[General] Grahame note on population

[Wolfgang Baer]

John:

Who can argue with learning and following nature's rules , however two 
thoughts

1) the Malthus catastrophe has always been averted by technology 
breakthrough which improved our ecological nitch

     I see no reason we need to be stuck in the current paradigm , but I 
believe we need to examine the foundations of our physics, philosophy, 
and world view package we have been saddled with during the 20'th 
century. Quantum theory may have helped build some systems, but  it is 
not comprehensible without major ad hoc miracles attached. We need a new 
way of looking at things.

2) Is it possible that our current defeatist attitude regarding 
technology is due to the aging process. WE now have baby boomers 
retiring and they just want a steady as she goes peaceful last years 
with no challenges.

Perhaps we need to wait tll the baby boomer generation has passed?

best

Wolf



Dr. Wolfgang Baer
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On 8/21/2016 11:46 AM, Hodge John wrote:
> Grahame:
> I echo your concern for humanity's future. I suggest Nature (or 
> natural laws) has controlled the overpopulation problems of species 
> and humanity. All we really need to do is determine nature's rules and 
> follow them. Unfortunately society is currently deviating from 
> nature's rules. The result has historically been catastrophic for 
> humanity as noted by Malthus's catastrophe. Our self-control can avert 
> such a catastrophe. Note the Chinese attempt was contrary to Nature's 
> rules. The Chinese slowed the birth of healthy children and supported 
> the growth of sick and infirm children.
>
> A child born with a severe disability is a sink for resources that may 
> be better spent on advancing humanity (healthy children). Ancient 
> societies lacking technology let the disabled die. The Polynesians on 
> their island had a socially accepted way to commit suicide so the 
> island resources would not be over-taxed. I society doesn't accept 
> nature's laws; Nature will kill that society (the weak certainly and 
> many of the strong). Thus the current ongoing collapse of the US (and 
> western society) will continue. Many of the characteristics of 
> collapse of modern society have been present for several decades [pp. 
> 209-216] Tainter,~J.~A., 1990. ``The Collapse of Complex Societies''.
>
> On a larger scale, humanitarianism harms society by other causes of 
> failure. Humanitarianism induces a strong trend toward conformity 
> (being Politically Correct). This is a need to maintain the status quo 
> and to reject advances in science. Historically, societies that stop 
> scientific advance loose wars to societies that bring scientific 
> advances.
>
> <A HREF="http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1093">Growth 
> challenge of the United States</A>
>
>
> This is a criteria and method/rules for developing advances in science:
> <A HREF="http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1757">STOE 
> emergence</A>
>
> Hodge
>
>
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