> 
> The 1st responses (below) indicate the enormity of the task we have before us. They also indicate why individually we can make little impact on the subject. We will have to severely limit ourselves. However, in the process we will have to identify, make, and agree on basic assumptions. This will be almost the same as having a workshop on each of the topics. 
> 
> We will not be able to start at the beginning. However, we can start with the photons and their nature, the topic of this conference series. Much has been discussed and learned over the last decade. Let us try to consolidate that into a foundation. A lot more is known about the electron, but there are still many missing pieces. We are trying to build a bridge between the two structures. Nevertheless, it may be the 'knowns' that will cause us more trouble than the unknowns.
> 
> In building up an outline of the topic possibilities, before we downsize to a manageable few, let us try to expand the subtopics and see where they overlap, and perhaps lead us to fuse some of them.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> The starting list for Conference workshop on 
> “Are electrons oscillating photons or oscillations of the vacuum itself?” 
> 
> From Chip Akins:
> 1.      The nature of time
> 
> 2.      The nature of space
> 
> 3.      The properties and structure for photons.
> 
> 4.      The speed of light
> 
> 5.      The properties and structure of an electron.
> 
> 6.      Confinement of a photon to create an electron
> 
> 7.      Particle Spin
> 
> 8.      Entanglement, Pilot waves, hidden variable theory with non-commuting variables,
> 
> 9.      Pair production, electrons from photons, annihilation, photons from electrons.
> 
> From David Mathes:
> 
> 1. What is the cause of oscillation? 
> 
> 2. What's oscillating in spacetime, vacuum, photon or electron? 
> 
> 3. Is there more than one oscillation? If so, are they nested? 
> 
> 4. How are these oscillations coupled?  Under what conditions are they coupled rather closely, somewhat loosely or not at all? 
> 
> 5. Is there a negative vacuum, and if so, are there quantum numbers for a negative vacuum?
> 
> 6. Under what conditions does impedance vary or better yet, go to zero? 
> 
> 7. Is there a 6D electron? Specifically, does adding 2 or 3 more dimensions make sense?
> 
> 8. How and why does nature create a double loop in the electron models? How do we?
> 
> 9. Does the photon have quantum numbers?
> 
> 10. Are we confined to U(1) electron architectures or should conditioned EM using U(1) X SU(2) X SU3) and higher orders of conditioned photons and electrons be considered?
> 
> 11. Does c, G or h vary in the model?
> 
> 12. What is charge and how do we create charge?
> 
> 13. Is view of the 2013 NIST verification of BEC-zitterbewegung, what further experiments should be proposed?
> http://arxiv.org/pdf/1303.0914.pdf <http://arxiv.org/pdf/1303.0914.pdf>
> 
> A generalized hierarchy approach
> The Void
> Spacetime 
> vacuum (negative to v-0) 
> quanta (may be sub elementary energy)
> photons
> other bosons
> quarks
> electrons
> atoms
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