[General] A composite electron?

[Wolfgang Baer]

Dear Martin:

I've been reading your Kinematical theory and have made some comments 
that I think have been forwarded to you. It is always difficult to learn 
someone else's idea and apeals to greoup theory always give me trouble. 
However the charge mass =separation idea is of great interest to me.

Would your Kinematical theory be able to address the Bohr atom 
Synchotron situation when we assume mass and charge are connected by 
some force that to first approximation can be modeled by a spring.

In the diagram above squares are masses pulled away from their charges 
by inertial forces which depending on ones choice of spring constants 
absorbs energy in the displacements and modifies the orbit. Can this 
problem be solved with your theory? Would there be a modification of the 
hydrogen energy levels and if so would they duplicate the fine structure 
and require the fine structure constant of Sommerfeld?

Many versions of this problem are of interest including equal charge 
mass particles orbiting about each other.

Best wishes

Wolf

Dr. Wolfgang Baer
Research Director
Nascent Systems Inc.
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E-mail wolf at NascentInc.com

On 9/21/2017 2:13 AM, Martin Rivas wrote:
>
> Dear Richard and all,
>
> Concerning the idea of an elementary particle with two separate 
> centers, the center of mass and the center of charge, I suggest the 
> reading of the Preamble of my lecture notes
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299636714_Kinematical_Theory_of_Elementary_Spinning_Particles_Lecture_Notes
>
> where we give different kinds of arguments leading to this 
> possibility. It is important for this possibility the spin dynamical 
> analysis of a particle with two centers. The main conclusion is that a 
> particle with two centers, the center of charge has to be moving at 
> the speed of light and therefore the angular momentum is not 
> quantized. It just has to have a unique value.
>
> Best regards
>
> Martin Rivas
>
> Theoretical Physics Department
>
> University of the Basque Country
>
> Bilbao, Spain
>
> url:tp.lc.ehu.es/martin.htm
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Martin_Rivas3
>
> e-mail: martin.rivas at ehu.eus
>
> Postal Add: Apdo 644, 48080 Bilbao, Spain
>
> *De:*Richard Gauthier [mailto:richgauthier at gmail.com]
> *Enviado el:* jueves, 21 de septiembre de 2017 5:17
> *Para:* Nature of Light and Particles - General Discussion
> *CC:* Andrew Meulenberg; Jean-Luc Paillet; David Hestenes; Martin Rivas
> *Asunto:* Re: [General] A composite electron?
>
> Hello Andrew and all,
>
>   I communicated with David Hestenes three years ago about his zitter 
> electron model, and about the fact that his helical zitter electron 
> model (with helical radius hbar/2mc = Lcompton/4pi gives only a half 
> Bohr Magneton in the classical calculation of magnetic moment. He replied:
>
> "You have given the standard classical calculation, which is off by a 
> factor of 2. But note that classical physics assumes a constant charge 
> to mass ratio. The zitter model requires separation of the center of 
> charge from the center of mass, as discussed, for example, by Rivas 
> http://arxiv.org/abs/1211.3253 "
>
> I have also communicated with Martin Rivas about his 
> separation-of-mass-and-charge electron model. I am copying this e-mail 
> to both of them. Their comments are welcome.
>
>    Richard
>
>     On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Andrew Meulenberg <mules333 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:mules333 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Richard and Albrecht,
>
>     Richard has expressed doubts about Albrecht's 2-body electron and
>     Albrecht probably has reservations about Richard's charged photons.
>
>     I just read a paper ("The dynamical equation of the spinning
>     electron," J. Phys. A, 36, 4703, (2003), and also LANL
>     ArXiv:physis/0112005, along.with some background papers) that
>     Richard has referenced in his: The Dirac Equation and the
>     Superluminal Electron Model
>     (https://richardgauthier.academia.edu/research#papers). I found a
>     concept with which I was previously unfamiliar: the centers of
>     mass and charge being different. If this interesting concept is
>     valid; then it might be possible that the two centers are the
>     'objects' that Albrecht has proposed for his composite electron.
>     It might also apply to the charged photon.
>
>     Has anyone any comments on this concept (or n the author of the
>     paper: Martin Rivas)?
>
>     Andrew M
>
>
>
>
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